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<description><![CDATA[NetFixer posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/737689" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=737689');">GuruGuy</a>:</said><p>My setting is exactly like your picture, without the "no banner ads" setting.  I would bet it's the Premium membership that allows you to disable showing the ads.<br> </p></div>I just clicked on the "register" link from a non-logged in session (to see if I could see any explanation of exactly what is included with premium membership), and it would appear that this site is not currently accepting new premium members. I wonder what's up with that?<br><br>[att=1]<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://nature-pics.com">We can never have enough of nature.</a><br>We need to witness our own limits transgressed, and some life pasturing freely where we never wander.</small><div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/27405057?c=2023912&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyNzMyNzYxNS54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="41723 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=480 SRC="/r0/download/2023912.thumb600~463766f3ae444be7b75379429e06caf1/DSLR_NoPremium.png/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A></TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[GuruGuy posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1030204" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1030204');">NetFixer</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/737689" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=737689');">GuruGuy</a>:</said><p>I have no setting called "no banner ads" in any tab within the member settings, including the member/account tab.<br><br>You appear to be a premium member....wonder if that's why you have that setting.<br><br> </p></div>The screen shot below shows where I see that setting, and perhaps you are correct about the premium membership being the reason...I was not aware of that since I have always been a premium member (I needed that so that I could use tool points for certain site features that a couple of clients required me to use).<br><br>[att=1]<br> </p></div>My setting is exactly like your picture, without the "no banner ads" setting.  I would bet it's the Premium membership that allows you to disable showing the ads.<br><small>--<br>GuruGuy</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[NetFixer posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/737689" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=737689');">GuruGuy</a>:</said><p>I have no setting called "no banner ads" in any tab within the member settings, including the member/account tab.<br><br>You appear to be a premium member....wonder if that's why you have that setting.<br><br> </p></div>The screen shot below shows where I see that setting, and perhaps you are correct about the premium membership being the reason...I was not aware of that since I have always been a premium member (I needed that so that I could use tool points for certain site features that a couple of clients required me to use).<br><br>[att=1]<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://nature-pics.com">We can never have enough of nature.</a><br>We need to witness our own limits transgressed, and some life pasturing freely where we never wander.</small><div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/27405040?c=2023910&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyNzMyNzYxNS54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="99378 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=470 SRC="/r0/download/2023910.thumb600~adbf27844330a895021061e7f98c3736/DSLR_Members_Account.png/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A></TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[GuruGuy posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1030204" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1030204');">NetFixer</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1808887" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1808887');">jupitermoon</a>:</said><p>I normally don't log in unless I'm going to post. When I logged in, Google Adsense was gone.<br><br>This site has "built-in Google ad blocking"? Where is that? I checked all the Preferences settings under the Members tab but I didn't see anything like that. The image you posted looks like you enabled web site blocking in your Comcast router.<br> </p></div>The "Google ad blocking" is actually called "No banner ads" and it is located in the Members/Account tab.<br><br>Yes, I do have web site blocking enabled in my Comcast gateway router. That is where I found that I had to temporarily enable googlesyndication.com before I could actually see the DSLR Google ads (even if I had temporarily enabled everything in NoScript). <br><br>Below is a screen shot of this forum when I am not logged in. You can see that googlesyndication.com is showing as an automatic block by NoScript (it is not there when logged in). However even if I allow it in NoScript, I still don't see the ads because googlesyndication (and other tracking sites) are blocked in my router.