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davidpaj

join:2002-04-22

Major help please

Today around noon some users couldn't surf, not all, just some. I could ping there CPE's login, everything looked fine. The users that couldn't surf, unplugged there routers and ran direct from CPE to PC, they are now back online. What would cause this?

Rebooting/resetting there router didn't bring the routers back up, but they can all now surf if plugged directly into PC.

wirelessdog

join:2008-07-15
Queen Anne, MD
kudos:1

Are you running DHCP?


davidpaj

join:2002-04-22

Yes I am running dhcp


jcremin

join:2009-12-22
Siren, WI
kudos:2

reply to davidpaj
Are there any similarities between the customers? Same type of cpe or router?


wirelessdog

join:2008-07-15
Queen Anne, MD
kudos:1

reply to davidpaj
Sounds like maybe their DHCP lease expired and the routers weren't trying to pull one. Have you changed your DHCP subnet recently?


davidpaj

join:2002-04-22

I've not changed DHCP settings in ages... I can however connect and reconnect multiple test machines, I get an IP and surf fine, would you say bad customer routers? So far all dlink 655's


gunther_01
Premium
join:2004-03-29
Saybrook, IL

reply to davidpaj
Have you tried the actuall Unplug power to radio, and router, wait 5 min, then plug in radio, wait 2min, then plug in router, wait 1 min?

It kind of depends if you are using the CPE in router mode with DHCP or bridging client pc/router back to a head end a bit. Either way, it does look like a DHCP issue. If it's at your tower, try and reboot that as well.

We see areas that have problems after a small or large spread power outage. Normally the above will fix it pretty quick. I really wouldn't think you would see widespread router failures at the same time of day, unless they have NTP that somehow messed up in relation to time for some reason.
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dmburgess

join:2006-09-12
House Springs, MO

reply to davidpaj
Could be a Rouge DCHP Server handing out improper information.



Inssomniak
The Glitch
Premium
join:2005-04-06
Cayuga, ON
kudos:1

said by dmburgess:

Could be a Rouge DCHP Server handing out improper information.

+1
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dmburgess

join:2006-09-12
House Springs, MO

reply to davidpaj
Should always have proper client isolation!


davidpaj

join:2002-04-22

Okay, here's an issue, the clients ARE getting my dhcp server. With that said, they can load one site and no more. (the first one they visit) ideas?



Inssomniak
The Glitch
Premium
join:2005-04-06
Cayuga, ON
kudos:1

reply to dmburgess
Post pings and trace routes to sites they can't load. DNS issue? Duplicate IPs?
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davidpaj

join:2002-04-22

Once they load the initial site they can't even resolve anymore, gotta be dns doesn't it?



dmburgess

join:2006-09-12
House Springs, MO

reply to davidpaj
Go though basic troubleshooting. sI'm sure the problem will be apparent.


linuxabuser

join:2012-03-07

reply to davidpaj
Any MTU issues? Which site are you having them load first?


davidpaj

join:2002-04-22

Any site they load.. local news, mine, yahoo msn, etc, it loads the first one, and as long as they stay within that site life is good, go outside, no load.



Rhaas
Premium
join:2005-12-19
Bernie, MO

reply to davidpaj
You're going to have to pick a point and work towards the other end. I would go onsite with an affected customer and start basic troubleshooting.

Run traceroutes and ping each device along the chain until you can find the break.

You may have a bad customer router out there that is answering all the arp requests it sees. Look at the ARP table of you access points, switches and routers and see if a single mac has a bunch of entries for different IP's.

I assume that your radio's are bridges. Since you said that taking the customer router out of line and going directly to the computer makes things function. If so, you are changing the MAC address that your network is seeing. Which is why I am leaning towards a possible ARP issue.

A rouge DHCP server (Or duplicate IP) could appear to have the same issues, especially if its IP address is the same as your network segments default gateway IP.
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jcremin

join:2009-12-22
Siren, WI
kudos:2

reply to davidpaj
Since you said that they can load one page, have them try loading www.whatismyip.com and make sure it is responding with an IP address on your network. If it isn't, you've got a serious issue with someone else capturing your customer's traffic with a rogue DHCP server.


davidpaj

join:2002-04-22

reply to Rhaas
Okay, here's an update. I changed the DNS servers clients were getting and so far it seems to be working. What does this mean? Also, my AP's only have my address when I'm logged into them in the ARP table, is this good or bad?



Rhaas
Premium
join:2005-12-19
Bernie, MO

said by davidpaj:

Okay, here's an update. I changed the DNS servers clients were getting and so far it seems to be working. What does this mean? Also, my AP's only have my address when I'm logged into them in the ARP table, is this good or bad?

Are you using an external DNS server and not your own? If so what are you using?

It is alright to see that if your AP's are bridges.
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