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neonhomer
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[TV] A different NBC affiliate

We know that WESH's agreement with BHN expired, but why an out of state affiliate? Why not a feed from Jacksonville, Tampa, or Miami, or even Atlanta....

Weird....


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said by neonhomer:

We know that WESH's agreement with BHN expired, but why an out of state affiliate? Why not a feed from Jacksonville, Tampa, or Miami, or even Atlanta....

Weird....

Thanks for the question and I understand it and the answer is we do not have an agreement to carry another NBC station from within Florida.
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xteddyx

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my understanding (correct me if i am wrong) is that due to DMA rights Brighthouse in not allowed to retransmit any other markets local CH in a foreign market ( excluding things significantly viewed out of market channels). i am still not sure exactly how Brightouse has skirted the DMA rules to provided an NBC affiliate. i have theory that has to do with WBRE being a SV in PA) but i can bet that whatever loophole they found required it to be SV and while we have a few of them in FLA they they needed to find one willing to allow retransmission.

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all though i could be wrong because this theory doesn't take into account normally the SV's can only be carried in there designated SV markets and it dose not account for Syndication Exclusivity. HMM someone at Brighthouse had there thinking cap on,


opp

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reply to neonhomer
Yeah I saw metv was gone went to 2 was Pennsylvania NBC affiliate. Saw on WESH's site what was going on, hope this is resolved soon.


BHN_GOOD

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reply to BHNtechXpert
It is good to see TWC deal this out with Hearst Television, because like all other Local channels are a waste and keep demanding revenue from Cable Co's across the country. Like Local 6 (CBS Affiliate) I can do without the crazy dispute over a few pennies per customer that and FOX 35 was a joke.

For once it would be nice to see BHN and other MSO's to be able to deal directly with the major broadcasters ( NBC - CBS - ABC ) just for the content.

Isn't it redundant to hear the same stories from all of the local affiliates when you can watch NEW13 (BHN-operated) and get all the local news all the time.

And if I felt it was Bias, I could always read the Bias local news paper or the Internet news.

Time to stop giving in the the stupid local affiliates and just deal with the content providers directly.

Good to see TWC not giving in this time. DISH & other end providers are following suit I would hope.

BHN is not cheap they are smart and offer a good value for the product's they offer.

Good riddance.


willitbeback

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will wesh return to bhn or not.

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quote:
For once it would be nice to see BHN and other MSO's to be able to deal directly with the major broadcasters ( NBC - CBS - ABC ) just for the content.
They do, already, in a way. Just looked it up, and as I suspected, Brighthouse offers Primetime On Demand just like Time Warner. The only time a local channel was ever pulled here, it was CBS for a month and a half, and this was prior to Primetime On Demand, but I’d imagine if lets say for example your local NBC affiliate is pulled, you should be able to catch all (or most) of the primetime shows On Demand in less than 24 hours after the original airing.

Personally, I could careless about local affiliates just give me the networks themselves, but I’m starting to watch less and less network TV and more and more original series on both regular cable and premium cable. The overall quality of these shows is so much better. When CBS was pulled, I watched my primetime shows and NFL football on CBS from the next market over on unencrypted QAM on cable. It felt good pulling one over on LIN Broadcasting.

Anyhow, since TWC/BHN’s contract for the primetime on demand programming comes directly from the networks themselves, I see no reason why you should be able to watch the network show On Demand if your local affiliate is pulled.
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The only problem with VOD, of course, being if the affiliate is owned & operated. Then, it all goes away.


opp

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reply to neonhomer
Tivo's changed their guide now so might be a while. I could care less about NBC, can't even remember last time I watched them but often watch metv and this guess I have to get a antenna.

HDOrlando

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reply to neonhomer
WESH/WKCF/This TV/ME TV will be back within a few weeks.

These local station disputes do not last long and Hearst is not going to want WESH to lose out on all of the ad dollars/promotion of their newscasts during The Olympics.

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said by HDOrlando:

WESH/WKCF/This TV/ME TV will be back within a few weeks.

These local station disputes do not last long and Hearst is not going to want WESH to lose out on all of the ad dollars/promotion of their newscasts during The Olympics.

IMO, these local affiliate disputes are the ultimate in stupidity (on the part of the station), because anyone with an antenna can watch them for free.

Or am I missing the point? Does the affiliate pay BHN to carry the channel? Or does BHN pay the affiliate for the right to retransmit their content?

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said by rebus9:

said by HDOrlando:

WESH/WKCF/This TV/ME TV will be back within a few weeks.

These local station disputes do not last long and Hearst is not going to want WESH to lose out on all of the ad dollars/promotion of their newscasts during The Olympics.

IMO, these local affiliate disputes are the ultimate in stupidity (on the part of the station), because anyone with an antenna can watch them for free.

Or am I missing the point? Does the affiliate pay BHN to carry the channel? Or does BHN pay the affiliate for the right to retransmit their content?

The latter. Since the local station is an FCC licensee with a statutory responsibility to serve in the public interest per the terms of their license, they have little leg to stand on (morally, not legally) to pull stunts like this. If they had to depend upon their on-air signal to justify their ad rates, they'd not be able to do it. Nationally, I believe the percentage of over-the-air viewers is down to 10 percent or so.

rebus9

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said by k2rj:

The latter. Since the local station is an FCC licensee with a statutory responsibility to serve in the public interest per the terms of their license, they have little leg to stand on (morally, not legally) to pull stunts like this. If they had to depend upon their on-air signal to justify their ad rates, they'd not be able to do it. Nationally, I believe the percentage of over-the-air viewers is down to 10 percent or so.

