 SwedishRiderRider on the StormPremium join:2006-01-11 Connecticut kudos:1 | reply to Draiman
Re: Garden Tractors: Husqvarna, Cub Cadet, John Deere.. Others? said by Draiman:In the price point you want a machine JD is the was to go. If you were planning to buy anything under $3,000 CC is the way to go. What are your thoughts on the $3Kish price point with the Husqvarna tractors? |
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1 edit | reply to SwedishRider said by SwedishRider:said by nunya:I would look at the following brands ZTR mowers: #1 Husqvarna, #2 Cub Cadet, #3 Snapper Personally, I will probably get a "walk behind" with a Velke sulky (stand) next time. Probably an Exmark or Toro. The only problem with those zero turning radius mowers is that I am on a really steep hill with lots of divots and unusual obstacles... Everywhere I've read, the ZTR mowers are not designed for that type of terrain. They are best when used on flat areas. Given my application I figure a lower end garden tractor is a good fit- but you are absolutely right that 99% of the time it will be used to cut grass. If you have some really steep hills the one thing you NEED is a 'locking differential' on the machine. We also have a moderatly steep hill. We tried a $2,000 machine and it took the dealer 4 tries to get up the hill. It was an ideal day with dry ground/grass also. If the ground/grass was wet the mower wouldn't have made it up the hill at all. The dealer said a 'locking differential' will have no issues with the hill. For me that moved the price up to $3,500-4,000 and it wasn't worth it to me. Instead I went with a wide-area walk-behind like the pros use. My local dealer also carries Husqvarna and I asked about the yth24v48ls and he said it would work for me but longevity would be like 5 years. He'd sell me one if I wanted it but strongly recommended a wide-area walk-behind instead. I'm sure you can get a nice wide-area walk-behind with sulky for a lot cheaper then a X500. Same speed and cut wide also. |
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 mattmagPremium,ExMod 2000-03 join:2000-04-09 NW Illinois kudos:3 | reply to SwedishRider Well I'm apparently in the minority, but I would highly recommend a Simplicity tractor.
I have used various models for many years, and they are excellent machines that are well-built and produce a beautifully manicured look to your yard. My first was a Sovereign, then two different Landlord DLX models. I['d like to make another move up now that I am mowing much more yard where we live now, and for sure it will be another Simplicity, perhaps a Legacy if I can swing it.
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| said by mattmag:Well I'm apparently in the minority, but I would highly recommend a Simplicity tractor.
I have used various models for many years, and they are excellent machines that are well-built and produce a beautifully manicured look to your yard. My first was a Sovereign, then two different Landlord DLX models. I['d like to make another move up now that I am mowing much more yard where we live now, and for sure it will be another Simplicity, perhaps a Legacy if I can swing it.
»www.simplicitymfg.com/products/y···gacy-xl/ Simplicity is a great machine. I own a Simplicity wood chipper. The problem is they come with a great price barrier as well. $9,000+ for the model you linked. That's about double what the OP wants to spend on a machine. Personally I could hire someone to do my lawn for 12-15 years with that amount of cash. For the price that locking diff Husqvarna yth24v48ls is a steal at $2,900 for the OP if a riding mower is the preferred method of mowing. |
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 FronkmanAn Apple a day keeps the doctor awayPremium join:2003-06-23 Saint Louis, MO | reply to nunya said by nunya:Commercial walk behinds and ZTR riders are ideal for steep landscapes. Why do you think the professionals use them?
Ride on tractors are actually quite dangerous on steep grades. I agree about the tractors but I think the ZTR riders are just as dangerous.
When I was a kid, there was a landscaping guy that was killed down the street from my parent's house when the ZTR flipped over and pinned him to the ground. Unfortunately for him, he was mowing grass on a steep hill next to a pond and was pinned underwater.
