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09129800

join:2012-06-27
New York, NY
reply to dbeatson

Re: 45MB Internet on 55MB Bonded Profile?

said by dbeatson:

It was also mentioned that AT&T has set an internal goal to be able to launch a 100MB service in 2 years to compete with Cable, this is possible with improvements with bonded pairs and vectoring, but like any goal this could get delayed or just never happen with the current infrastructure, but it does appear to be something they are thinking about and working on in the labs.

Want to know how AT&T can compete with cable? DROP THE FUCKING BANDWIDTH CAPS.

Even if AT&T offered 10 Mbps that would still be an improvement over Comcrap with their 100 Mbps speed tier that has a 250 GB bandwidth cap. I'd take uncapped AT&T over capped cable any day, but apparently the numbskulls over at AT&T are too thick to get that.


Metatron2008
Premium
join:2008-09-02
united state
Its 100 with a currently unnamed cap. Caps for lower tiers are now 300. Keep with the times.

WhyMe420
Premium
join:2009-04-06
kudos:1
reply to 09129800
Agreed! My only other option here is Charter but the thing that's kept me with U-verse is the lack of caps. 24/3 uncapped beats gigabit with caps IMO... At least I can actually use my connectioin! If AT&T starts enforcing the caps I'll probably be getting Charter as even though they're both capped Charter has faster speeds and bigger than 250GB caps...


SomeJoe7777

join:2010-03-30
Houston, TX
kudos:7
reply to maartena
said by maartena:

Also, I am pretty sure the max rate doesn't say anything about stability.... I have heard some people here say that even though the number may be that high, the error correction needed on the distance you are at might not make it possible to get even close to that.

Too low of a max rate for the chosen profile will guarantee that the line will be unstable. So the max rate definitely says something about the line stability. Just not everything.

Error correction overhead (in terms of the raw bandwidth) is constant for AT&T's VDSL scheme, regardless of distance. Obviously on noisy lines, the error correction is more active, but no additional bandwidth is used.

etaadmin

join:2002-01-17
Dallas, TX
kudos:1
reply to 09129800
said by 09129800:

said by dbeatson:

It was also mentioned that AT&T has set an internal goal to be able to launch a 100MB service in 2 years to compete with Cable, this is possible with improvements with bonded pairs and vectoring, but like any goal this could get delayed or just never happen with the current infrastructure, but it does appear to be something they are thinking about and working on in the labs.

Want to know how AT&T can compete with cable? DROP THE FUCKING BANDWIDTH CAPS.

Even if AT&T offered 10 Mbps that would still be an improvement over Comcrap with their 100 Mbps speed tier that has a 250 GB bandwidth cap. I'd take uncapped AT&T over capped cable any day, but apparently the numbskulls over at AT&T are too thick to get that.

They are not as dumb as you think they are, AT&T's cap meters are 'broken' for a reason. AT&T a company with the largest and fastest network in the universe and with super fast internet plans for the next two decades can't get a dumb usage meter working?

There is a reason for that and it has to do with de-sensitize consumers and 'educate' them to the idea of a global metered internet. Comcast made an interesting move by 'revising' their cap policy... basically they are not enforcing them like they did before »venturebeat.com/2012/05/17/comca···ta-caps/

TWC did something very interesting too by making the caps optional on the lower tiers and not having them on the high speed tiers »arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012···billing/

AT&T's broken usage cap meter? I don't think so, they just want you to get used to the idea of having them around and when the time is right... we have good news for our uverse users, your AT&T usage meter is now fixed you can track your usage by clicking the link at the end of this email.


maartena
Elmo
Premium
join:2002-05-10
Orange, CA
kudos:3
reply to dbeatson
What I really want to know from e.g. Merlin or another AT&T person:

What is this puppy going to cost once it is live?
--
"I reject your reality and substitute my own!"


09129800

join:2012-06-27
New York, NY
There is no way that it will cost less than $90 a month.

