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Re: [Exede] $9.99/GB if you want more said by DrStrangLov:Dialup is not broadband, period! Sorry, but on this point, one has bit the dust.
I never said it was.
said by DrStrangLov:Note - Sorry, but streaming media like Netflix does not count for satellite users; hence, higher usage data would assume today that Netflix usage would be counted. Thus, more skewed data that's not relevant on satellite. Just ask any typical Hughes user what happens when Netflix is streamed in HD; as in, you can't see it all.
Sure it counts. The fact that satellite services cap so heavily that users can hardly use it does not make the data using it to calculate the "average" data consumed per month irrelevant to satellite services. You do not need to use HD to watch Netflix. It is just a nice bonus. A bonus that Exede will barely let their users enjoy. HughesNet's new customers will be able to enjoy it though. They may end up only being able to enjoy it during the unlimited period, but that is 5 more hours per day they will have the luxury. Or they will be able to do their downloads during the free period and use their daily usage for Netflix. Exede customers won't be able to do this.
said by DrStrangLov:Check out the lease terms....WB and Telesat are "buddies" when Anik-F2 launched...partners.
Does not matter if they are buddies or not. They do not own Anik-F2, making them no better than HughesNet.
said by DrStrangLov:Uh...that's PR...Public Relations....from an engineer's viewpoint
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There are some posters on here not worth the time of reading or responding to. I just use the ignore feature of the forum (which works quite well I might add).
I feel sorry for all those Exede users that will now have their data caps enforced, stuck for 2 years, AND then have to pay $9.99 to get "unfapped". I am sure the marketing geniuses think that will be a great way to make more money on the service. That is, if people continue to buy the service. |
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said by silbaco:Re: Streaming
Sure it counts.
Very few Exede folks will experience it during normal viewing hours...not a relevant data point for satellite user data usage. Of course, even fewer Hughes folks will experience it, and maybe none for a HD movie during normal viewing hours, for most all folks.
Statistics must be based in reality, not a person's fantasy.
They do not own Anik-F2, making them no better than HughesNet.
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said by OldSatUser:There are some posters on here not worth the time of reading or responding to. I just use the ignore feature of the forum (which works quite well I might add).
I feel sorry for all those Exede users that will now have their data caps enforced, stuck for 2 years, AND then have to pay $9.99 to get "unfapped". I am sure the marketing geniuses think that will be a great way to make more money on the service. That is, if people continue to buy the service.
I never knew that feature existed. I rarely post, but I do a lot of reading. That could come in handy. Thanks for the tip. 
The part that bothers me is the fact that people are already paying a lot of money for Exede. Now they have to pay these steep per GB costs as well. I actually think Exede is a good product. The performance is impressive and it has great potential. But it doesn't matter if people can't afford to use it. |
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| You just click on a poster's name and hit the "ignore" option. Then all of his or her posts are screened out for you!
I agree Exede has potential. I would have already upgraded but because of the price/package levels no way. I think it is ridiculous what they are charging for it. I also think to let people use it unlimited at first was definitely unfair. Get people "hooked" on it with no cap, then slam the cap down and now they are stuck. I think Viasat did this intentionally too....despite their "claims" otherwise.
Just remember, you can have the best product in the world but if it is marketed wrong or isn't properly priced...it will go nowhere.
As of today Exede has to deal with Verizon 4G in some parts of the country. If there is a successful launch of Echostar 17 later today, Exede's competition will get a LOT tougher and I am hoping Hughesnet will deliver a product that will have the price/performance level that people need and deserve. |
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I would have already upgraded but because of the price/package levels no way. .... I am hoping Hughesnet will deliver a product that will have the price/performance level that people need and deserve.
Hughes has traditionally cost more...so good luck, its never been cheaper on satellite until Wildblue came along. Without Wildblue, Hughes would have raised/raised the prices.
As of today Exede has to deal with Verizon 4G in some parts of the country |
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 dbirdmanPremium,MVM
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kudos:5 | said by DrStrangLov:Without Wildblue, Hughes would have raised/raised the prices.
A piece of conjecture on your part that you will have difficulty backing up. |
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| said by dbirdman:A piece of conjecture on your part that you will have difficulty backing up. Simple economics:
1. Transponder rates go up with time
2. Corp CEOs and employees want more money with time
3. Expenses rise with time.
That's what Ka band is all about...bringing down the costs. Spaceway 3 and ViaSat-1 have similiar build out costs, but ViaSat-1 brings about more bang for the buck invested.
Wildblue/ViaSat has been an "incentive" for Hughes to change... |
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dbirdmanPremium,MVM
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kudos:5 | said by DrStrangLov:Wildblue/ViaSat has been an "incentive" for Hughes to change...
Hughes has been in operation more than twice as long as WB. Surely you must be able to find evidence of some pattern of behavior that "changed" when WB came along? No? Hmmm.
