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DKS
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reply to HeadSpinning

Re: Tim Horton WIFI

said by HeadSpinning:

If you buy a house, you can install your own locks. You're getting free WIFI here - take it as it is, or don't take it at all. Seriously...

Just another graduate of the Chronos Law School...
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said by DKS:

said by HeadSpinning:

If you buy a house, you can install your own locks. You're getting free WIFI here - take it as it is, or don't take it at all. Seriously...

Just another graduate of the Chronos Law School...

getting tired old man you mispelled my nick
and misrepresenting the fact that the service is safe to use is a actionable suit and its something one can in ontario quebec and BC can be class action suited.

the message here is allow the https at min ...then you got something safe to use in pr messages and lesson your contributory liability....
lawyers aren't techies....its why we techies got to tell them stuffies....

hey lets do banking unencrypted the above guy thinks its AOK.....oh you don't well why would i surf any other way?
Vic toews wants to spy on you after all why give him anything to spy on .....and hey yea its nice to offer it freely but its useless to use OH GEE wonderful want some examples of free and useless?
haha argueing against allowing ME to do MY SECURITY is so sad....


DKS
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said by funny:

said by DKS:

said by HeadSpinning:

If you buy a house, you can install your own locks. You're getting free WIFI here - take it as it is, or don't take it at all. Seriously...

Just another graduate of the Chronos Law School...

getting tired old man you mispelled my nick
and misrepresenting the fact that the service is safe to use is a actionable suit and its something one can in ontario quebec and BC can be class action suited.

Outed!
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when they cant argue against you they try and attack you


funny

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reply to DKS

said by DKS:

Outed!

go over to groklaw.net and try to spill this angle and your gonna get laughed right out of the site.....

funny

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reply to DKS

said by DKS:

Outed!

funny=! chronos
you a cop or something spying on users around here....
aint it great to be anonymous
only admins get to see whom you are....maybe a hacker can visit of course and glean data .....cause its unencrypted in the logs....
another issue what is tim hortons doing with all this data
yup i thinks there is issues with it and its actually work to stop HTTPS and STOP encryption use. by default my net doesn't disallow it.....

now elquiton tell me WHY they then disallow it....on what grounds and how that makes me having my coffee want to use the net they provide...so far no one has said shit to me that gives me a reason to talk to my american partner about my animated tv show, the game also being developed or anything cause its all NON encrypted and my stories or meshes or audio clips could get sniffed
sorry no use it.....he by all means go ahead just as tim says dont whine to them ok WHY cause i warned ya and if they put a similar warnign up and you get borked then you have but yourself to blame...

HeadSpinning
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reply to funny

said by funny:

said by DKS:

Outed!

go over to groklaw.net and try to spill this angle and your gonna get laughed right out of the site.....

Something I'm sure you've experienced many times before.
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DKS
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reply to funny

said by funny:

when they cant argue against you they try and attack you

Who is arguing with you? Not I. There are always cautions in using a public wireless network which is free. That's called "using common sense".
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DS256
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reply to MEeastern_ca

No VPN means more business travellers will go to Starbucks or another location that does support VPN. When I'm having a copy and catching up on work, most of the time I need to be on VPN.


peterboro
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reply to DKS

said by DKS:

said by HeadSpinning:

If you buy a house, you can install your own locks. You're getting free WIFI here - take it as it is, or don't take it at all. Seriously...

Just another graduate of the Chronos Law School...

There is two ss's and it took you long enough to figure him out. I had him pegged within a couple posts. I mean really who else on the net has a posting style so...so...well words don't describe it.

HeadSpinning
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reply to MEeastern_ca

One example of the dangers of using an open WiFi connection:

»www.ex-parrot.com/pete/upside-do···net.html
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reply to MEeastern_ca

I don't know if you are referring to Tim Horton's restaurant but we have them here in the states as well. I know we have them in the US state of Maine.

I never use public Wi-Fi (due to security issues), I use my Verizon Wireless mobile hotspot when on the go.

