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mmay149q
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Greeeeaaaat

So if I were to go with Comcast now, I guess I could count on paying whatever the monthly fee is, plus an additional $140 just to meet my requirements (Yep, that's not a typo, I can easily deal out 1TB worth of usage in a month) And seeing how Time Warner is my current provider they'll probably be next to implement this crap... Well... Looks like it's time to make sure I drive around the city and find all the open WiFi networks to leech off of when I need to download huge files

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Re: Greeeeaaaat

Or get a business account with no Cap problem solved
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...or you can get a business class account, just like Comcast allowed before. Unlike TWC, Comcast Business accounts are reasonably priced compared to residential (never more than 2x what residential pays). And they come with unlimited usage. I fail to see the problem here.

If there was a huge problem, then another ISP would advertise uncapped service and gain more customers..."another" maybe being the code word for an entirely new provider.

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Re: Greeeeaaaat

said by iansltx:

I fail to see the problem here.

The problem is forcing consumers into more expensive business class accounts that cost 2x consumer accounts. Also, just because business account come with unlimited usage now doesn't mean that will always be the case.
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Re: Greeeeaaaat

said by morbo:

said by iansltx:

I fail to see the problem here.

The problem is forcing consumers into more expensive business class accounts that cost 2x consumer accounts. Also, just because business account come with unlimited usage now doesn't mean that will always be the case.

Cite your source on the price would ya? .. and please stop spreading FUD. A business class account is NOT 2x the price of a residential. My business class account is $59 a month.. how is that twice of what residential is. I go to $69 out of contract... again, still not twice.

And I really do not see Comcast going for limits.. as far as I'm aware it's not been discussed.
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Re: Greeeeaaaat

Still a big increase. Also I wouldn't be so confident that Comcast won't apply some sort of usage billing to business accounts. They are spending millions developing this plan, and if users just all switch to Business to avoid overage fees, it will have been mostly in vain. Profit will get bumped for one quarter, but what about after that? How to sustain 30% profit growth?

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said by fiberguy:

Cite your source on the price would ya? .. and please stop spreading FUD. A business class account is NOT 2x the price of a residential.

You're right. For roughly equivalent service on the 20Mbps consumer and 22Mbps business connections, Comcast business internet plans are 3x as expensive as consumer plans during the promo period. After the promo, I believe it is about 2x as expensive but the after promo prices aren't listed.

For the 50Mbps plan, business plans are 66% more expensive.
For the 100Mbps plan, business plans cost 85% more than the consumer plan.
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Re: Greeeeaaaat

You're really bringing promo prices into this?

$60 buys you roughly the same Internet speeds on biz and resi. Blast is maybe 30% less expensive than business class. 50M is $115 vs. $190 for business, and 100M is $2000 for residential vs. $370 for business. None are 100% more expensive than residential.

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Re: Greeeeaaaat

said by iansltx:

$60 buys you roughly the same Internet speeds on biz and resi.

That is false. 12Mpbs costs $60 for businesses. There is no equivalent tier for consumers.
iansltx

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Re: Greeeeaaaat

Residential is still 12/2 in many areas. And, honestly, does 3 Mbps down really have that much of an impact for you?

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Re: Greeeeaaaat

Consumer tier is 20Mpbs, not 15Mpbs. Maybe you should look at the screen shots I posted above.
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Re: Greeeeaaaat

Post-Powerboost speeds are 20M?

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Re: Greeeeaaaat

You know, I'm not sure if Comcast is saying 20Mbps plus powerboost or up to 20Mpbs with powerboost. If it is the latter it is especially confusing.
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Re: Greeeeaaaat

It is the latter.
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To keep in thread here.. business tiers provision faster than base so that business gets a more consistent speed experience. The base tiers on business and residential are basically the same.
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Dude.. seriously?? You don't know how to compare well.. you're also showing a chart with an introductory price?

If you want to compare speed tiers in the higher levels, I won't even begin to entertain your arguments.. people here are complaining about data transfer and how video has an effect.. you don't need 22 and 50 to stream, do you??? No.. you don't. Further, I've already posted in other comments a valid speed test using a real sustained speed test method - not flash. Business tiers actually consistently exceed 12mb in general. All the accounts I have through out comcast typically hit 22.. they don't provision them the same as residential tiers.. you can't sell a 12mb tier to business and fall below it the same you can a residential. For the most part, 12b and 22r are about the same tiers.

you want a tier that's unlimited so you can stream, the 12mb tier business with out caps is fine. Besides, THEY are not pushing you to business just to stream.. that's not corporate speak.

Next?