<br><br>[att=1]<br><br>FWIW, I don't use the web site blocking or NoScript specifically as an ad blocker. I consider it a privacy/security block, but third party ad blocking is a nice side benefit.  Sites that don't use the tracking sites that I block and/or offsite iframes for their ads are rewarded by having their ads displayed (and I have no problem with that; I am not opposed to sites using ads to defray their costs in the same manner that broadcast and print media use ads).<br> </p></div>I have no setting called "no banner ads" in any tab within the member settings, including the member/account tab.<br><br>You appear to be a premium member....wonder if that's why you have that setting.<br><br><small>--<br>GuruGuy</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[NetFixer posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1808887" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1808887');">jupitermoon</a>:</said><p>I normally don't log in unless I'm going to post. When I logged in, Google Adsense was gone.<br><br>This site has "built-in Google ad blocking"? Where is that? I checked all the Preferences settings under the Members tab but I didn't see anything like that. The image you posted looks like you enabled web site blocking in your Comcast router.<br> </p></div>The "Google ad blocking" is actually called "No banner ads" and it is located in the Members/Account tab.<br><br>Yes, I do have web site blocking enabled in my Comcast gateway router. That is where I found that I had to temporarily enable googlesyndication.com before I could actually see the DSLR Google ads (even if I had temporarily enabled everything in NoScript). <br><br>Below is a screen shot of this forum when I am not logged in. You can see that googlesyndication.com is showing as an automatic block by NoScript (it is not there when logged in). However even if I allow it in NoScript, I still don't see the ads because googlesyndication (and other tracking sites) are blocked in my router.<br><br>[att=1]<br><br>FWIW, I don't use the web site blocking or NoScript specifically as an ad blocker. I consider it a privacy/security block, but third party ad blocking is a nice side benefit.  Sites that don't use the tracking sites that I block and/or offsite iframes for their ads are rewarded by having their ads displayed (and I have no problem with that; I am not opposed to sites using ads to defray their costs in the same manner that broadcast and print media use ads).<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://nature-pics.com">We can never have enough of nature.</a><br>We need to witness our own limits transgressed, and some life pasturing freely where we never wander.</small><div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/27405029?c=2023909&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyNzMyNzYxNS54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="204509 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=480 SRC="/r0/download/2023909.thumb600~264a6718c5123a738e0825905a42584c/DSLR_googlesyndication.png/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A></TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[jupitermoon posted : I normally don't log in unless I'm going to post. When I logged in, Google Adsense was gone.<br><br>This site has "built-in Google ad blocking"? Where is that? I checked all the Preferences settings under the Members tab but I didn't see anything like that. The image you posted looks like you enabled web site blocking in your Comcast router.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[NetFixer posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1808887" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1808887');">jupitermoon</a>:</said><p>To get back on topic:<br><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1163016" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1163016');">HarryH3</a>:</said><p>Even this very page has links to googleapis.com and google-analytics.com.</p></div>Ghostery only finds two trackers on this page: Google Adsense and Google Analytics.<br><br>I'm not running NoScript, but from Net Fixer's and Juggernaut's posts back on page 1, it looks like NoScript blocks google-analytics.com and googleapis.com.<br><br>Is googleapis.com tied into Google Adsense? If not, wonder why Ghostery is not blocking it. Or why NoScript is not blocking Google Adsense.<br> </p></div>I think that the Google Adsense is only visible to non-members, or members who don't use this site's built-in Google ad blocking option. Give me a couple of minutes and I will log out and verify if that is the case.<br><br>EDIT:<br>OK, I just got through with temporarily disabling the site blocking in my perimeter router, logging into this site anonymously, and temporarily telling NoScript to allow everything for this site. After that I did see Google ads, and links to google.com/..../adsense/... and also links to doubleclick.net. After restoring my network and browser config to normal, I now only see the NoScript blocked google-analytics and googleapis entries in the NoScript menu. I think that googlesyndication.com was the gateway to the other google sites that I saw without my normal google blocking code.