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Spice300
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Re: [Exede] $9.99/GB if you want more

As if terrestrial fiber optic Internet service costs more than a satellite FIOS would have to cost 10 times more than the satellite to have the effect on the price of the service that you asset. The equipment and installation are not subsidized because the equipment is leased and the installation fee is renamed to a bogus activation fee. This was the same BS that cable TV companies were doing in the 1980's that led to federal regulation to forbid it. The greatly increased bandwidth of Viasat-1 means that Exede could offer higher speeds, higher caps and reduced price while increasing their profit compared to legacy Wildblue. The executives chose not to, plain and simple.
DrStrangLov
join:2012-03-28

DrStrangLov

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said by Spice300:

The executives chose not to, plain and simple.

Its Hughes "move," ViaSat did not "rock the boat," essentially.

"...ViaSat will be able to compete on price given what he said are Hughes’ higher monthly subscriber fees.

He also said ViaSat-1 has room to increase the bandwidth offered subscribers beyond the current package of 3 megabits per second uplink and 12 megabits per second downlink."
»Re: [Exede] Wait for gen 4? 4g?

Both Hughes and ViaSat's birds have enormous capacity, so unless they can find commercial interests, they will have to lower prices and/or increase DAPs, especially if they go after DSL market place. There aren't enough buying rural folks to overload all of their birds (Anik-F2, WB-1, ViaSat-1, Spaceway 3, Gen IV).

If all of these birds can only be used for broadband, then sooner or later, prices/daps will change.

grohgreg
Dunno. Ask The Chief
join:2001-07-05
Dawson Springs, KY

grohgreg

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said by DrStrangLov:

Its Hughes "move," ViaSat did not "rock the boat," essentially.

BS. ViaSat rocked the boat the instant they offered "less for more". I know you do your best to underplay that little detail, but it's still incontestable fact. When you get into 5MB connections and above, speed becomes FAR less important than how much data you can download with it - before being penalized. In that arena, ViaSat/Exede will almost certainly have to play catchup with HughesNet/Gen4.

Those 25Mb/s ViaSat speeds by the way, are essentially allocated to enterprise accounts.

//greg//
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said by grohgreg:

RE: ViaSat did not "rock the boat,"

BS. ViaSat rocked the boat the instant they offered "less for more".

It didn't break "Hughes heart." Rocking the boat is giving "more for less," which means the competion has to lower their prices/etc. But again, those on NRTC/DISH/DirecTV got the same GBytes on the basic plan.

Those 25Mb/s ViaSat speeds by the way, are essentially allocated to enterprise accounts.

When I first got on Exede 5, it was extremely fast speeds, upto 38 mbps....then they throttled it back to 5 mbps, even during off-peak hours. I discussed this in several posts, btw. Then, they opened the speeds up again.

It really makes no sense to throttle if few people are on-line...their traffic shapping program can clamp down when needed. And yes, their traffic shaping program clamps down during primetime hours, as my current status posts have shown.

Hence, during off peak hours, why throttle...its better to get the user's 'business' over...as soon as possible. It serves no purpose to drag, drag, and drag out the session with lower speeds.
JSheridan
join:2006-07-03
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said by Spice300:

As if terrestrial fiber optic Internet service costs more than a satellite FIOS would have to cost 10 times more than the satellite to have the effect on the price of the service that you asset. The equipment and installation are not subsidized because the equipment is leased and the installation fee is renamed to a bogus activation fee. This was the same BS that cable TV companies were doing in the 1980's that led to federal regulation to forbid it. The greatly increased bandwidth of Viasat-1 means that Exede could offer higher speeds, higher caps and reduced price while increasing their profit compared to legacy Wildblue. The executives chose not to, plain and simple.

They have to pay for fiber to the gateways and a boat load of bandwidth to the internet PLUS the cost of the satellites, etc., etc. No matter what the facts and the numbers say I know you think that those greedy companies are just ripping you off, so enjoy the hate. Better yet, why don't you start a satellite ISP and show us how it's done. If it's as great as you say it should be we'll all sign up.
TexasRebel
join:2011-05-29
Edgewood, TX

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Dude will you stop being a goddam cheerleader for corporate greed?? Fiber does not cost that damn much to plant.. You act like it's made of some precious mineral that they have to mine for on Titan, one of the moons of Saturn.

ViaSat spent somewhere around $500 million to get the satellite built, launched, parked in a orbital slot and then all the ground infrastructure in place.. It's a chuck of change, but you forget ViaSat is a huge company that has many other business units that are making it money..

Just STFU with, `why don't you create you own satellite ISP', you know if I had the money, I'd gone with a Stratellite model. Extremely high altitude blimps carrying the same electronics which would probably be less weight.. Unfortunately, I don't have a too big to fail bank to loan me the money, which is printed out of effin thin air..

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said by grohgreg:

Those 25Mb/s ViaSat speeds by the way, are essentially allocated to enterprise accounts.

ViaSat has been fine tuning their system.

For instance on Youtube (or other video content sites):

A. In the beginning, there use to be "stall-outs" (buffering) sometimes.

B. Currently, there is an initial burst to get video running, and then the visual "slidebar" on Youtube's vid may go extremely fast with the complete video queued on your computer.