Tim Horton's has some awesome food though.


HeadSpinning
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said by IowaCowboy:

I don't know if you are referring to Tim Horton's restaurant but we have them here in the states as well. I know we have them in the US state of Maine.

I never use public Wi-Fi (due to security issues), I use my Verizon Wireless mobile hotspot when on the go.

Tim Horton's has some awesome food though.

Canadians are quite familiar with Tim Hortons:

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Hortons

As of April 1, 2012, Tim Hortons has 4,042 restaurants, including 3,315 in Canada and 721 in the United States
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MarkAW
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reply to MEeastern_ca

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The Tims at 235 Dundas St E Trenton has free wifi found this out last week when my wife told me about her store getting it.


DKS
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said by MarkAW:

The Tims at 235 Dundas St E Trenton has free wifi found this out last week when my wife told me about her store getting it.

All our stores in Owen Sound are being closed next weekend for "modernization". That probably includes adding wifi. McD's just opened a completely new store (they bulldozed the old one and built new) with wifi last week. The downtown business district already has it.
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reply to MEeastern_ca

"This service may contain links to third party sites ("Linked Sites"), and may incorporate information obtained from third parties ("Third Party Information"). The Linked Sites and Third Party Information are not under the control of DATAVALET, and DATAVALET is not responsible for the contents of any Linked Site or Third Party Information, including without limitation the accuracy, copyright compliance, legality, decency, links or any other aspect of the Linked Sites.

Any dealings with third parties conducted through the service, including the delivery of and the payment for goods and services, and any other terms, conditions, warranties or representations associated with such dealings, are solely between you and the third party. DATAVALET shall not be responsible or liable for any part of any such dealings."

»www.timhortons.com/ca/en/wifi-te···s-b.html

i do not accept the privacy issues neither and the data gathering , one thing to offer me an incentive to sit around and maybe buy more stuff form ya its another to use a 3rd party i don't trust and sneakily watch where we go on the net ....all it takes is a few bad apples and you got serious issues 4400 stores eh a lot a youth what's the odds.....

shaking my head and under those terms to do what they want there is a lot more you cant do then https and vpn encrypted use.
a ton of stuff is useless.....

so my warning is if you don't care about what your doing , don't care about the risks etc then fine .....but ive warned you of a few issues....

oh and thank a leak of the german police for a nice wireless rootkit floating around....BUT i cant say any more under the new copyright act its forbidden until the copyright holders are informed....nice law isnt it....


funny

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reply to DKS

said by DKS:

said by MarkAW:

The Tims at 235 Dundas St E Trenton has free wifi found this out last week when my wife told me about her store getting it.

All our stores in Owen Sound are being closed next weekend for "modernization". That probably includes adding wifi. McD's just opened a completely new store (they bulldozed the old one and built new) with wifi last week. The downtown business district already has it.

you all act like we don't get it that corporations arent offering us safe internet.....free internet that gets me hacked is not really free when i have to spend time to fix crap isn't it.....

nice to see you outed your self as a mcd's employee....
and won't it be nice to see me show up and let people know at ever store i come across how unsafe it is.....tims or otherwise....dont care about vpn use but i aint using any websurfing without https....unless i dont care aobut the site or anything i say ...like here....so what if a hacker sniffs passwords and hacks this place right? OR the users....


elwoodblues
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reply to MEeastern_ca

I don't the argument here. Who cares if it's free, not free, unsecure, secure.. NOBODY IS FORCING YOU TO USE IT.

This is a smart policy,maybe get more people into their full service locations, maybe buy an extra couple of coffee in the deal. There will always be those that get a cup of coffee and sit there all day long using free Internet.
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DKS
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reply to funny

said by funny:

nice to see you outed your self as a mcd's employee....

ROTFL!
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reply to elwoodblues

said by elwoodblues:

I don't the argument here. Who cares if it's free, not free, unsecure, secure.. NOBODY IS FORCING YOU TO USE IT.