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Re: Greeeeaaaat

Both screenshots are directly from Comcast's website. Introductory prices are fair game for comparisons. The basic internet plan is 2x as expensive as the business plan (3x when considering the introductory pricing). For the others:

50Mbps plan, business plans are 66% more expensive.
100Mbps plan, business plans cost 85% more than the consumer plan.

88615298
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said by mmay149q:

So if I were to go with Comcast now, I guess I could count on paying whatever the monthly fee is, plus an additional $140 just to meet my requirements (Yep, that's not a typo, I can easily deal out 1TB worth of usage in a month) And seeing how Time Warner is my current provider they'll probably be next to implement this crap... Well... Looks like it's time to make sure I drive around the city and find all the open WiFi networks to leech off of when I need to download huge files

Matt

If you need that much get a business account. I'm curious as to what kind of huge files you are downloading that you need 1 TB of data. If it's business related you need a business account. If it's of questionable legality Comcast is under no obligation to provide you with that either.

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Re: Greeeeaaaat

Absent some sort of complaint by a party (e.g. RIAA, MPAA, legal authorities, etc.) or a evidence of violating the TOS, all bandwidth that he consumes should be presumed to be legal. Thus, just because he's downloading 1 TB / monthly, he shouldn't be subjected to increased scrutiny absent a reasonable belief that he is engaging in illegal activity or violations of the TOS.

It's a fine line, but we need to remember that if we give an inch, they'll take a mile and so we need to ensure that merely deviating from the norm - the average - doesn't result in heightened scrutiny.

mmay149q
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said by 88615298:

said by mmay149q:

So if I were to go with Comcast now, I guess I could count on paying whatever the monthly fee is, plus an additional $140 just to meet my requirements (Yep, that's not a typo, I can easily deal out 1TB worth of usage in a month) And seeing how Time Warner is my current provider they'll probably be next to implement this crap... Well... Looks like it's time to make sure I drive around the city and find all the open WiFi networks to leech off of when I need to download huge files

Matt

If you need that much get a business account. I'm curious as to what kind of huge files you are downloading that you need 1 TB of data. If it's business related you need a business account. If it's of questionable legality Comcast is under no obligation to provide you with that either.

Outside of my day job I do a lot of PC repair for people (mostly just virus removal) and so I download a LOT of new tools all the time and etc for different uses, I have a all the different Windows install files on my machine zipped for different installations (XP, Vista, 7 x86 and x64) and I host them off my PC so I can get to them quick and easy, I also play a lot of video games, and watch a LOT of Netflix and unlicensed anime (which is NOT illegal) as well, and stream just about every new music I find from YouTube... With all this combined it's not hard to see where I can use 1TB in a month (usually around 500 - 750 gig) and my upload is almost always 2x my download because of all the files I need.

With this yes you could justify and say that I need a business account, however that's really not relevant seeing as how up until the last few years internet has ALWAYS been unlimited and this has not seemed to affect any users except the users that are on neighborhood nodes that were over subscribed, which is not the consumers fault, that's the companies fault. Every time I've needed my connection and it has been unavailable due to upgrades, outages, or etc, it's not like I call in and scream and complain about how this is affecting my business or etc because I know this is a residential account.

The real issue at stake here is that they are forcing regular customers to pay extra money for new services THEY THEMSELVES (the carriers) HAVE NOT provided/create so IE if you're going to use their network like I do to watch all your shows via Netflix, or etc, instead of buying a cable/satellite/IPTV subscription, and not only that, but customers are paying for all kinds of things with this kind of billing plan, That 300MB Windows Service Pack just take you over your cap for the month? Well guess what? Now you get to pay your carrier for Windows updates, plus since these GB's you pay for DON'T roll over, and you don't get a discount, if you paid the extra $10 for 50GB and only used 5GB, where's the extra 45GB? Where's the $9 that should be returned to you? So now I have to pay for extra that I don't get back when I don't use it all?

Honestly, I really seriously can't believe all the people in here defending these decisions... you're blatantly getting screwed and not even caring about, you want to know what's wrong with me, or etc, and why I use my connection the way I do and etc, but really what's wrong with you to accept 20 + years for the most part of unlimited services and now all the sudden that's not ok anymore... there's no bandwidth apocalypse, the only way that would happen is if the carriers NEVER upgraded their product, which is exactly why they want to offer these plans, so they can skimp upgrades because people will be too scared to actually use their internet connection past browsing Facebook, some light YouTube usage, and emails... that's ridiculous, the internet was created to be a playing field of innovation, and y'all are defending the destruction of that ability..... There's nothing wrong with me, or using my connection the way I do... That is all.

Matt
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