They might keep it at $95, $4 cheaper than Time Warner's 50 Mbps tier, since it will be 5 Mbps slower... then they'll sneak in that $4 modem rental to bring it up to $99 so it costs the same as the competition while delivering less. That's the AT&T way.

WhyMe420
Premium
join:2009-04-06
kudos:1
That's how AT&T "Rethinks Possible" lol...

StLCardsFan

join:2011-06-06
Lafayette, LA
Reviews:
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reply to etaadmin
said by etaadmin:

AT&T a company with the largest and fastest network in the universe and with super fast internet plans

dude .... Ill let you get by with a lot of the bullshit you say ..but LULZ. Personal feelings and wanting things to be true doesn't mean they are ..and in this case they absolutely are not. Whether you are talking about long-haul fiber, business service, or in this case home service ... i mean wow.

When you say super-fast internet plans ... compared to what ... ATT uverse vdsl v. ATT ADSL? How about the largest and fastest network on the planet? Really? HEH. I dunno man ..i think with the "largest and fastest" people like Google, Amazon, Netflix, Hulu, Yahoo, ect ..would have their equipment housed in DC's using ATT pipes ...oh yeah they don't.

So come back with some real data that shows ATT has the largest fastest network on the planet with super-fast internet speeds... otherwise...its BS. Remember your opinions based on brainwashing sheeple commercials don't count.

BiggA

join:2005-11-23
EARTH
reply to dbeatson
That's interesting. So is it a 4-conductor cable plugging into one jack on the back of the device? Or two phone cables? That would likely require minor re-wiring in some buildings that aren't set up for dual phone lines...

Competing with cable... what a joke. Once cable gets their stuff figured out with upload, it will simply blow U-Verse out of the water.

etaadmin

join:2002-01-17
Dallas, TX
kudos:1
reply to StLCardsFan
said by StLCardsFan:

said by etaadmin:

AT&T a company with the largest and fastest network in the universe and with super fast internet plans

dude .... Ill let you get by with a lot of the bullshit you say ..but LULZ. Personal feelings and wanting things to be true doesn't mean they are ..and in this case they absolutely are not. Whether you are talking about long-haul fiber, business service, or in this case home service ... i mean wow.

When you say super-fast internet plans ... compared to what ... ATT uverse vdsl v. ATT ADSL? How about the largest and fastest network on the planet? Really? HEH. I dunno man ..i think with the "largest and fastest" people like Google, Amazon, Netflix, Hulu, Yahoo, ect ..would have their equipment housed in DC's using ATT pipes ...oh yeah they don't.

So come back with some real data that shows ATT has the largest fastest network on the planet with super-fast internet speeds... otherwise...its BS. Remember your opinions based on brainwashing sheeple commercials don't count.

You failed to note that my comment was meant as a sarcasm.

StLCardsFan

join:2011-06-06
Lafayette, LA
ohhh ... well that makes sense then! my bad!

Ummm

join:2011-10-26
united state
reply to maartena
said by maartena:

What I really want to know from e.g. Merlin or another AT&T person:

What is this puppy going to cost once it is live?



Pricing is up in the air, it depends on competition. Expect a very slow rollout when it launches. This profile works great in the lab, but lousy in real world conditions.

Zoder

join:2002-04-16
Miami, FL
Well in the NE Comcast will be making the Blast tier which runs around $59 50 mbps. The $100 Extreme 50 tier is going to become 105 mbps.

Meanwhile at&t charges $63 for the 24/3 tier

BiggA

join:2005-11-23
EARTH
It depends on the area. Some areas are Comcast, some aren't. New London, CT is on Metrocast, which tops out at a lousy 25/2. Other areas are Charter or Cox.

Zoder

join:2002-04-16
Miami, FL
I felt that was obvious but yes, it would only be in Comcast terriories in the NE

WhyMe420
Premium
join:2009-04-06
kudos:1
reply to dbeatson
I don't understand why anyone even bothers to mention how faster speeds are available and/or cheaper than AT&T's offering when those services are capped. What's the point in having 50Mbps if you can only use it 1.6% of the month?


oneoone

join:2010-01-20
Lagrange, GA
kudos:1
reply to dbeatson
Have charter 100meg, never been capped.