<br><br>[att=1]<br><br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://nature-pics.com">We can never have enough of nature.</a><br>We need to witness our own limits transgressed, and some life pasturing freely where we never wander.</small><div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/27403301?c=2023761&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyNzMyNzYxNS54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="66107 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=431 SRC="/r0/download/2023761.thumb600~45ae7993d19c4924454d55d9460d63d4/SMC_SiteBlocking.png/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A></TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[jupitermoon posted : To get back on topic:<br><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1163016" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1163016');">HarryH3</a>:</said><p>Even this very page has links to googleapis.com and google-analytics.com.</p></div>Ghostery only finds two trackers on this page: Google Adsense and Google Analytics.<br><br>I'm not running NoScript, but from Net Fixer's and Juggernaut's posts back on page 1, it looks like NoScript blocks google-analytics.com and googleapis.com.<br><br>Is googleapis.com tied into Google Adsense? If not, wonder why Ghostery is not blocking it. Or why NoScript is not blocking Google Adsense.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[jupitermoon posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/403861" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=403861');">Mele20</a>:</said><p>If there is only one SATA 6.0 port then does that mean that if you choose the configuration with either the SSD 32GB or 250GB (if you can afford the latter) that it runs on the SATA 6.0 port and then the main hard drive has to run on SATA 3.0 port???</p></div>There is only one SATA 3.0 port (6Gb/s). The rest are all SATA 2.0 ports (3Gb/s).<br><br>From what I have read on the Dell forums, no. It appears Dell puts the HDD on the lone SATA 3.0 port (6Gb/s) and the mSATA SSD on a SATA 2.0 port (3Gb/s). You can add a second SATA 3.0 HDD, but it will run at SATA 2.0 speeds because there isn't another SATA 3.0 port to connect it to.<br><br>Here are a couple of threads you might want to look at:<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://en.community.dell.com/support-forums/desktop/f/3514/p/19456927/20141266.aspx#20141266" >en.community.dell.com/support-fo&middot;&middot;&middot;20141266</A><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://en.community.dell.com/support-forums/desktop/f/3514/p/19459285/20152297.aspx#20152297" >en.community.dell.com/support-fo&middot;&middot;&middot;20152297</A><br><br>Some users claim to have bumped up the memory to 32GB on the XPS 8500.<br><br>If you want the links, let me know and I'll PM them.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Name Game posted : I personally think you got a good thing going here..and we all want to know your final decision when you do buy a new box.<br>Understand your frustration.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Mele20 posted : THIS IS VERY OT. Maybe this discussion could be moved to a new thread?<br><br>Sigh.  I looked at HP computers...higher end...they are junk and get horrible reviews at least the ones I looked at. I can't buy from a boutique higher end maker (like Maingear or Falcon Northwest) because of shipping costs if any problems arise...it would be ok with a laptop but not desktop so I don't know what I will do.  <br><br>I missed that thread you linked to but had picked up in more recent threads at Dell forum the fact that there is only one SATA 6.0 port instead of the 2 stated originally. I don't want a RAID configuration but still would want the second hard drive to run on SATA 6.0 port.  I am really confused now though. If there is only one SATA 6.0 port then does that mean that if you choose the configuration with either the SSD 32GB or 250GB (if you can afford the latter) that it runs on the SATA 6.0 port and then the main hard drive has to run on SATA 3.0 port???<br><br>Then there are issues with the 8500 like the sound card mess. You can't put those old Creative cards you found on the Dell site in the 8500 (assuming Dell gets the PCIe slots problem solved) as Dell would probably say that violates the warranty because they are not approved parts and they have driver problems on Win 7 anyway but work fine on XP. Dell has only two parts listed for the 8500 and those are two Creative cards. One is a newer one (late 2011) that is evidently being sold outside the USA mostly and the other is the highest priced older Xi-Fi card which I don't think will work with my 4 speakers plus big subwoofer. I tried to ask about why Dell doesn't have a sound card on the configurator as they did for the 8300 and got answers from Dell associates that didn't answer my question.  