Topic 'Give up my copper phone line to upgrade to 75\25?' in forum 'Verizon Fiber Optics' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Give-up-my-copper-phone-line-to-upgrade-to-7525-27303520 en Sun, 19 May 2013 18:46:43 EDT Sun, 19 May 2013 18:46:43 EDT Re: Give up my copper phone line to upgrade to 75\25? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Give-up-my-copper-phone-line-to-upgrade-to-7525-27319120 said by ITALIAN926:

Thats your misunderstanding prisaz

Ok perhap just my town. I guess, the CO here was just to cramped to have everything co exist. I bet some locations were property is at a prime, and buildings are built up, such in NYC, it is probably not true. the Copper and Fiber CO are probably co-located.

I guess it depends on space. But then again I don't work for Verizon, and don't know everything.

ITALIAN926 I am always open to learning. I am not here just to complain. :D

Best Regards]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Give-up-my-copper-phone-line-to-upgrade-to-7525-27319120 Wed, 11 Jul 2012 14:15:45 EDT Re: Give up my copper phone line to upgrade to 75\25? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Give-up-my-copper-phone-line-to-upgrade-to-7525-27315105 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Give-up-my-copper-phone-line-to-upgrade-to-7525-27315105 Tue, 10 Jul 2012 13:13:11 EDT Re: Give up my copper phone line to upgrade to 75\25? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Give-up-my-copper-phone-line-to-upgrade-to-7525-27314583 said by aaronwt:

said by prisaz:

Dave
Digital Voice is not regulated right? So if they get everyone to go there, you could be without everything, and tough luck. Still a FiOS fan, and switched to DV.

said by nycdave:

The problem with your copper argument is not all 'copper' POTS is 100% copper from the CO to your location. A majority is DLC-fed, meaning the DLC still needs commercial AC power - and when the commercial AC power goes out and the batteries die feeding the DLC, your POTS goes down.....

The FCC requirement for regulated voice is 8 hours of backup time, regardless of the network delivery method.

So what does regulation mean? My parents were on a regulated landline yet it was out for a week. There were no downed lines. It was some other issue. Even though it was regulated it didn't help them get their service back quickly. Yet people with FiOS and unregulated phone service had their phone service up in several hours in their area.

I agree. Regulation is not always a good thing. When I have power I have FiOS. It was my understanding that when FiOS is launched in a given area, They build out a totaly different CO.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Give-up-my-copper-phone-line-to-upgrade-to-7525-27314583 Tue, 10 Jul 2012 10:52:55 EDT Re: Give up my copper phone line to upgrade to 75\25? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Give-up-my-copper-phone-line-to-upgrade-to-7525-27313959 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Give-up-my-copper-phone-line-to-upgrade-to-7525-27313959 Tue, 10 Jul 2012 06:53:46 EDT Re: Give up my copper phone line to upgrade to 75\25? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Give-up-my-copper-phone-line-to-upgrade-to-7525-27313810 said by Mar9tin:

Backup generators only cost between $4-6,000 for an avg home

For some, that's not "only" a little money.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Give-up-my-copper-phone-line-to-upgrade-to-7525-27313810 Tue, 10 Jul 2012 02:27:47 EDT Re: Give up my copper phone line to upgrade to 75\25? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Give-up-my-copper-phone-line-to-upgrade-to-7525-27313795 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Give-up-my-copper-phone-line-to-upgrade-to-7525-27313795 Tue, 10 Jul 2012 02:07:28 EDT Re: Give up my copper phone line to upgrade to 75\25? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Give-up-my-copper-phone-line-to-upgrade-to-7525-27313137 said by prisaz:

Dave
Digital Voice is not regulated right? So if they get everyone to go there, you could be without everything, and tough luck. Still a FiOS fan, and switched to DV.

said by nycdave:

The problem with your copper argument is not all 'copper' POTS is 100% copper from the CO to your location. A majority is DLC-fed, meaning the DLC still needs commercial AC power - and when the commercial AC power goes out and the batteries die feeding the DLC, your POTS goes down.....

The FCC requirement for regulated voice is 8 hours of backup time, regardless of the network delivery method.

