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Re: [Serious] Celebrity chef, author Anthony Sedlak dies at 29 said by Gone:said by Ian:A shit-load of cocaine or heroin in the bloodstream is "an undiagnosed medical condition". No it isn't. It's a drug overdose. Are you aware of a full toxicology report? I'm not.
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| said by Ian:Are you aware of a full toxicology report? I'm not. Nope, but I'm equally aware that the phrase "undetermined causes" would apply pending the outcome of such a report if there was any reason to suspect that an overdose might be the cause, rather than undiagnosed medical condition. |
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| said by Gone:said by Ian:Are you aware of a full toxicology report? I'm not. Nope, but I'm equally aware that the phrase "undetermined causes" would apply pending the outcome of such a report if there was any reason to suspect that an overdose might be the cause, rather than undiagnosed medical condition. So we are all guessing? I stand by my original guess.
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kudos:3 | said by Ian:So we are all guessing? I stand by my original guess. I thought you didn't care, Ian? |
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kudos:1 | I don't. Do you? |
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| said by Ian:I don't. Do you? From all your posts, you seem to care about it even more than I do. Lying? Or just enjoying the argument? |
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London, ON | reply to NCRGuy
said by NCRGuy:said by dirtyjeffer:some reports are saying his motto was "live fast, die young".
Wikipedia is saying that, making reference to an "earlier interview" yet for some reason I can find nothing to support that. it was mentioned in Wiki, but there are articles that mention it.
for example:
»www.tvweek.com/blogs/tvbizwire/2···---a.php
but i couldn't find the "original" interview in question either, so who knows.
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dirtyjefferAnons on ignore, but not due to fear.Premium
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said by Ian:said by Gone:said by Ian:29 year old celebrity dies and I think drugs. Shame on me. We'll see. I would have done the same and considered it perfectly reasonable to make that same assumption, if not for the whole "undiagnosed medical condition" phrase that you and another poster have decided to ignore and/or assume is a lie. I don't think anyone has ignored it. A shit-load of cocaine or heroin in the bloodstream is "an undiagnosed medical condition". What I took from the initial story was that they didn't know how he died. There WAS no toxicology done, etc. It may well have been innocent. i'm not saying it could have been heroine or cocaine, but if he did OD and had a cardiac arrest, is that not a medical condition??...i have to somewhat agree with Ian here...whether it was a reaction of prescription drugs, hard street drugs, or just simply some sort of cardiomyopathy that wasn't known about...when medics arrive, all they know is he may have suffered from cardiac arrest, without knowing specifically why he suffered it...further testing (autopsy, toxicology, etc) can determine how and why exactly, but that will likely take a few weeks, and then it will be up to the family to release the details...as well, if it does turn up bad (hard drugs), it is possible we never hear about it, to not tarnish his memory.
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| said by dirtyjeffer:i'm not saying it could have been heroine or cocaine, but if he did OD and had a cardiac arrest, is that not a medical condition?? No. It would be a drug overdose. The only time it could be an 'undiagnosed medical condition' is if he had some sort of unknown arrhythmia which was triggered by drugs that would have otherwise not been fatal to a healthy person. Even in the remote chance that it was that specific circumstance that killed him, you -still- couldn't claim the drugs killed him. Trying to draw that parallel would be like trying to claim that soccer killed Piermario Morosini, which is so ludicrous that no one would take you seriously. A defective heart was what killed him, not soccer.
Trying to draw a parallel between "undiagnosed medical condition" and drugs without any evidence to base those claims upon is such a stretch that it enters into the realm of being irrational. I'm not saying it's impossible, but based on what has been said so far it is an extremely foolish argument to make, which is all the more amusing since that stretch is being made by someone who claims to not care. |
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Coastie | There's no autopsy to be performed. so I presume its not under "suspicious" circumstances. Its not a released medical condition. But I really doubt its drug related. In that case an autopsy would be performed and/or it would, at the very least, be investigated.