Plus, will a Creative sound card work with Windows 8 as I may end up with it? Plus, I suspect Dell has high prices on the two they list for the 8500 but no one seems to know the price. I basically got "idiot" responses from Dell to my question.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://en.community.dell.com/support-forums/desktop/f/3513/p/19459585/20153652.aspx#20153652" >en.community.dell.com/support-fo&middot;&middot;&middot;20153652</A><br><br>Then there is the maximum RAM issue. Dell apparently no longer is saying that one can add up to 32MB RAM. I am NOT getting caught in this lie about available RAM AGAIN! Dell lied about the available RAM in the XPS 600 that I have. Now it looks like Dell's earlier statement that they would be offering the XPS 8500 with more than 16GB RAM later this year is another lie! Apparently, but no clear answer on it that I have seen, this machine is limited to 16MB RAM..mobo issue I suppose like with my XPS 600.<br><br>Dell should rename this machine. Part of the problem (aside from Dell's lying about the SATA 6 ports, maximum RAM,, etc) is that the XPS 8500 is not an XPS as Dell buyers have known it in the past. It stopped being an XPS when Dell acquired Alienware. My XPS 600 would today be sold as Alienware Aurora. Even if I had the money for Aurora it is still Sandybridge processor and is even larger than my XPS 600. There appear to be NO consumer type desktops anymore in the medium size range. They are small form factor and very difficult to work inside because of that. <br><br>I am very, very unhappy and frustrated. Plus, I just read Microsoft released Windows 8 to OEM today so how much longer will machines with Win 7 be offered? <br><small>--<br>When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.  Thomas Jefferson</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[jupitermoon posted : I didn't know about the PCIe slot issue, but I lost interest after I'd read that Dell lied about the number of SATA 3.0 ports on the 8500. Dell originally advertised two SATA 3.0 and two SATA 2.0, but there's only one SATA 3.0! Who equips a new PC with only one SATA 3.0 port? If the PCIe slots are screwed up, forget adding a PCIe card with SATA 3.0 ports.<br><br>What are you looking at now? Dell now claims the Alienware is the only consumer PC with two SATA 3.0 ports.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://en.community.dell.com/support-forums/desktop/f/3514/p/19451054/20113833.aspx#20113833" >en.community.dell.com/support-fo&middot;&middot;&middot;20113833</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[antdude posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/403861" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=403861');">Mele20</a>:</said><p>Oh, ok. This problem is only on the new XPS 8500 desktop.<br> </p></div>Thanks. :)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[antdude posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/403861" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=403861');">Mele20</a>:</said><p>I'm a little confused. You mean the nVidia GForce 8800GTX PCIe card?  I'm not sure why you would want to put that old of a card on a new XPS 8500 machine but if you did I doubt it would work.<br><br>Dell liaison posted about a hour ago in the thread at Dell forums and said that this matter of non functional PCIe x1 slots on the new Dell XPS 8500 "has been escalated to the highest levels. Many eyes are on it." <br><br>This Dell employee has offered the two Dell certified PCIe Creative cards that Parts lists for the 8500 free to the first two USA 8500 owners who contact him. Dell wants them to test the cards and report if the cards are found by the operating system and report back to him. <br> </p></div>Sorry I meant Dell XPS 8000 model. I fixed my typo.<br><small>--<br>Ant @ AQFL.net and AntFarm.ma.cx. Please do not IM/e-mail me for technical support. Use this forum or better, &raquo;<A HREF="http://community.norton.com" >community.norton.com</A> ! Disclaimer: The views expressed in this posting are mine, and do not necessarily reflect the views of my employer.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Mele20 posted : I'm a little confused. You mean the nVidia GForce 8800GTX PCIe card?  I'm not sure why you would want to put that old of a card on a new XPS 8500 machine but if you did I doubt it would work.<br><br>Dell liaison posted about a hour ago in the thread at Dell forums and said that this matter of non functional PCIe x1 slots on the new Dell XPS 8500 "has been escalated to the highest levels. Many eyes are on it." <br><br>This Dell employee has offered the two Dell certified PCIe Creative cards that Parts lists for the 8500 free to the first two USA 8500 owners who contact him. Dell wants them to test the cards and report if the cards are found by the operating system and report back to him. <br><small>--<br>When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.  