So what does regulation mean? My parents were on a regulated landline yet it was out for a week. There were no downed lines. It was some other issue. Even though it was regulated it didn't help them get their service back quickly. Yet people with FiOS and unregulated phone service had their phone service up in several hours in their area.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Give-up-my-copper-phone-line-to-upgrade-to-7525-27313137 Mon, 09 Jul 2012 21:07:58 EDT Re: Give up my copper phone line to upgrade to 75\25? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Give-up-my-copper-phone-line-to-upgrade-to-7525-27312889 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Give-up-my-copper-phone-line-to-upgrade-to-7525-27312889 Mon, 09 Jul 2012 19:50:21 EDT Re: Give up my copper phone line to upgrade to 75\25? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Give-up-my-copper-phone-line-to-upgrade-to-7525-27312789 Digital Voice is not regulated right? So if they get everyone to go there, you could be without everything, and tough luck. Still a FiOS fan, and switched to DV.

said by nycdave:

The problem with your copper argument is not all 'copper' POTS is 100% copper from the CO to your location. A majority is DLC-fed, meaning the DLC still needs commercial AC power - and when the commercial AC power goes out and the batteries die feeding the DLC, your POTS goes down.....

The FCC requirement for regulated voice is 8 hours of backup time, regardless of the network delivery method.

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Give-up-my-copper-phone-line-to-upgrade-to-7525-27312789 Mon, 09 Jul 2012 19:14:20 EDT Re: Give up my copper phone line to upgrade to 75\25? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Give-up-my-copper-phone-line-to-upgrade-to-7525-27312772 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Give-up-my-copper-phone-line-to-upgrade-to-7525-27312772 Mon, 09 Jul 2012 19:08:58 EDT Re: Give up my copper phone line to upgrade to 75\25? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Give-up-my-copper-phone-line-to-upgrade-to-7525-27312529
POTS lines *used* to go all the way back to the central office and get power from the central office battery (or backup generator) when AC power went out. That is often times no longer the case.

These days, copper analog lines go to a multiplexing system of some sort - such as a mini switch or some sort of multiple line multiplexing system that puts multiple phone lines on a single copper pair or fiber line.

The issue is how these devices are powered. When the utility AC power goes out, they operate off of batteries. These batteries usually run out in 12 hours or so. When they go out, the copper pair is no longer working - and depending on the actual situation, the central office may send callers to a "This number is no longer in service" recording, to a busy signal, or just ring and ring. (I've seen all three with my former POTS line)

It sounds like with this particular situation that the CO had power, the end customer had power, but the mini switch or multiplexing unit did not. I do remember when Hurricane Isabel hit in 2003 that Verizon got out and hooked up generators to the mini switches to keep them going. But I did not see that this time in my area. I think the number of POTS customers has become so few that they didn't even bother. Either customers have dropped POTS in favor of VoIP, all wireless/cellular or FIOS (either FE or DV). Any way you slice it, it sounds like POTS is such a low priority due to the few numbers of customers who use it these days, that they didn't hook up a generator.

And as others have said - if YOU have power (either AC or generator) - you had all the FIOS services available - Internet, TV and phone - provided you kept your ONT powered.

Sadly, this is the future when copper analog POTS goes away completely in a few years.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Give-up-my-copper-phone-line-to-upgrade-to-7525-27312529 Mon, 09 Jul 2012 17:40:54 EDT Re: Give up my copper phone line to upgrade to 75\25? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Give-up-my-copper-phone-line-to-upgrade-to-7525-27311446 said by gadgetboyj:

said by aaronwt:

My parents neighborhood has all above ground lines. With last weeks storm in the DC area, their power was fine as well as their comcast cable. Yet their Verizon POTS line went down for a week.

Verizon was probably much more focused on getting their FiOS subscribers back online before they fixed all of the downed POTS lines.

FiOS was back up in hours. Yet the POTS lines in the area were down for almost a week. There were no issues with any utility poles in the area since Comcast lines and power lines were not affected.

There is no question that the POTS outage was unusual. They have lived there for 45 years and never had any issue with the POTS lines remotely similar. It just seems ironic that the POTS lines are supposed to be the most reliable, but in their situation it was actually the least reliable. And part of the reason they never changed phone service to Comcast or even FiOS was because of the supposed reliabilty. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Give-up-my-copper-phone-line-to-upgrade-to-7525-27311446 Mon, 09 Jul 2012 12:49:18 EDT Re: Give up my copper phone line to upgrade to 75\25? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Give-up-my-copper-phone-line-to-upgrade-to-7525-27311190
The FCC requirement for regulated voice is 8 hours of backup time, regardless of the network delivery method.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Give-up-my-copper-phone-line-to-upgrade-to-7525-27311190 Mon, 09 Jul 2012 11:40:53 EDT Re: Give up my copper phone line to upgrade to 75\25? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Give-up-my-copper-phone-line-to-upgrade-to-7525-27310846 said by ITALIAN926:

Mike, its pure glass from Central Office to your house. No repeaters.
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Factor in that the fiber is immune to rain, unlike the copper lines, there is ZERO reason to keep copper if you have a generator. (other than being stubborn ;) )

Well, not to be stubborn :D it's not zero. The one remaining advantage of POTS (assuming you keep an old Ma Bell phone around for this, as we do) is that you have phone service when your generator isn't running because the phone doesn't need local power; unless it's needed to run AC\heat you want to turn it off at night...in an emergency situation it's nice to know you wouldn't have to fire up the generator to make or receive a call. One way to mitigate that might be to hang a standalone UPS onto the ONT battery backup; if it charges while the generator is running during the day that would give you enough battery power to get through the night, and you could connect a cordless phone base station to it as well.

That said I don't want to come across as a tinfoil hat guy; with 20 years in IT infrastructure for a very large company I probably spend more time thinking about this stuff than most people, and with the increasingly crazy weather scenarios we're seeing in the US I do think that we need to worry about weather\power emergencies more than we have in the past.

I've learned from this thread that Fios is more resilient than I thought, and definitely more resilient than cable. I would still like to keep my copper if they'll let me (and I still don't think they gain anything by making a Fios customer give it up before the POTS customers do) but I now see why turning down that nearly 3x bandwidth increase is not as cut and dried as I thought.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Give-up-my-copper-phone-line-to-upgrade-to-7525-27310846 Mon, 09 Jul 2012 10:37:39 EDT Re: Give up my copper phone line to upgrade to 75\25? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Give-up-my-copper-phone-line-to-upgrade-to-7525-27309744
That being said, they are pretty notorious for not keeping them up to date. And once the backup runs out, you're relying on the cable company to bring generators to the poles, which I have seen them do in long outages, but I would not count on it at all.

And yes, I think a small dish well secured to a house would survive high winds better than a large, old, possibly rotted out tree. At least with the dish, you could reattach it yourself and not have to wait for anybody else.

It doesn't take hurricane force winds to bring down a dead tree. But then again, the tree could fall on your house and take out the dish. :uhh:
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My parents neighborhood has all above ground lines. With last weeks storm in the DC area, their power was fine as well as their comcast cable. Yet their Verizon POTS line went down for a week.

Verizon was probably much more focused on getting their FiOS subscribers back online before they fixed all of the downed POTS lines.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Give-up-my-copper-phone-line-to-upgrade-to-7525-27309593 Sun, 08 Jul 2012 18:31:41 EDT Re: Give up my copper phone line to upgrade to 75\25? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Give-up-my-copper-phone-line-to-upgrade-to-7525-27309364 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Give-up-my-copper-phone-line-to-upgrade-to-7525-27309364 Sun, 08 Jul 2012 17:06:35 EDT Re: Give up my copper phone line to upgrade to 75\25? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Give-up-my-copper-phone-line-to-upgrade-to-7525-27309363 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Give-up-my-copper-phone-line-to-upgrade-to-7525-27309363 Sun, 08 Jul 2012 17:06:20 EDT Re: Give up my copper phone line to upgrade to 75\25? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Give-up-my-copper-phone-line-to-upgrade-to-7525-27309228 said by ITALIAN926:

Listen man, if all of Great Neck loses power due to one electrical line coming down, your FiOS will continue to work in a power outage if you have a generator.

The Fiber lines are not wrapped around the electric lines themselves. "Keep touting "? I will.

That's great but usually if a power line goes due to a storm it's because a tree was uprooted & took out everything between the poles. My services in my part of Great Neck are underground but many places in my village, on Long Island and elsewhere are not. So yeah if a transformer blows, no worries FIOS will work, as will cable with a generator at your residence. When a thunderstorm or tropical system take out trees left and right & your services are aerial, well then everyone is SOL with their services. One possible power outage cause is not standard across the board, i.e blown transformer vs. thunderstorm/tropical system w/trees down between telephone poles.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Give-up-my-copper-phone-line-to-upgrade-to-7525-27309228 Sun, 08 Jul 2012 16:03:16 EDT Re: Give up my copper phone line to upgrade to 75\25? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Give-up-my-copper-phone-line-to-upgrade-to-7525-27309162
The Fiber lines are not wrapped around the electric lines themselves. "Keep touting "? I will.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Give-up-my-copper-phone-line-to-upgrade-to-7525-27309162 Sun, 08 Jul 2012 15:42:45 EDT Re: Give up my copper phone line to upgrade to 75\25? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Give-up-my-copper-phone-line-to-upgrade-to-7525-27309137 said by ITALIAN926:

Yea, like those hurricane winds in question ( which are "snapping all the poles like twigs") dont rip Satellite Sails off roofs. LOL Cmon now.