He was, according to reports, on some crazy diet and exercised (bike riding) a lot. Lost a lot of weight very rapidly.
Certain diets and overexercising can, in some cases, lead to heart problems.
I wish, although its really nobody's business, the family would release some kind of COD. This would dampen any wild speculation.
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dirtyjefferAnons on ignore, but not due to fear.Premium
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said by Gone:said by dirtyjeffer:i'm not saying it could have been heroine or cocaine, but if he did OD and had a cardiac arrest, is that not a medical condition?? No. It would be a drug overdose. but you would only know if it was a drug overdose with a toxicology report...again, when i say drugs, not just cocaine and heroine, but perhaps prescription pain killers reacting badly with booze or other accidental deaths...there have been plenty of "celebs" die in the last few years because of that...they aren't coke heads, alcoholics or whatever...many of them are by accident.
at the scene of where he was discovered, the paramedics may know that he died of a cardiac arrest, which is a medical condition...the next thing would be to determine WHY he had a cardiac arrest...yes, it could be some arrhythmia problem, just like it could have been a deadly mix of "legal" or even illegal drugs...personally, he doesn't "look" like the kind of person who would do illegal drugs, but that is often the case these days anyway.
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dirtyjefferAnons on ignore, but not due to fear.Premium
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said by capdjq:There's no autopsy to be performed. so I presume its not under "suspicious" circumstances. Its not a released medical condition. But I really doubt its drug related. In that case an autopsy would be performed and/or it would, at the very least, be investigated.
He was, according to reports, on some crazy diet and exercised (bike riding) a lot. Lost a lot of weight very rapidly.
Certain diets and overexercising can, in some cases, lead to heart problems.
I wish, although its really nobody's business, the family would release some kind of COD. This would dampen any wild speculation.
it very well could be legit issues...the problem is, if it comes back as something "bad", it is possible the family may not want to release it so he doesn't lose that "good guy" image people know him as having.
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said by dirtyjeffer:but you would only know if it was a drug overdose with a toxicology report...again, when i say drugs, not just cocaine and heroine, but perhaps prescription pain killers reacting badly with booze or other accidental deaths. But the point that you and others are missing is that in the circumstances you've described the death is considered suspicious and is investigated, with the cause being "undetermined" pending the results of an autopsy. While the results of the investigation may not be released to the public, the fact that an investigation itself is ongoing is a matter of public record that any reporter could easily obtain and publish. The fact that there was no investigation, no autopsy and the family released a statement that he died from an undiagnosed medical condition would lead any reasonable person to believe that it most likely was not a death due to drugs, and that the family is not lying about what happened.
His death very well could have been a suicide and the undiagnosed medical condition was a mental illness, but the likelihood of it being due to drugs and the family is lying is a real stretch considering all the factors I've listed above. |
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dirtyjefferAnons on ignore, but not due to fear.Premium
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London, ON | i know what you are saying, and i don't disagree with you...as well, i wasn't saying the family would hide it...just throwing possibilities out there...i never thought about the suicide angle. |
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IanPremium
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The hell? That never occurred to me either. |
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dirtyjefferAnons on ignore, but not due to fear.Premium
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Sylvester Stallone's oldest son Sage (36) was just found dead in his home as well.
»www.newsday.com/entertainment/ce···.3837421 |
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kudos:5 | There has suddenly been a spate of high-profile deaths appearing on the CNN news page. Another was one of Obama's campaign staffers, coincidentally also 29:
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London, ON | i will be celebrating my 41st birthday in a few weeks...i suppose i should be happy i made it this long.  |
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said by capdjq:....He was, according to reports, on some crazy diet and exercised (bike riding) a lot. Lost a lot of weight very rapidly.
Certain diets and overexercising can, in some cases, lead to heart problems....
BIKE riding ?
Our beloved JF might be at risk ! 
Someone should warn him.
As for the young chef, it's a shame, yes, and y'all have covered most of the possible causes.
But what about FOOD poisoning ?  |
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