Hence, if traffic shapping program "sees" more bandwidth is available, it will deliver "full speed ahead" now.

An user's download speed, like on a video, can exceed their plan (5/12).

I have no idea if this is done on WB legacy, but this new traffic shaping for video is about getting content delivered as soon as possible.

Exede is not about a "metered or constant" speed, but its about getting the job done, at the fastest speed possible, for video.
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grohgreg
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Dawson Springs, KY

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Re: [Exede] $9.99/GB if you want more

said by DrStrangLov:

I have no idea ...

On that you're correct. Perhaps you'd have dissembled less had I phrased it differently; "Plans advertising 25Mb/s and higher will likely be marketed as large business and Enterprise accounts". That said, expect such offerings to be marketed in the same manner as were WB business and enterprise plans; that is, by 3rd party vendors. Same satellite, different branding.

You're not doing readers any favors with this "traffic shaping" mumbo jumbo either. What's actually happening is little more than another approach to web acceleration; an in-network compression of content. This technique uses farms of Cisco blade servers to pre-process popular Web content into a compressed form. This means compressed content necessarily travels alongside uncompressed content over the network. The compressed content is decompressed on-the-fly once it is delivered to your Surfbeam2, and delivered to your computer as a plain vanilla bitstream. Sounds good on paper. But this particular approach brings with it the issue of synchronizing the decompressed content with the uncompressed content before rendering the aggregate in a browser. When this "sync" is weak or broken, 3rd party software - particularly those that use data compressed OUTSIDE the Exede network - can get confused. Had you understood this, we'd have been spared those uninformed ramblings about video compression that you foisted on us last week.

//greg//
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said by grohgreg:

had I phrased it differently; "Plans advertising 25Mb/s and higher will likely be marketed as large business and Enterprise accounts".

I think that's a no brainer...but those with disposable income, B. Gates, Warren Buffet, etc., could acquire it.

You're not doing readers any favors with this "traffic shaping" mumbo jumbo either.

Traffic Cop decides how much and when...for those who don't have a Committed Access Rate (re: CIR) account.

This technique uses farms of Cisco blade servers to pre-process popular Web content into a compressed form. .....
Had you understood this, we'd have been spared those uninformed ramblings about video compression that you foisted on us last week.

Here you go Gregg, HTML5 is about using video that has been compressed, without "farms of Cisco blade servers."

The Things You Need to Know about HTML5 Video Formats
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H.264/MPEG-4 is a standard for video compression, and is currently one of the most commonly used formats for the recording, compression, and distribution of high definition video.
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»www.sothinkmedia.com/blo ··· formats/
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Spice300
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Re: [Exede] $9.99/GB if you want more

said by JSheridan:

Better yet, why don't you start a satellite ISP and show us how it's done. If it's as great as you say it should be we'll all sign up.

Announcing initial stock offering for BetterSat LLC. of 70 million shares. Only $10 / share with a minimum purchase of 10,000 shares. Get in on the ground floor because the sky is the limit.

With a capacity of 100 Tb/s and 200 spot beams our satellite will cover all of North America and Hawaii supporting 1.5 million customers. That's 8.3 MB/s/customer sustained with no usage limit, no FAP, no DAP, no nanny, no NMP. We will raise residential broadband Internet access via satellite to a new level of consumer satisfaction. Every Internet protocol that can tolerate a 500 to 600 ms latency will be supported. We will smother the competition. We will create our own continental installation network of internally trained and certified installers. Bad installs will be a thing of the past. Our customer service reps will be citizens of the country to which they sell service. They will be trained and our policies fair and honest.

We anticipate the cost of the service to be around $30 / month with an installation fee of $200 returning 8 billion gross over the 15 year minimum lifetime of the satellite
JSheridan
join:2006-07-03
USA

JSheridan

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said by Spice300:

said by JSheridan:

Better yet, why don't you start a satellite ISP and show us how it's done. If it's as great as you say it should be we'll all sign up.

Announcing initial stock offering for BetterSat LLC. of 70 million shares. Only $10 / share with a minimum purchase of 10,000 shares. Get in on the ground floor because the sky is the limit.

With a capacity of 100 Tb/s and 200 spot beams our satellite will cover all of North America and Hawaii supporting 1.5 million customers. That's 8.3 MB/s/customer sustained with no usage limit, no FAP, no DAP, no nanny, no NMP. We will raise residential broadband Internet access via satellite to a new level of consumer satisfaction. Every Internet protocol that can tolerate a 500 to 600 ms latency will be supported. We will smother the competition. We will create our own continental installation network of internally trained and certified installers. Bad installs will be a thing of the past. Our customer service reps will be citizens of the country to which they sell service. They will be trained and our policies fair and honest.

We anticipate the cost of the service to be around $30 / month with an installation fee of $200 returning 8 billion gross over the 15 year minimum lifetime of the satellite

I'm in. Sign me up.
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DrStrangLov
join:2012-03-28

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Re: [Exede] $9.99/GB if you want more

said by TexasRebel:

Fiber itself is not that expensive.

Where I live, I was told by a telco worker it cost around $15K/mile to lay it.

I have no idea if worker was right or wrong.
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