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El Quintron
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Etobicoke, ON
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reply to funny

Re: Tim Horton WIFI

said by funny:

its the fact you show you could care less if you surf safely or anyone else for that matter , thats the part go on admit its perfectly safe to use tell everyone the tims you will use after all they TIM HORTONS admits thats allowed by them ....

It's free... if you don't like it you could always tether your laptop to your cellphone and then get whatever privacy your cellphone provider gives you, if you preferred that.

The policy is pretty clearly laid out, it would be one thing if you were going into this with the expectation of privacy, and then they didn't provide it, but the disclaimer is right there.

The legal and technical issues they face as a public provider are vastly different than those a residential ISP would...
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MEeastern_ca

join:2012-01-12
Brampton, ON
reply to El Quintron

Exactly El Quintron. It seems that funny got his name correct. Why would anyone use CIBC (Banking) without encryption!


funny

join:2010-12-22
reply to El Quintron

said by El Quintron:

said by funny:

its the fact you show you could care less if you surf safely or anyone else for that matter , thats the part go on admit its perfectly safe to use tell everyone the tims you will use after all they TIM HORTONS admits thats allowed by them ....

It's free... if you don't like it you could always tether your laptop to your cellphone and then get whatever privacy your cellphone provider gives you, if you preferred that.

The policy is pretty clearly laid out, it would be one thing if you were going into this with the expectation of privacy, and then they didn't provide it, but the disclaimer is right there.

The legal and technical issues they face as a public provider are vastly different than those a residential ISP would...

and do i not use the internet with privacy in mind ? HUH what was that 464,000 in 4 days against internet spying all about yada yada ...

the legal issues are no different they you trying to get insurance on your home if you are sold a home with no door locks and you don't add them... don't expect privacy DONT expect not to get robbed or worse....and by default you can do this privacy and protection what's the issue here is they are deliberately doing the reverse and then saying its your fault if you get hacked, virii or damage to your pc....

you don't seem to get that. it would be like teksavvy tomorrow outlawing all encryption and all vpns and anything but http use and email NON encrypted of course .....there terms also mention that they are in fact wanting to know where and when you go places and that they have the right to give that data to a 3rd party for purposes they see fit.....what are those who knows....

i can clearly state a policy im going to screw you if you use a service , it does not make it any more legal to violate my privacy period....

at worst they need to allow https half the dman net forces use of it TO PROTECT USERS....are you not getting that or are you wanting to screw USERS? so far your arguments are just ok if you dont like it don't use it....and your not refuting any thing i say....that means your ok with others using it and getting harmed and so is tim hortons? IT would be nice and here is a move that tim and its ISP might do smartly is create a business account that allows a vpn use and then allow https for others and no vpn use.

they ( isp and tim might make a small bit near air ports and down towns or across the street from hotels and near gas stations say)

remember my analogy of the home buyer and getting insurance ...thats a perfect example don't like the home don't buy it....NOT many would now would they especially when you'd not be allowed to put locks on the doors....

»blueimp.net/ajax/ ---- neat example of https webchat that does a lot a irc stuff and also adds forum picture ability posting via remote links....

AND LOOK as a hacker i know that you cant stop me tunneling by and through allowed protocols and suing encryption....
all this is for the avg user and it protects them....

funny

join:2010-12-22
reply to HeadSpinning

said by HeadSpinning:

said by funny:

i argue the opposite that if you prevent my ability to protect myself your even worse liability then making it so i have none.

look up what contributory liability is and no matter how you try and word it son its a fact what i said.

its like saying its ok we are gonna sell you a house and dont worry you dont need locks but if ya do were not liable
WHO sells houses without locks these days?
and the first person getting hacked there will make news and ill be right here slapping the inability to even bother to protect ones self
as the reason.

its one thing to say look if you use out service you are liable for all potential damage ....its another to prevent me form using all forms a abilities that might protect me.

and your right thats why civil lawsuits happen against bell canada so often and why tim hortons using bell canada might also be an issue for a lot a people in the first place....not you though .....

and can i enter in »dslreports.com login and it works?
last time i checked that did not work and trying to use a proxy might aslo afford protection till it gets um er compromised .....once https is enacted me to you is encrypted i don't need httpsanywhere everywhere upaskirtthere proxies.

If you buy a house, you can install your own locks. You're getting free WIFI here - take it as it is, or don't take it at all. Seriously...