This is a smart policy,maybe get more people into their full service locations, maybe buy an extra couple of coffee in the deal. There will always be those that get a cup of coffee and sit there all day long using free Internet.

its the fact you show you could care less if you surf safely or anyone else for that matter , thats the part go on admit its perfectly safe to use tell everyone the tims you will use after all they TIM HORTONS admits thats allowed by them ....


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said by funny:

its the fact you show you could care less if you surf safely or anyone else for that matter , thats the part go on admit its perfectly safe to use tell everyone the tims you will use after all they TIM HORTONS admits thats allowed by them ....

It's free... if you don't like it you could always tether your laptop to your cellphone and then get whatever privacy your cellphone provider gives you, if you preferred that.

The policy is pretty clearly laid out, it would be one thing if you were going into this with the expectation of privacy, and then they didn't provide it, but the disclaimer is right there.

The legal and technical issues they face as a public provider are vastly different than those a residential ISP would...
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MEeastern_ca

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Brampton, ON
reply to El Quintron

Exactly El Quintron. It seems that funny got his name correct. Why would anyone use CIBC (Banking) without encryption!


funny

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reply to El Quintron

said by El Quintron:

said by funny:

its the fact you show you could care less if you surf safely or anyone else for that matter , thats the part go on admit its perfectly safe to use tell everyone the tims you will use after all they TIM HORTONS admits thats allowed by them ....

It's free... if you don't like it you could always tether your laptop to your cellphone and then get whatever privacy your cellphone provider gives you, if you preferred that.

The policy is pretty clearly laid out, it would be one thing if you were going into this with the expectation of privacy, and then they didn't provide it, but the disclaimer is right there.

The legal and technical issues they face as a public provider are vastly different than those a residential ISP would...

and do i not use the internet with privacy in mind ? HUH what was that 464,000 in 4 days against internet spying all about yada yada ...

the legal issues are no different they you trying to get insurance on your home if you are sold a home with no door locks and you don't add them... don't expect privacy DONT expect not to get robbed or worse....and by default you can do this privacy and protection what's the issue here is they are deliberately doing the reverse and then saying its your fault if you get hacked, virii or damage to your pc....

you don't seem to get that. it would be like teksavvy tomorrow outlawing all encryption and all vpns and anything but http use and email NON encrypted of course .....there terms also mention that they are in fact wanting to know where and when you go places and that they have the right to give that data to a 3rd party for purposes they see fit.....what are those who knows....

i can clearly state a policy im going to screw you if you use a service , it does not make it any more legal to violate my privacy period....

at worst they need to allow https half the dman net forces use of it TO PROTECT USERS....are you not getting that or are you wanting to screw USERS? so far your arguments are just ok if you dont like it don't use it....and your not refuting any thing i say....that means your ok with others using it and getting harmed and so is tim hortons? IT would be nice and here is a move that tim and its ISP might do smartly is create a business account that allows a vpn use and then allow https for others and no vpn use.

they ( isp and tim might make a small bit near air ports and down towns or across the street from hotels and near gas stations say)

remember my analogy of the home buyer and getting insurance ...thats a perfect example don't like the home don't buy it....NOT many would now would they especially when you'd not be allowed to put locks on the doors....

»blueimp.net/ajax/ ---- neat example of https webchat that does a lot a irc stuff and also adds forum picture ability posting via remote links....

AND LOOK as a hacker i know that you cant stop me tunneling by and through allowed protocols and suing encryption....
all this is for the avg user and it protects them....

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reply to HeadSpinning

said by HeadSpinning:

said by funny:

i argue the opposite that if you prevent my ability to protect myself your even worse liability then making it so i have none.

look up what contributory liability is and no matter how you try and word it son its a fact what i said.

its like saying its ok we are gonna sell you a house and dont worry you dont need locks but if ya do were not liable
WHO sells houses without locks these days?
and the first person getting hacked there will make news and ill be right here slapping the inability to even bother to protect ones self
as the reason.

its one thing to say look if you use out service you are liable for all potential damage ....its another to prevent me form using all forms a abilities that might protect me.

and your right thats why civil lawsuits happen against bell canada so often and why tim hortons using bell canada might also be an issue for a lot a people in the first place....not you though .....

and can i enter in »dslreports.com login and it works?
last time i checked that did not work and trying to use a proxy might aslo afford protection till it gets um er compromised .....once https is enacted me to you is encrypted i don't need httpsanywhere everywhere upaskirtthere proxies.