So WESH is apparently holding out for more money. Meanwhile the viewers are watching competing local affiliates instead, and (if your 10% figure is correct) their advertisers are unable to reach 90% of their audience. Yeah, WESH, that's real smart business.

I'm proud to be among the 10% getting content OTA. I've never had cable TV. Ever. I've watched cable programming at motels and while visiting family, but have always found it to be 500 channels of nothing to watch.

Instead, we have the largest outdoor antenna that Radio Shack makes, mounted inside our attic away from lightning and hidden from view (outdoor antennas are eyesores). I pull in about 30 local channels, crystal clear and many in HD. About the only thing we watch over-the-air is the nightly news, or weather reports during a storm.

The only thing we pay for is an $8 subscription to Netflix streaming, coupled with all the titles we get as a free bonus for being an Amazon.com Prime member. All combined, it's more programming than the entire household is able to consume. All for less than $100 a year.


opp

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Got the rabbit ears hooked up to watch svengoolie tonight. Been meaning to put a outdoor antenna up, guess this will be the motivation.


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reply to rebus9
As others have noted. this "poker game" between BHN and Hearst will not help WESH. If they do not return to BHN they will have less viewers. Less viewers = less ad revenue.

So I agree that they will cave in and return or they will be struggling for money. Advertisers don't like to lose ~50% of their audience without requiring a commensurate drop in the rates

rebus9

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reply to opp
said by opp :

Got the rabbit ears hooked up to watch svengoolie tonight. Been meaning to put a outdoor antenna up, guess this will be the motivation.

So much the better if you can mount it in your attic, hidden from view and safe from lightning.

We're lucky that nearly all of the broadcast stations have their towers concentrated in a small geographic area. The antenna is fixed, pointing in one direction and catches nearly all signals head-on. The only tower I'm aware of that's not ESE of us is close enough (signal strong enough) that the antenna doesn't need to be pointed straight at it to get good reception.


neonhomer
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reply to neonhomer
I think and interesting twist to this, and to tie another thread into this one, would be the capability to see other affiliates on BHN.

For example... Your hometown (or a place you want to go to) is Boston. Why not be able to view the NBC or CBS or ABC affiliate from that market? Have the major cities affiliates available on BHN to watch at will, to see what's happening at home... or where you might want to go.

Of course, this probably wouldn't be cheap to do, but it would be interesting.

To be honest, I usually go to CFN13 for news. Haven't watched the local news in a while. I think the only time I watch one of the networks is ABC when I watch Jeopardy or Wheel of Fortune. Other than that.. I haven't watched em. If ABC suddenly went dark, I could probably care less. I have Netflix, and a Internet connection. If I could get CFN13 online streaming.... I'd be set....
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said by neonhomer:

If I could get CFN13 online streaming.... I'd be set....

I believe CFN13 is available on iPhone and some Android devices.


Nayan

@bhn.net
If you have BH cable they have the app that allows you to watch certain channels on your ICS device. But you have to have their cable service.


BHN_GOOD

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reply to neonhomer
said by neonhomer:

I think and interesting twist to this, and to tie another thread into this one, would be the capability to see other affiliates on BHN.

For example... Your hometown (or a place you want to go to) is Boston. Why not be able to view the NBC or CBS or ABC affiliate from that market? Have the major cities affiliates available on BHN to watch at will, to see what's happening at home... or where you might want to go.

Of course, this probably wouldn't be cheap to do, but it would be interesting.

To be honest, I usually go to CFN13 for news. Haven't watched the local news in a while. I think the only time I watch one of the networks is ABC when I watch Jeopardy or Wheel of Fortune. Other than that.. I haven't watched em. If ABC suddenly went dark, I could probably care less. I have Netflix, and a Internet connection. If I could get CFN13 online streaming.... I'd be set....

This is what I mean.


willitbeback

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Several days later same question will the 1080 channel be back or not. While many dont watch it or care about it and have all kind of oddball workarounds, it is a channel I watch.


opp

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said by willitbeback :

Several days later same question will the 1080 channel be back or not. While many dont watch it or care about it and have all kind of oddball workarounds, it is a channel I watch.

Obviously yes eventually,but some have dragged on for months. I would have never guessed this would go on this long or even happened but here we are.


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reply to neonhomer
Hello Friends,

The retransmission consent agreement with Bright House Networks and Hearst Television has been completed. The agreement ensures that Bright House Networks customers will have continued access to WESH NBC, WKCF CW and Estrella in Central Florida. We very much appreciate your feedback, patience and support during these negotiations. As you know, most often the deals get done with no interruption in service to our customers. To avoid interrupting our customers' viewing during primetime hours, we will be switching all Hearst channels back to their normal position on the Bright House Networks lineup overnight on Thursday, July 19, 2012 (during the early morning hours of July 20, 2012).

Thank you!
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neonhomer
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Re: [TV] A different NBC affiliate

said by Nayan :

If you have BH cable they have the app that allows you to watch certain channels on your ICS device. But you have to have their cable service.

Yeah... BHN TV app only runs on non-rooted devices.....