I would suggest a well-made self propelled walk-behind. I am surprised no one has mentioned Honda. They sure are expensive but my parents still use their 25-year old mower and my 8 year old one works like it was new. -- Everyone should own a Mac! Go Bucks! |
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This is the type of mower I picked up based on my dealers recommendation due to my steep hill. I ended up getting a 32" cut so the mower could get into more spots and eliminate the need for me to use a string trimmer or 21" mower to get the spots the mowers couldn't reach.
The pictured unit is a Ariens Pro Zoom (48") 16HP Kawasaki Commercial Lawn Mower which runs $3,399 and a sulky is another $200. The sulky is the thing that hooks to the back and pulls you that you stand on. »www.mowersdirect.com/Ariens-9888···689.html
Here's another one a friend recommended. ($3,849) »www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/sto···00672177 |
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 | reply to nunya said by nunya:I would skip the JD and the CC. Neither of which carry the same quality they used to. I have CC now, and it's alright. It's no different than any other lawn mower.
For what you are about to spend, I would take a step back. What are you really going to do with this thing 99% of the time? Cut grass. I would get a grass cutting machine and not a lawn tractor if I had it to do over again. I would look at the following brands ZTR mowers: #1 Husqvarna, #2 Cub Cadet, #3 Snapper Personally, I will probably get a "walk behind" with a Velke sulky (stand) next time. Probably an Exmark or Toro.
I want to spend as little time mowing my weeds as possible. The only thing I hate more than mowing or weed eating is painting. I would agree mostly with this reply. Do you really need a garden tractor. A zero turn mower is the way to go if you are going to be using it for grass cutting only. I have a Toro z4235. It is a great machine. |
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| reply to mattmag I would second the Simplicity, You don't have to go to the Legacy. A broodmoor or regent would handle mowing fine. »www.simplicitymfg.com/products/l···ractors/
Also watch the Snapper mowers, made by Simplicity, plus the I think the Professional series Craftsmen is currently a Simplicity. So depending on dealer choices you could have some options. |
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| reply to eagleknight said by eagleknight:said by nunya:I would skip the JD and the CC. Neither of which carry the same quality they used to. I have CC now, and it's alright. It's no different than any other lawn mower.
For what you are about to spend, I would take a step back. What are you really going to do with this thing 99% of the time? Cut grass. I would get a grass cutting machine and not a lawn tractor if I had it to do over again. I would look at the following brands ZTR mowers: #1 Husqvarna, #2 Cub Cadet, #3 Snapper Personally, I will probably get a "walk behind" with a Velke sulky (stand) next time. Probably an Exmark or Toro.
I want to spend as little time mowing my weeds as possible. The only thing I hate more than mowing or weed eating is painting. I would agree mostly with this reply. Do you really need a garden tractor. A zero turn mower is the way to go if you are going to be using it for grass cutting only. I have a Toro z4235. It is a great machine. The OP has steep hills so a ZTM is out. They are VERY dangerous on steep hills. Not sure how steep but most people use that for hills between 20 and 30 degrees. |
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| reply to Fronkman I think the largest mower Honda makes is 21". The OP mentioned "acres" of land, and it appears he is trying to escape from a small mower. There are some commercial brands that do use Honda engines.
As far as the dangers of power equipment: any piece of power equipment in the wrong hands can be injurious or deadly. People get too comfortable and do stupid things. -- ...because I care. |
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 SwedishRiderRider on the StormPremium join:2006-01-11 Connecticut kudos:1 1 edit | reply to SwedishRider Well, did my homework and my shopping, and here's how it played out:
John Deere: The X500 and X300 series are great tractors, especially the X500. But I wasn't blown away honestly. I thought they were well built and riding on the X500 seemed very solid and the unit had plenty of power, but total with tax for the X500 was north of $6K, and I just can't justify that kind of money. When reviewing it after all options were on the table, I just thought it was too much money for not enough machine (for both the X300 and X500). Sorry John Deere fans...
