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ConstantineM

join:2011-09-02
San Jose, CA
reply to Merlin

at&t is already deep at the bottom of tier 1 networks

said by Merlin:

I guess it doesn't resonate with you that a global network includes much more than just the Internet. AT&T is the largest telecommunications network in the world and has almost 1M route miles of fiber deployed around the globe. The new 40Gbps MPLS network in the US went online last month and is the first of it's kind domestically. Google, Amazon, Netflix and all of those other content providers purchase some or most of their network assets from carriers like AT&T. They are not tier 1 global networks.

What an utter bullshit. AT&T becomes more irrelevant in the international arena day after day.

»www.renesys.com/blog/2012/02/a-b···on.shtml

Continue offering your pathetic 18/1.5 when your competitors are pushing 75/35 in the same price range and over the same technologies for home users, and continue pushing consumer-grade non-business 2Wire crap for small businesses, and see how long it'll be until you are no longer included in any Tier 1 graphs whatsoever. AT&T is already positioned towards the bottom as is, and that study above with the graph is for 2011, and it's only going down. From the third cluster graph, you can notice that T was on par with VZ in 2011-01; not anymore at all in 2012-01; VZ went slightly up, T surely plummeted significantly down! T is no longer in top 10 as of 2012-01!

Yes, content providers purchase network assets from carriers like AT&T [used to be], that one I give you is correct. But not from AT&T, and that's a fact, look at the bloody graphs, AT&T becomes more and more irrelevant day after day.

Zoder

join:2002-04-16
Miami, FL
reply to Merlin

Re: 45MB Internet on 55MB Bonded Profile?

said by Merlin:

The new 40Gbps MPLS network in the US went online last month and is the first of it's kind domestically. Google, Amazon, Netflix and all of those other content providers purchase some or most of their network assets from carriers like AT&T. They are not tier 1 global networks.

I believe you but it's funny considering the corporate line that these companies don't pay at&t their fair share for bandwidth.

WhyMe420, certainly if you use that much a month you have to take the caps into account. FWIW we now have Charter announcing the following

"According to Charter, the standard 30 meg service will cost $50 a month, while their Ultra 100 will be an additional $60. The move does appear to be frustrating some of the users in our forums who were happy with slower speeds and slightly lower bills and say they don't need 30 Mbps."

Hopefully these actions by multiple competitors will start to have an effect on at&t's pricing.

BiggA

join:2005-11-23
EARTH
reply to ConstantineM

Re: at&t is already deep at the bottom of tier 1 networks

You're confusing two things. They are a MASSIVE global backbone provider.

They also suck at last-mile. With that kind of bandwidth on the backbone, they should be able to deliver 1gbps to every home and apartment in their service area. But they don't.


Merlin

join:2012-06-08
Dallas, TX
reply to ConstantineM

said by ConstantineM:

What an utter bullshit. AT&T becomes more irrelevant in the international arena day after day.

»www.renesys.com/blog/2012/02/a-b···on.shtml

I don't really care about an Internet traffic report. That just means that AT&T is providing more wholesale backbone assets to other providers. Just because AT&T doesn't provide it at layer 3 doesn't mean they are providing it as raw backbone to those carriers.

»money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/···ies/157/

»money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/···ll_list/

This is called scoreboard. If the 11th largest company in the US and 30th largest in the world (both TOPS in telecommunications) is irrelevant, then you need medical attention.

said by ConstantineM:

Continue offering your pathetic 18/1.5 when your competitors are pushing 75/35 in the same price range and over the same technologies for home users, and continue pushing consumer-grade non-business 2Wire crap for small businesses, and see how long it'll be until you are no longer included in any Tier 1 graphs whatsoever. AT&T is already positioned towards the bottom as is, and that study above with the graph is for 2011, and it's only going down. From the third cluster graph, you can notice that T was on par with VZ in 2011-01; not anymore at all in 2012-01; VZ went slightly up, T surely plummeted significantly down! T is no longer in top 10 as of 2012-01!

To not be in the top 10, it sure does look like AT&T is number one on the Fortune 500 lists I referenced above. They must be wrong because some Internet forum blowhard says it isn't so

said by ConstantineM:

Yes, content providers purchase network assets from carriers like AT&T [used to be], that one I give you is correct. But not from AT&T, and that's a fact, look at the bloody graphs, AT&T becomes more and more irrelevant day after day.

I'm pretty sure the content providers are purchasing network assets from AT&T today and will continue to do so as they operate the largest global network in the world.