BUT the difference here is that tim hortons the maker of your fine new house has a clause that states you cant use locks.....
try getting insurance , try not getting robbed when you leave or get home invaded easier....or whatever

if they provided it as a dumb pipe then its as there policy states UP to them and you if you get harmed er your pc that is....

you don't do the opposite and tell me you can claim otherwise....

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reply to MEeastern_ca

said by MEeastern_ca:

Exactly El Quintron. It seems that funny got his name correct. Why would anyone use CIBC (Banking) without encryption!

and why would i use internet anywhere without an ability to go encrypted if i feel i require it....

as i said tim basically wants to sell you a house with no locks on the doors and prevent you from putting any on....
ya not very funny at all actually.

when the first people start whining how crap happens don't say i didn't warn you....its what they should put up there .....

"This service has no protection and in fact we are preventing you from protecting yourself ....its free however"


elwoodblues
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reply to funny

What would I be doing at Tim Hortons that requires me to surf safe?
Banking?
Ecommerce?

Seriously Wtf would I do at tims I can't do at home?


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reply to MEeastern_ca

Jeeeeeeeeebus Christo

It's a Tim Horton's people.

There are things you simply should not be doing some places.

I don't do banking online anywhere at all. I walk into my bank to do it.

I won't use a credit card anywhere I can hand you cash in person. Why risk it?

I go to Tim's to drink a hot chocolate. It's nice I can wander my favourite model web site while I sip.

I'm not going to surf my fav porn locations there though. I'm just not going to look at my Facebook there. I'm not doing anything that requires real privacy there.

Some of you guys have retarded sounding expectations of the world.

Where's it end?


HeadSpinning
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Windsor, ON
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reply to funny

said by funny:

BUT the difference here is that tim hortons the maker of your fine new house has a clause that states you cant use locks.....
try getting insurance , try not getting robbed when you leave or get home invaded easier....or whatever

if they provided it as a dumb pipe then its as there policy states UP to them and you if you get harmed er your pc that is....

you don't do the opposite and tell me you can claim otherwise....

If you buy the business, you can install your own locks, just like with a house. Most people put new locks on houses when they buy them. Until then, you're using an optional no-charge service - either take it as it is, or go get a cellular data plan and use that.
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fparker

join:2008-04-28
Scarborough, ON
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reply to Sukunai

The only time I've had fraud on my credit card was when I handed it to the gas station attendant 'in person'-about 20 years ago when they were still using the old Chargex machines and he put through an extra charge and forged my signature! I much prefer to use my credit card online where there is SSL security!


funny

join:2010-12-22
reply to El Quintron

said by El Quintron:

said by funny:

so how many non secure sites you think i use?
besides this one btw?

I don't care how many unsecure sites you use, and this site is fully compatible with https everywhere, and will give you an https connection whenever prompted to do so.

said by funny:

seriously a 4 line .htaccess file in apache and whats your excuse for not protecting users.

If they offer protection they're liable... that's why, and their lawyers, and accountants probably told them that was a bad business decision.

Offering a service "as is" is still better than offering no service at all.

NOT asking them to offer protection but to allow ME ot basically use https to protect myself

vpn users and business people wold prolly like ot be able to also sit have a coffee and use encryption to send data .....when you dont at least allow the user to protect themselves like i said its like tim hortons selling you a house with no locks and telling you ...your not allowed to put locks on any doors....it dont mean every time you will see trouble but soon as word gets round ...these spots are gonna be
SNIFFING heaven for hackers.....

funny

join:2010-12-22
reply to elwoodblues

said by elwoodblues:

What would I be doing at Tim Hortons that requires me to surf safe?
Banking?
Ecommerce?

Seriously Wtf would I do at tims I can't do at home?

logging into a website anywhere, chatting to friends ( privacy is included here as well to protect ones self , also if a hacker sits in parking lot and sees you and your not encrypting stuff he can sniff and then you have identity theft issues....and cause the service wont allow you to protect ones self unless you tunnel it anyhow in a way they just cant detect.....then your boned and what is the sense of internet where you cant use https .....seriously google how many sites use https....
and if your allowed to use encryption ( requiring no work on tim hortons part ) more people will use said service.....

not talking about banking.....
and i use a prepaid credit card for any uses on the net ...put cash on spend no money left to steal....
what tim hortons wants is to attract more people and for longer periods thus increasing sales.