WhyMe420
Premium
join:2009-04-06
kudos:1
reply to dbeatson
Tell me that when you go over 500GB (that's up + down) every month...

Merlin

join:2012-06-08
Dallas, TX
reply to Ummm
said by StLCardsFan:

dude .... Ill let you get by with a lot of the bullshit you say ..but LULZ. Personal feelings and wanting things to be true doesn't mean they are ..and in this case they absolutely are not. Whether you are talking about long-haul fiber, business service, or in this case home service ... i mean wow.

When you say super-fast internet plans ... compared to what ... ATT uverse vdsl v. ATT ADSL? How about the largest and fastest network on the planet? Really? HEH. I dunno man ..i think with the "largest and fastest" people like Google, Amazon, Netflix, Hulu, Yahoo, ect ..would have their equipment housed in DC's using ATT pipes ...oh yeah they don't.

So come back with some real data that shows ATT has the largest fastest network on the planet with super-fast internet speeds... otherwise...its BS. Remember your opinions based on brainwashing sheeple commercials don't count.

I guess it doesn't resonate with you that a global network includes much more than just the Internet. AT&T is the largest telecommunications network in the world and has almost 1M route miles of fiber deployed around the globe. The new 40Gbps MPLS network in the US went online last month and is the first of it's kind domestically. Google, Amazon, Netflix and all of those other content providers purchase some or most of their network assets from carriers like AT&T. They are not tier 1 global networks.

said by Ummm:

Pricing is up in the air, it depends on competition. Expect a very slow rollout when it launches. This profile works great in the lab, but lousy in real world conditions.

Your comments on the pricing would be accurate but your comments on the profile couldn't be further from the truth.

ConstantineM

join:2011-09-02
San Jose, CA

at&t is already deep at the bottom of tier 1 networks

said by Merlin:

I guess it doesn't resonate with you that a global network includes much more than just the Internet. AT&T is the largest telecommunications network in the world and has almost 1M route miles of fiber deployed around the globe. The new 40Gbps MPLS network in the US went online last month and is the first of it's kind domestically. Google, Amazon, Netflix and all of those other content providers purchase some or most of their network assets from carriers like AT&T. They are not tier 1 global networks.

What an utter bullshit. AT&T becomes more irrelevant in the international arena day after day.

»www.renesys.com/blog/2012/02/a-b···on.shtml

Continue offering your pathetic 18/1.5 when your competitors are pushing 75/35 in the same price range and over the same technologies for home users, and continue pushing consumer-grade non-business 2Wire crap for small businesses, and see how long it'll be until you are no longer included in any Tier 1 graphs whatsoever. AT&T is already positioned towards the bottom as is, and that study above with the graph is for 2011, and it's only going down. From the third cluster graph, you can notice that T was on par with VZ in 2011-01; not anymore at all in 2012-01; VZ went slightly up, T surely plummeted significantly down! T is no longer in top 10 as of 2012-01!

Yes, content providers purchase network assets from carriers like AT&T [used to be], that one I give you is correct. But not from AT&T, and that's a fact, look at the bloody graphs, AT&T becomes more and more irrelevant day after day.

Zoder

join:2002-04-16
Miami, FL
reply to Merlin

Re: 45MB Internet on 55MB Bonded Profile?

said by Merlin:

The new 40Gbps MPLS network in the US went online last month and is the first of it's kind domestically. Google, Amazon, Netflix and all of those other content providers purchase some or most of their network assets from carriers like AT&T. They are not tier 1 global networks.

I believe you but it's funny considering the corporate line that these companies don't pay at&t their fair share for bandwidth.

WhyMe420, certainly if you use that much a month you have to take the caps into account. FWIW we now have Charter announcing the following

"According to Charter, the standard 30 meg service will cost $50 a month, while their Ultra 100 will be an additional $60. The move does appear to be frustrating some of the users in our forums who were happy with slower speeds and slightly lower bills and say they don't need 30 Mbps."