This irrelevant word you keep using. I do not think you know what it means.

doubleohwhat

join:2008-10-25
Birmingham, AL

Merlin, do you happen to know what kind of equipment this new profile will require? I've heard that it will require an iNID outside and I've also heard that it will require a new indoor gateway that will handle the pair bonding. I'm curious which one of those is correct (if either).



Metatron2008
Premium
join:2008-09-02
united state

So basically Merlins argument is:

'We have the fastest network in the world just google it' (Which is funny because that only links to Merlins comment..), or

'We'll have faster speeds soon' then when pressed to give facts or shown facts:

'We have the most money neener neener!'

Why is anyone listening to this obtuse hyperbole from this at&t worker/fanboy/shareholder? He has been high on at&t praise and hasn't provided any real facts on pretty much anything.


WhyMe420
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join:2009-04-06
kudos:1

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reply to dbeatson

Re: 45MB Internet on 55MB Bonded Profile?

Wow, only on page 3 and this thread is already a pissing match, which is ultimately what got the last "45Mb" thread closed.

Expand your moderator at work


mackey
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join:2007-08-20
kudos:10

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reply to Anon

Re: 45MB Internet on 55MB Bonded Profile?

said by Merlin:

The only reason AT&T is on those lists is because of their wireless division. A company can still make money in one sector while becoming irrelevant in a different sector. AT&T as a whole isn't going anywhere, but they are quickly becoming irrelevant as a last-mile wireline provider.

Want the absolute cheapest connection no matter how slow the speed? Go with AT&T, the budget provider.
Want the fastest connection offered at a reasonable price for said speed? Go with almost everyone else.

/M
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WhyMe420
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reply to dbeatson

Re: 45MB Internet on 55MB Bonded Profile?

Personally, I couldn't care less about these arguments about how large AT&T is, seeing as this thread is about the "45Mb Internet," NOT "How large is AT&T? Do you thing AT&T should have FTTH? Are there better options out there than U-verse?"

I am interested in whether or not this "45Mb Internet" is going to be a reality, but really, there's not a whole lot to discuss about it because nobody really knows what AT&T's plans are.



fakarooz

@sbcglobal.net
reply to dbeatson

Okay if Merlin isn't going to tell everyone of the new service tier, I'll tell everyone of the new hardware that is going to be rolling out in tandem to the 45Meg profile. The new RG is going to have 802.11N with both 2.4 and 5Ghz bands, gigabit ethernet. You will no longer need that little access point for a wireless receiver, instead a dedicated WAP is on board this device. This RG will also support pair bonding so that an iNID is no longer required. There will also be a 500GB hard drive inside the RG which will be used for storing your recorded content. I believe Pace will be producing this box.



Chris 313
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said by fakarooz :

Okay if Merlin isn't going to tell everyone of the new service tier, I'll tell everyone of the new hardware that is going to be rolling out in tandem to the 45Meg profile. The new RG is going to have 802.11N with both 2.4 and 5Ghz bands, gigabit ethernet. You will no longer need that little access point for a wireless receiver, instead a dedicated WAP is on board this device. This RG will also support pair bonding so that an iNID is no longer required. There will also be a 500GB hard drive inside the RG which will be used for storing your recorded content. I believe Pace will be producing this box.

So what? No more Cisco DVR boxes? Or is the HDD in the RG used as a backup source if your DVR goes bad?


David
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reply to dbeatson

man, I read all the pages. You guys and speculation are about as bad as craig moffet. I could "speculate" all afternoon, but I won't waste my time till I see "results." So why don't we just discuss the option at hand about the higher speeds? Assuming it is reasonably priced and such why not?


dragonman300

join:2011-03-02
Anaheim, CA
reply to fakarooz

Seem interesting. Hope it wont be BIGGER than their previous generations 0__o



David
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join:2002-05-30
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Well assuming they install a 1.5 to 3 TB hard disk, you are looking at as least an inch on the height for sure and cooling. my DroboFS is as least a foot tall, but that box sure is cramped for room!


BiggA

join:2005-11-23
EARTH
reply to fakarooz

Great. More and more reason I like cable. I can own my modem, get whatever router and wireless I want, build my own DVR with Windows 7, install my own tuners, as many of them as I want, and split and maintain the entire system myself.

At least with FIOS you get coax for TV and Ethernet for internet, and you can do with it what you want from there with your own router and cablecard devices. Here you're forced to use carrier-supplied equipment, which just sucks.


WhyMe420
Premium
join:2009-04-06
kudos:1

Perhaps you would like your cable co's forum better as well?

»Comcast HSI

There, you guys can discuss your DMCA notices and 250GB caps.

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