Id trust FiOS over Satellite in a hurricane, god knows youre not getting Satellite signals anyway in such a storm.,,, if it does survive such winds.

Keep touting how great FIOS is when the power is out all over the neighborhood and you have generator power. Doesn't matter one bit that the damn fiber is snapped all over the place in the town with cable & power company lines, none at all. Enjoy the blank TV, etc. Seen enough of that on this forum with the mid-atlantic derecho that blew through there. Keep your head in the sand, does wonders. Considering what tropical storm winds did here on Long Island with Irene last year, consider yourself lucky if FIOS & your utilities are delivered underground cause when the infrastructure is damaged severely, you are SOL even with a generator.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Give-up-my-copper-phone-line-to-upgrade-to-7525-27309137 Sun, 08 Jul 2012 15:36:56 EDT Re: Give up my copper phone line to upgrade to 75\25? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Give-up-my-copper-phone-line-to-upgrade-to-7525-27309101
Id trust FiOS over Satellite in a hurricane, god knows youre not getting Satellite signals anyway in such a storm.,,, if it does survive such winds.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Give-up-my-copper-phone-line-to-upgrade-to-7525-27309101 Sun, 08 Jul 2012 15:24:24 EDT Re: Give up my copper phone line to upgrade to 75\25? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Give-up-my-copper-phone-line-to-upgrade-to-7525-27309095
If you have a generator and power is lost to YOUR HOUSE ONLY, yes, you will have services up and running with cable. If it widespread, like an entire neighborhood, city, state, and their fiber nodes are included, you get NOTHING.

With FiOS the pon cards have backup power in the central office, thats it. Thats the beauty of FiOS.

Now that we've established that there is no electronics between you and central office, do you see any point in keeping a copper line which takes the same route to the SAME central office? Factor in that the fiber is immune to rain, unlike the copper lines, there is ZERO reason to keep copper if you have a generator. (other than being stubborn ;) )]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Give-up-my-copper-phone-line-to-upgrade-to-7525-27309095 Sun, 08 Jul 2012 15:21:30 EDT Re: Give up my copper phone line to upgrade to 75\25? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Give-up-my-copper-phone-line-to-upgrade-to-7525-27308913
The CO has generators, so if you also have a generator, you'll get service.

That being said, Verizon's fiber lines can still be taken out (if aerial) during a storm. If that happens, the other poster is correct - Satellite is the only thing that will always work.
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said by UofMiamiGrad:

Believe it or not Cablevision works better than Verizon after a big storm.

That depends on what parts of who's infrastructures sustain damage, as well as which areas the providers chose to restore service to first.

Well when all your services are above ground and a tropical storm or hurricane take trees down all over the place that snap telephone poles like toothpicks, let me know who's infrastructure sustains damage.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Give-up-my-copper-phone-line-to-upgrade-to-7525-27308591 Sun, 08 Jul 2012 10:55:09 EDT Re: Give up my copper phone line to upgrade to 75\25? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Give-up-my-copper-phone-line-to-upgrade-to-7525-27308577
If fiber doesn't require that - if power in the CO means that you are good all the way out to the ONT - then I agree with the posts above that argue that copper is largely redundant. But reading the variety of Irene experiences above it seems like it was just a matter of luck that Fios stayed up in my area while CV was down, and again, in that scenario it seems to me that POTS brings you a level of resiliency that FTTH and cable don't.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Give-up-my-copper-phone-line-to-upgrade-to-7525-27308577 Sun, 08 Jul 2012 10:50:21 EDT Re: Give up my copper phone line to upgrade to 75\25? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Give-up-my-copper-phone-line-to-upgrade-to-7525-27308169 quote:
Generator w/satellite TV & satellite phone are your only bet when you have nothing else.


Generator PLUS FiOS = ALL SERVICES WORKING IN HOUSE ( for a widespread or single outage )]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Give-up-my-copper-phone-line-to-upgrade-to-7525-27308169 Sun, 08 Jul 2012 02:06:29 EDT Re: Give up my copper phone line to upgrade to 75\25? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Give-up-my-copper-phone-line-to-upgrade-to-7525-27308159 said by UofMiamiGrad:

Believe it or not Cablevision works better than Verizon after a big storm.