IF i can sit there with a few friends discussing mesh creation and maybe do some ups and downs of my stuff without them or hackers thieving it....right on good to be out of the house and around people it can help stimulate you in a change of environment....

and with https and facebook your no less secure then at home BUT if they force you to use http then it isnt....
and like i said its a nice gesture just the restriction to protect myself is a very silly thing to do and everyone ive talked to agrees....once you explain it.

look there are things one can do like email you might want encrypted and say your busy and on the go you go in get a coffee use encrypted webmail say like teksavvy and get your mail and on you go.... DON'T do that unencrypted...its foolish...

you can chat online with a link like i provided above....the ajax chat use encryption or get spied on....its about privacy too REMEMBER VIC TOEWS? THIS is the kind of internet he wants....everywhere.

and like i said all that is required is them not to add blocking on the ports and protocols for https vpns you might have a case to enable piracy thus you dont want that doing but business people might want that and then you could alter make accounts for them so people that travel a lot can have some access.that latter bit is work on tims part they prolly wont do but the first just is default access of any open wifi , non restricted except the vpn stuff and YOU LOOK AFTER YOUR PRIVACY AND SECURITY....end of story...thats all i asked and what idiot wants to not protect himself and then make it so no one can is beyond me....next they will tell you you cant run a firewall cause they need to see everything your doing....

funny

join:2010-12-22

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reply to HeadSpinning

said by HeadSpinning:

said by funny:

BUT the difference here is that tim hortons the maker of your fine new house has a clause that states you cant use locks.....
try getting insurance , try not getting robbed when you leave or get home invaded easier....or whatever

if they provided it as a dumb pipe then its as there policy states UP to them and you if you get harmed er your pc that is....

you don't do the opposite and tell me you can claim otherwise....

If you buy the business, you can install your own locks, just like with a house. Most people put new locks on houses when they buy them. Until then, you're using an optional no-charge service - either take it as it is, or go get a cellular data plan and use that.

what tim hortons is saying and ill repeat this is that you are not allowed to use webservices that actually protect yourself form spying and sniffing by hackers.....
aka https and vpns ( that latter i can see them not offering cause that could also be used for piracy directly)

https is encrypting your pc to the webserver so in between they can see where you went BUT not what your doing....
P.S. THAT fullfills the need for marketing data....you dont need any one knowing what a user is doing unless they give probable cause of illegal activity ....someone constantly visting known terrorists websites ? EVEN torrent and piracy visits could warrant more intrusive measures on there part....as its against the law to do a lot of downloading now. UNLESS YOUR ALLOWED BY RIGHTS HOLDER....

a sniffer sits in the parking lot having a coffee and when you use said service will activate and get all the data your doing even logins and passwords.....if you do stupid enough he will root you depending on circumstances.

google https no really tons more sites are now using it and ones that do care for there users....if the sites you visit dont they dont give a crap about users....

it took me 1 minute to force ssl ( https)
and if your all what does he care so much that he must be hidign someitng pm me ill give you my name address and you can come visit me....and dks im not chronoss.....

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reply to fparker

said by fparker:

The only time I've had fraud on my credit card was when I handed it to the gas station attendant 'in person'-about 20 years ago when they were still using the old Chargex machines and he put through an extra charge and forged my signature! I much prefer to use my credit card online where there is SSL security!

be careful now the pin and chip system is cracked
the banks wont admit it is and thus when you get defrauded on new cards NOT ONE PERSON has GOT there cash back and had to pay....
this is why i dont use those and use a prepaid visa put cash on spend done.....
go ahead steal the card....haha

OH and heres a link why you want https
and it has a link to a tool that allows easy access to any insecure NON https use login
i dunno like HERE
haha
»www.webmonkey.com/2011/03/https-···t-today/

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firesheep
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AndrewG2

join:2006-01-20
Niagara Falls, ON
reply to MEeastern_ca

Re: Tim Horton WIFI

Well I've tried it a couple of times, found it a little difficult to get on with older devices,(Win CE 6, Android 1.1) basically had to tab through invisible buttons (not rendered correctly) blind and hammer them until it worked. But it was useable for free within the normal constraints of the devices I was on. Just tried it out of curiosity really, but could see it being useful when out on the hoof to get a quick weather update etc...