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| I was one of the first Hughesnet customers (Direcpc at the time...back in the mid to late 90's I would say). There was no such thing as a FAP or "CAP" in the beginning...lol.
The old Direcpc one way worked great. In fact, in some respects it worked better than the two-way systems. For instance, you only had one-way latency back then.
Not sure when Wildblue/Viasat came along...but I know they were not "first to the party". |
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dbirdmanPremium,MVM
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kudos:5 | WildBlue began service in 2005. Hughes FAP occurred in the late 90s. It has changed many times since then, both in good ways and bad ways, but there is no apparent correlation with WB starting up in terms of when changes have occurred. Both before and after WB there were changes to Hughes FAP that were beneficial to users, and changes that were detrimental. Impossible to find a cause/effect relationship there.
Same is true for rates. They have gone up and down (in a narrow range) both before and after WB began. No cause/effect relationship can be derived, although I have little doubt DrStranglov will try hard to manufacture one. The only out-of-range prices during the Hughes history were caused by the stimulus program, not by a competitor.
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said by dbirdman:Hughes has been in operation more than twice as long as WB
Been more than a few companies with time in the saddle who bit the dust....cause they weren't paying attention to the changing winds of commerce.
What was that about Spaceway F2... News Corp took it you say?? |
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said by dbirdman:but there is no apparent correlation with WB starting up in terms of when changes have occurred.
Having a "competitor" makes no difference...my, my...
And then I hear (hear say) how Hughes is going to undercut Exede with Gen IV.
Competition...makes no difference to Hughes...my, my...btw, do they still have those "free installs, along with "free equipment" deals? |
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dbirdmanPremium,MVM
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kudos:5 | said by DrStrangLov:said by dbirdman:but there is no apparent correlation with WB starting up in terms of when changes have occurred.
Having a "competitor" makes no difference...my, my... And then I hear (hear say) how Hughes is going to undercut Exede with Gen IV. Competition...makes no difference to Hughes...my, my...btw, do they still have those "free installs, along with "free equipment" deals? It is too bad that we can never have a debate moderated and judged under standard debate rules. Changing the topic when your arguments are shot down wouldn't fly. You can try all you want to put words in my mouth, but that will never mean that I said them.
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Dawson Springs, KY | I'm inclined to suggest that DrStrange give us all a break, and redirect his tendency toward dubitable expression - to the Obama campaign.
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said by dbirdman:It is too bad that we can never have a debate moderated and judged under standard debate rules. Puffing smoke on Hughes don't cut it either....Gen IV is a clone of ViaSat-1... Hughes is/was playing catch up...
And if you go back in time....Anik-F2 was not created in a day, and everybody in that business world knew it was coming. Small world.
And lastly, even the trade rags have indicated Hughes was second string with ViaSat's vision. |
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where in the hell are the business packages at?!? I've yet to see any business related packages from ViaSat.
they claimed they were marketing towards news agencies, etc. to give them this huge data pipe to get their stories back to HQ.
they have video of their portable SB terminals for military uses and the like and SB PRO 2 terminals that are for businesses.
Instead they roll this draconian information out and stick it to their residential customers???
what are these money junkie a$$hats smoking??? why are they building data packages that look like AT&T?? |
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said by OldSatUser:As of today Exede has to deal with Verizon 4G in some parts of the country. Well now, it appears that 4G consumers may experience extra latency.
Hughes Network Systems... Lose That Latency
[SatNews] Hughes Network Systems, LLC (Hughes) has successfully demo'd wireless 4G/Long Term Evolution (LTE) transmissions over satellite backhaul...
»www.satnews.com/cgi-bin/story.cg···54481611 |
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2 edits | said by DrStrangLov:said by OldSatUser:As of today Exede has to deal with Verizon 4G in some parts of the country. Well now, it appears that 4G consumers may experience extra latency. Hughes Network Systems... Lose That Latency[SatNews] Hughes Network Systems, LLC (Hughes) has successfully demo'd wireless 4G/Long Term Evolution (LTE) transmissions over satellite backhaul... » www.satnews.com/cgi-bin/story.cg···54481611 And then again that may never and likely will never be anything other than experimental. VoLTE would perform horribly over satellite and VoLTE is the future. Network operators are not going to throw their future down the drain.
Edit: The article talks about military and public safety use, such as for emergencies. Not everyday use. Your post is irrelevant, again.
said by DrStrangLov:Very few Exede folks will experience it during normal viewing hours...not a relevant data point for satellite user data usage. Of course, even fewer Hughes folks will experience it, and maybe none for a HD movie during normal viewing hours, for most all folks.
Statistics must be based in reality, not a person's fantasy.
And why is it that very few Exede folks will experience Netflix? Is it because they are too stupid to know what it is or because their service provider restricts their usage so greatly that they can't afford it? I am thinking the later of those two. And since it the later of those two, that makes Netflix data usage entirely relevant. You can't just deem it as bandwidth intensive and throw out the statistics. |
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