That depends on what parts of who's infrastructures sustain damage, as well as which areas the providers chose to restore service to first.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Give-up-my-copper-phone-line-to-upgrade-to-7525-27308159 Sun, 08 Jul 2012 01:54:03 EDT Re: Give up my copper phone line to upgrade to 75\25? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Give-up-my-copper-phone-line-to-upgrade-to-7525-27308150 said by ITALIAN926:

lol@ Cablevision.

Good luck with that.

You have a generator, theres no need to have copper at all. Its ironic that you do hook up your generator, and consider moving to CV which will give you NO SERVICES during a power outage. But hey, youll have your copper landline working, and your lights.

In addition, the second DV line is just $10 a month unlimited calling, and you will pay way less taxes and fee's on it. Why you would keep a copper line is bizarre, especially when you have a generator.

Believe it or not Cablevision works better than Verizon after a big storm. Irene was a good example, as my folks in Muttontown had no phone service for a week & they are on copper POTS too. They also had no cable tv & internet from Cablevision but for only 3 days. Generator was working the whole time, so I had to take an Optimum Voice line they use for faxes and plug into phone system so they had phones. Directv worked fine during the interim for TV but when they had no phones at all, no cell service thanks to NIMBY folks, I then got them a satellite phone, in case there is next time. When the whole infrastructure is gone due to trees down all over the place good luck depending on any company's services. Generator w/satellite TV & satellite phone are your only bet when you have nothing else.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Give-up-my-copper-phone-line-to-upgrade-to-7525-27308150 Sun, 08 Jul 2012 01:47:42 EDT Re: Give up my copper phone line to upgrade to 75\25? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Give-up-my-copper-phone-line-to-upgrade-to-7525-27308117
Good luck with that.

You have a generator, theres no need to have copper at all. Its ironic that you do hook up your generator, and consider moving to CV which will give you NO SERVICES during a power outage. But hey, youll have your copper landline working, and your lights.

In addition, the second DV line is just $10 a month unlimited calling, and you will pay way less taxes and fee's on it. Why you would keep a copper line is bizarre, especially when you have a generator. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Give-up-my-copper-phone-line-to-upgrade-to-7525-27308117 Sun, 08 Jul 2012 01:17:48 EDT Re: Give up my copper phone line to upgrade to 75\25? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Give-up-my-copper-phone-line-to-upgrade-to-7525-27307877
If VZ said they were turning POTS off tomorrow in our town I would be fine with it, but it's not going anywhere anytime soon, and I can't imagine that getting rid of my copper wire and losing me as a customer benefits them more than letting me keep it, when probably 80% of the houses on my block still have copper. If I decide to switch to CV because VZ won't let me upgrade to the service I want, the copper will still be there and Fios will have lost a loyal customer.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Give-up-my-copper-phone-line-to-upgrade-to-7525-27307877 Sun, 08 Jul 2012 00:33:02 EDT Re: Give up my copper phone line to upgrade to 75\25? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Give-up-my-copper-phone-line-to-upgrade-to-7525-27307462
said by ITALIAN926:

Mike, if youre that worried about FiOS phone service being down during a power-outage, get a backup generator. With FioS, not only will you continue to have phone service, you will have internet and TV as well.

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Give-up-my-copper-phone-line-to-upgrade-to-7525-27307462 Sat, 07 Jul 2012 18:35:47 EDT Re: Give up my copper phone line to upgrade to 75\25? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Give-up-my-copper-phone-line-to-upgrade-to-7525-27306527 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Give-up-my-copper-phone-line-to-upgrade-to-7525-27306527 Sat, 07 Jul 2012 11:25:27 EDT Re: Give up my copper phone line to upgrade to 75\25? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Give-up-my-copper-phone-line-to-upgrade-to-7525-27305929 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Give-up-my-copper-phone-line-to-upgrade-to-7525-27305929 Sat, 07 Jul 2012 00:39:06 EDT Re: Give up my copper phone line to upgrade to 75\25? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Give-up-my-copper-phone-line-to-upgrade-to-7525-27305332 Personally I am ok with that... I dropped my copper land line for VoIP in 2001 and never looked back... 2 out of three major storms cable was back up quicker than patching all the single phone lines that got cut so my Verizon copper neighbors ended up calling their relatives from my house...
I had FIOS and was happy - went back to Cablevision for internet and am it is sufficient for a much lower price.... When we had the two freak storms last year (Irene and the NE early Snow) Cablevision had portable generators at the pole Power Supplies so the minute I got my own power back through Generator my internet and VoIP was up and running...
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It's unbelievable. I want to pay them more money and they won't let me. Cablevision will let me keep my copper and buy whatever I want from them.