Hopefully these actions by multiple competitors will start to have an effect on at&t's pricing.

BiggA

join:2005-11-23
EARTH
reply to ConstantineM

Re: at&t is already deep at the bottom of tier 1 networks

You're confusing two things. They are a MASSIVE global backbone provider.

They also suck at last-mile. With that kind of bandwidth on the backbone, they should be able to deliver 1gbps to every home and apartment in their service area. But they don't.

Merlin

join:2012-06-08
Dallas, TX
reply to ConstantineM
said by ConstantineM:

What an utter bullshit. AT&T becomes more irrelevant in the international arena day after day.

»www.renesys.com/blog/2012/02/a-b···on.shtml

I don't really care about an Internet traffic report. That just means that AT&T is providing more wholesale backbone assets to other providers. Just because AT&T doesn't provide it at layer 3 doesn't mean they are providing it as raw backbone to those carriers.

»money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/···ies/157/

»money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/···ll_list/

This is called scoreboard. If the 11th largest company in the US and 30th largest in the world (both TOPS in telecommunications) is irrelevant, then you need medical attention.

said by ConstantineM:

Continue offering your pathetic 18/1.5 when your competitors are pushing 75/35 in the same price range and over the same technologies for home users, and continue pushing consumer-grade non-business 2Wire crap for small businesses, and see how long it'll be until you are no longer included in any Tier 1 graphs whatsoever. AT&T is already positioned towards the bottom as is, and that study above with the graph is for 2011, and it's only going down. From the third cluster graph, you can notice that T was on par with VZ in 2011-01; not anymore at all in 2012-01; VZ went slightly up, T surely plummeted significantly down! T is no longer in top 10 as of 2012-01!

To not be in the top 10, it sure does look like AT&T is number one on the Fortune 500 lists I referenced above. They must be wrong because some Internet forum blowhard says it isn't so

said by ConstantineM:

Yes, content providers purchase network assets from carriers like AT&T [used to be], that one I give you is correct. But not from AT&T, and that's a fact, look at the bloody graphs, AT&T becomes more and more irrelevant day after day.

I'm pretty sure the content providers are purchasing network assets from AT&T today and will continue to do so as they operate the largest global network in the world.

This irrelevant word you keep using. I do not think you know what it means.

doubleohwhat

join:2008-10-25
Birmingham, AL
Merlin, do you happen to know what kind of equipment this new profile will require? I've heard that it will require an iNID outside and I've also heard that it will require a new indoor gateway that will handle the pair bonding. I'm curious which one of those is correct (if either).


Metatron2008
Premium
join:2008-09-02
united state
So basically Merlins argument is:

'We have the fastest network in the world just google it' (Which is funny because that only links to Merlins comment..), or

'We'll have faster speeds soon' then when pressed to give facts or shown facts:

'We have the most money neener neener!'

Why is anyone listening to this obtuse hyperbole from this at&t worker/fanboy/shareholder? He has been high on at&t praise and hasn't provided any real facts on pretty much anything.

WhyMe420
Premium
join:2009-04-06
kudos:1

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reply to dbeatson

Re: 45MB Internet on 55MB Bonded Profile?

Wow, only on page 3 and this thread is already a pissing match, which is ultimately what got the last "45Mb" thread closed.
Expand your moderator at work


mackey
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join:2007-08-20
kudos:12

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reply to Anon

Re: 45MB Internet on 55MB Bonded Profile?

said by Merlin:

The only reason AT&T is on those lists is because of their wireless division. A company can still make money in one sector while becoming irrelevant in a different sector. AT&T as a whole isn't going anywhere, but they are quickly becoming irrelevant as a last-mile wireline provider.

Want the absolute cheapest connection no matter how slow the speed? Go with AT&T, the budget provider.
Want the fastest connection offered at a reasonable price for said speed? Go with almost everyone else.

/M