If you buy a house, you can install your own locks. You're getting free WIFI here - take it as it is, or don't take it at all. Seriously...

BUT the difference here is that tim hortons the maker of your fine new house has a clause that states you cant use locks.....
try getting insurance , try not getting robbed when you leave or get home invaded easier....or whatever

if they provided it as a dumb pipe then its as there policy states UP to them and you if you get harmed er your pc that is....

you don't do the opposite and tell me you can claim otherwise....

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reply to MEeastern_ca

said by MEeastern_ca:

Exactly El Quintron. It seems that funny got his name correct. Why would anyone use CIBC (Banking) without encryption!

and why would i use internet anywhere without an ability to go encrypted if i feel i require it....

as i said tim basically wants to sell you a house with no locks on the doors and prevent you from putting any on....
ya not very funny at all actually.

when the first people start whining how crap happens don't say i didn't warn you....its what they should put up there .....

"This service has no protection and in fact we are preventing you from protecting yourself ....its free however"


elwoodblues
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reply to funny

What would I be doing at Tim Hortons that requires me to surf safe?
Banking?
Ecommerce?

Seriously Wtf would I do at tims I can't do at home?


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reply to MEeastern_ca

Jeeeeeeeeebus Christo

It's a Tim Horton's people.

There are things you simply should not be doing some places.

I don't do banking online anywhere at all. I walk into my bank to do it.

I won't use a credit card anywhere I can hand you cash in person. Why risk it?

I go to Tim's to drink a hot chocolate. It's nice I can wander my favourite model web site while I sip.

I'm not going to surf my fav porn locations there though. I'm just not going to look at my Facebook there. I'm not doing anything that requires real privacy there.

Some of you guys have retarded sounding expectations of the world.

Where's it end?


HeadSpinning
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reply to funny

said by funny:

BUT the difference here is that tim hortons the maker of your fine new house has a clause that states you cant use locks.....
try getting insurance , try not getting robbed when you leave or get home invaded easier....or whatever

if they provided it as a dumb pipe then its as there policy states UP to them and you if you get harmed er your pc that is....

you don't do the opposite and tell me you can claim otherwise....

If you buy the business, you can install your own locks, just like with a house. Most people put new locks on houses when they buy them. Until then, you're using an optional no-charge service - either take it as it is, or go get a cellular data plan and use that.
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reply to Sukunai

The only time I've had fraud on my credit card was when I handed it to the gas station attendant 'in person'-about 20 years ago when they were still using the old Chargex machines and he put through an extra charge and forged my signature! I much prefer to use my credit card online where there is SSL security!


funny

join:2010-12-22
reply to El Quintron

said by El Quintron:

said by funny:

so how many non secure sites you think i use?
besides this one btw?

I don't care how many unsecure sites you use, and this site is fully compatible with https everywhere, and will give you an https connection whenever prompted to do so.

said by funny:

seriously a 4 line .htaccess file in apache and whats your excuse for not protecting users.

If they offer protection they're liable... that's why, and their lawyers, and accountants probably told them that was a bad business decision.

Offering a service "as is" is still better than offering no service at all.

NOT asking them to offer protection but to allow ME ot basically use https to protect myself

vpn users and business people wold prolly like ot be able to also sit have a coffee and use encryption to send data .....when you dont at least allow the user to protect themselves like i said its like tim hortons selling you a house with no locks and telling you ...your not allowed to put locks on any doors....it dont mean every time you will see trouble but soon as word gets round ...these spots are gonna be
SNIFFING heaven for hackers.....