I have a digital voice line, no problems with it. The POTS is really a security blanket; it's the only thing that worked after Irene and the other blackouts we've had out here. As long as they have UPS and generators in the COs POTS will always be the most reliable when there are weather\power problems.

It wasn't for my parents this past week. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Give-up-my-copper-phone-line-to-upgrade-to-7525-27305238 Fri, 06 Jul 2012 20:02:37 EDT Re: Give up my copper phone line to upgrade to 75\25? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Give-up-my-copper-phone-line-to-upgrade-to-7525-27304733
I have a digital voice line, no problems with it. The POTS is really a security blanket; it's the only thing that worked after Irene and the other blackouts we've had out here. As long as they have UPS and generators in the COs POTS will always be the most reliable when there are weather\power problems.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Give-up-my-copper-phone-line-to-upgrade-to-7525-27304733 Fri, 06 Jul 2012 17:04:14 EDT Re: Give up my copper phone line to upgrade to 75\25? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Give-up-my-copper-phone-line-to-upgrade-to-7525-27304317 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Give-up-my-copper-phone-line-to-upgrade-to-7525-27304317 Fri, 06 Jul 2012 15:15:28 EDT Re: Give up my copper phone line to upgrade to 75\25? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Give-up-my-copper-phone-line-to-upgrade-to-7525-27303845 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Give-up-my-copper-phone-line-to-upgrade-to-7525-27303845 Fri, 06 Jul 2012 13:19:26 EDT Re: Give up my copper phone line to upgrade to 75\25? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Give-up-my-copper-phone-line-to-upgrade-to-7525-27303734
My recent experience with cancelations was to over an argument regarding commitment dates that were changed on my account. I am 100% FiOS digital at 75/35 and happy with the technology.

So yes I am a FiOS fan! Quantum rules! So don't take my previous post the wrong way.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Give-up-my-copper-phone-line-to-upgrade-to-7525-27303734 Fri, 06 Jul 2012 12:56:05 EDT Re: Give up my copper phone line to upgrade to 75\25? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Give-up-my-copper-phone-line-to-upgrade-to-7525-27303706 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Give-up-my-copper-phone-line-to-upgrade-to-7525-27303706 Fri, 06 Jul 2012 12:49:01 EDT Re: Give up my copper phone line to upgrade to 75\25? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Give-up-my-copper-phone-line-to-upgrade-to-7525-27303699 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Give-up-my-copper-phone-line-to-upgrade-to-7525-27303699 Fri, 06 Jul 2012 12:47:18 EDT Re: Give up my copper phone line to upgrade to 75\25? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Give-up-my-copper-phone-line-to-upgrade-to-7525-27303643
Cancel FiOS and port your fiOS number over to a pay as you go wireless service before you cancel. If you can. Pay as you go phones can be had at Walmart for like $10.

Complain to your PSC if you have one. Verizon cannot force you off of copper if you still have it, as it is a regulated service. Tell Verizon if they want to sell you FiOS they will need to provide it on a separate account. Verizon can refuse to provide FiOS service at their will. If you have a local cable franchise you may also go that route and file a complaint with them. Having separate accounts will cost more, if they agree to provide them. You may need to have business and residential accounts. I do not believe they will provide two residential accounts to a single residential address. Dealing with two different departments within Verizon. It will cost you.

Yes Verizon wants everyone on a digital voice account, pushing it as a savings because it is not regulated and taxed the same way. But it seems like my taxes went down and my local cable franchise fee went up. So now if you are on an unregulated voice line Verizon can do as they please. I wanted the switch to DV and had a nightmare of a time when the strike hit. At one point being without a phone.

From my experience this week, if you call cancelations, they don't care, and it looks like they have now been instructed to just drop customers, regardless of how long you have been with them, or what you are paying or have paid.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Give-up-my-copper-phone-line-to-upgrade-to-7525-27303643 Fri, 06 Jul 2012 12:30:06 EDT Re: Give up my copper phone line to upgrade to 75\25? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Give-up-my-copper-phone-line-to-upgrade-to-7525-27303584
BTW, it's 75/35.
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Understand that VZ want to get rid of the copper but my preference is to hold on to it as long as I can; anyone else encountered this and any hints on escalating\other paths w\in VZ? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Give-up-my-copper-phone-line-to-upgrade-to-7525-27303520 Fri, 06 Jul 2012 11:41:05 EDT