Cub Cadet: Interesting side story in a moment... But both the Series 2000 and Series 1000 felt kinda chintzy to me. Fit and finish was also an issue, as some of the body panels didn't seem to line up correctly. And the series 2000 tractors started at over $4K... with no mower deck. That was $600-$800 more on top of the tractor's price, putting it slightly behind the John Deere. Needless to say, that was a no. As a sidenote here, one of the dealers I went to was a Cub Cadet repair shop but not a Cub dealer. He told me to stay away from Cub Cadet like the plague- he said the units have been made by MTD now (for about a decade, as was mentioned in this thread I think) and they've been getting less and less reliable. He said the Kohler engines used in them are really bad as of late and have been giving them a lot of business with warranty work. He even took me in the back and sure enough... there was a line of virtually new Cub Cadet tractors all being worked on. So, I decided that I'd stay away from them at almost any price.
Runner-up: I went to a Husqvarna dealer to try out the YTH24V48LS, which is a yard tractor that has the locking differential. It is a really nice tractor for the money. It felt solid, was very responsive, and cut my test patch of grass well. I had read that the drivetrain in them has been problematic, especially for extensive hill use. It uses the Tuff Torq K46 with the locking differential. Upon researching it, it appears failure prone as the weak link in this tractor lineup. And the differential only locks internally when the tractor senses slippage at the wheels, so the operator can't control it. Plus the rear end in it looked kinda chintzy and the rear wheels were comparably small. For what it's worth, the sales rep said that their warranty work on those tractors has been minimal (but I obviously can't confirm that myself). For flatter land use, I think it would be a solid choice, but I passed on this model as I just didn't think it looked beefy enough. I was impressed, but not blown away.
Winner: Right next to the YTH machine was the GTH27V48LS (the sister to the GTH24V52LS). The difference between the sister models is that the display model had the Briggs & Stratton 27hp engine, and the one I wanted to test has the Kawasaki 24hp engine. This tractor felt solid and heavy with very large rear wheels, a fabricated mowing deck, and just a pretty mean look about it. It has a Hydro-Gear drivetrain, which is limited-slip, but the rear end looks really beefy and even though it doesn't have the locking differential, the weight on the much larger wheels gives it plenty of bite. Research indicates that the Hydro-Gear is a very reliable unit... much more so than the K46. When I test drove it, it could REALLY move too with plenty of power to spare. I took it up and down the fairly steep test area with the blades engaged, and it was the most responsive of all the tractors I tested even though it had far more weight than most (or maybe all!?!). Since it's their garden tractor model, it is rated for all the attachments including the ground engaging ones. I was very impressed. I didn't bite on the spot, but I kinda knew this was the one.
I went and had a cold soda, looked over all the options, and chose the GTH with the Kawasaki engine. It seemed to be the sweet spot of value amongst features, capabilities and price. The Briggs seems to be a solid option too, but my research and word of mouth from others points to the Kawasaki as the better engine for a bit more than the Briggs. And the dealer is local to me and has been in business a long time. I've used their shop from time to time and have always gotten good work and good service. All in all, homework done and selection made... now it's time to get to work and cut the grass..  |
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 | reply to SwedishRider at those prices you can get one of these instead : »www.robotshop.com/lawnbott-lb355···ess.html
it covers two acres. just set and forget. |
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| reply to SwedishRider It sounds like your dealer had an old YTH24V48LS. The locking differential is operator control per Husqvarna's website.
"Hydrostatic transmission with locking differential Features a hydrostatic transmission that produces a smooth, variable forward and reverse speed and a pedal operated locking rear differential for increased traction while cutting on slopes or wet grass."
»www.husqvarna.com/us/products/ga···24v48ls/
Does that GTH have a locking differential? |
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 SwedishRiderRider on the StormPremium join:2006-01-11 Connecticut kudos:1 | said by Draiman:It sounds like your dealer had an old YTH24V48LS. The locking differential is operator control per Husqvarna's website.
"Hydrostatic transmission with locking differential Features a hydrostatic transmission that produces a smooth, variable forward and reverse speed and a pedal operated locking rear differential for increased traction while cutting on slopes or wet grass."
»www.husqvarna.com/us/products/ga···24v48ls/
Does that GTH have a locking differential? Dealer must have had an older model because none of the units on display had a pedal operated locking rear differential... he said it was automatic when the unit sensed wheel slippage.
The GTH does not have locking rear differential, but given my research, the K46LD had a major recall not long ago for a serious braking system failure (especially on hills!), and quite a few sites indicated that that transmission was weak and failure prone... the weakest link in the tractor actually. My research on the GTH's Hydro-Gear G730 indicated it to be a better, far more rugged transmission- though it lacks locking differential.
I plan on trying to use the tractor as-built, and if I have traction issues, I'll get the wheel weights and go from there. Worst case scenario, I'll use my trusty push mower for the sections of hills that are above the safe use of the GTH and use the tractor for the vast bulk of the yard and heavy duty yard chores.
Had the K46LD had a better reputation as a quality, durable tranny, I might have bit for it, but just looking at the YTH and GTH side by side, you could see a clear difference in the heavy duty nature of the GTH over YTH. |
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 SwedishRiderRider on the StormPremium join:2006-01-11 Connecticut kudos:1 1 edit | reply to SwedishRider said by SwedishRider:The Briggs seems to be a solid option too, but my research and word of mouth from others points to the Kawasaki as the better engine for a bit more than the Briggs. Anyone have opinions or perspective on the Kawasaki FR series engines vs. the Briggs & Stratton Endurance series engines for garden tractor applications?
The GTH with the Kawasaki and 52" deck is $200 more than the GTH with the Briggs and 48" deck. Otherwise, they are the same exact tractor. Is the Kawasaki worth the $200 premium? The GTH with the Kawasaki is backordered for 3-4 weeks where the Briggs is available right off the showroom today. I would think that speaks volumes about what consumers have decided but was hoping someone could shed some light on that in this thread. Is the Briggs just about the same quality as the Kawasaki or is this a night and day difference? Tks. |
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 AsterixPremium join:2002-09-18 Nazareth, PA kudos:3 | Go with the Kawasaki. They are presumed to be better engines. I have the zero turn Cub Cadet RZT 54" with Kawasaki engine.. love it. |
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 SwedishRiderRider on the StormPremium join:2006-01-11 Connecticut kudos:1 | Thanks for the advice. I can't find anyone who has argued for the Briggs, so I'll hurry up and wait for my tractor with the Kawasaki.  |
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 mattmagPremium,ExMod 2000-03 join:2000-04-09 NW Illinois kudos:3 |
Nothing wrong with a Briggs at all. I've never owned anything else, and they are a reliable workhorse in the mowing world.
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 Jack_in_VAPremium join:2007-11-26 Mathews, VA kudos:1 | My JD I bought from a JD last year has a 2 cylinder 22 hp Briggs engine instead of the Kohler I'm used to on JD Mowers. So far no complaints. |
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 49528867Premium join:2010-04-16 Fort Lauderdale, FL kudos:3 | said by Jack_in_VA:My JD I bought from a JD last year has a 2 cylinder 22 hp Briggs engine instead of the Kohler I'm used to on JD Mowers. So far no complaints. I have worked with a lot of air cooled engines and there was a time in the past where a Kohler would deliver a decent amount of hoursepower for about twice as long as a Briggs, literally 3000 hours versus 1500 for a Briggs.
However times are a changing and in my opinion Kohler has lost that edge due to improvements made by Briggs primarily in their Intek line of engines.
For a number of years Briggs lagged even Generac in quality, way back Generac went with pressurized lubrication for the mains while Briggs added an oil pump which only circulated oil through the filter sticking with a slinger to distribute oil around the crankcase, stupid stuff but they where stuck in an engineering rut which they finally got out of.
Then theres Hondas
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