Thomas Jefferson</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[antdude posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/403861" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=403861');">Mele20</a>:</said><p>It no longer matters. The XPS 8500 is SERIOUSLY FLAWED. The PCIe ports are NON functional. Dell engineers have been trying to determine why but do not know and have no solution after the issue was first reported two months ago (when it was thought that the problem only involved eSATA cards in a PCIe x1 slot) but the problem is much worse than that. Hauppauge tuner card, Creative X-Fi Titanium card (that Dell lists as an order-able part for the 8500) and other PCIe x1 cards...NONE work. Sigh.<br> </p></div>What about Dell XPS 8000 model?<br><small>--<br>Ant @ AQFL.net and AntFarm.ma.cx. Please do not IM/e-mail me for technical support. Use this forum or better, &raquo;<A HREF="http://community.norton.com" >community.norton.com</A> ! Disclaimer: The views expressed in this posting are mine, and do not necessarily reflect the views of my employer.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Mele20 posted : It no longer matters. The XPS 8500 is SERIOUSLY FLAWED. The PCIe ports are NON functional. Dell engineers have been trying to determine why but do not know and have no solution after the issue was first reported two months ago (when it was thought that the problem only involved eSATA cards in a PCIe x1 slot) but the problem is much worse than that. Hauppauge tuner card, Creative X-Fi Titanium card (that Dell lists as an order-able part for the 8500) and other PCIe x1 cards...NONE work. Sigh.<br><small>--<br>When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.  Thomas Jefferson</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[jupitermoon posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/403861" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=403861');">Mele20</a>:</said><p>But from Dell Home division the one I am probably buying (Dell pulled them from Small Business in April...the desktops...the laptops can still be bought from that division)...</p></div>If you're referring to the XPS 8500 we talked about, Dell Small Business still has them:<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/xps-8500/pd.aspx?c=us&cs=04&l=en&s=bsd&~ck=mn" >www.dell.com/us/business/p/xps-8&middot;&middot;&middot;d&~ck=mn</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[dave posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/403861" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=403861');">Mele20</a>:</said><p>And yeah, any $600 computer is junk INCLUDING a self built one.</p></div>More spouting off about absolutes without ever considering the use.<br><br>I suppose you wouldn't have any use for the $200 computer that I have running Windows 7 Media Center (which is perfectly powerful enough for what I use it for).<br><br>One size does not fit all requirements.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[NetFixer posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/403861" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=403861');">Mele20</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1030204" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1030204');">NetFixer</a>:</said><p>And FYI, the reason I have not "standardized" on UPS brands/models is because I obtained those UPS boxes the same way that I obtained the Dell PCs that I have used; I got them from clients who preferred to purchase a new UPS rather than just buy new batteries (and pay me to replace them).<br> </p></div>Really? Changing the battery on an APC UPS is not hard to do. But they do have to be re-calibrated after a battery change otherwise the Powerchute software will report weird crap. My current UPS is almost nine years old and the current battery in it is over 5 years old...<br> </p></div>Ease of battery changing depends very much on the actual UPS model. It takes me about an hour to change the batteries in my Eaton PowerWare Prestige UPS. It requires a complete dis assembly of the unit, and it is a total PITA to get the new batteries physically installed and then put the case back together without the batteries  or internal components shifting position and keeping the case halves from fitting properly. Some older APC units are not exactly plug and play for battery changes either, although they are not nearly as difficult as doing so in the PowerWare box.<br><br>Not everything is/was built to be user friendly. Some things have in fact been deliberately built to force the user to return the unit to the factory or to an authorized repair depot for almost anything that needs to be done. Replacing batteries in an iPhone or iPad comes to mind for recently produced items that meet that criteria (and older model APC UPS boxes were also not designed to allow an end user who was not a competent electronics tech to change the batteries).<br><small>--<br>History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid.<br>-- Dwight D. Eisenhower</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Mele20 posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1030204" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1030204');">NetFixer</a>:</said><p>And FYI, the reason I have not "standardized" on UPS brands/models is because I obtained those UPS boxes the same way that I obtained the Dell PCs that I have used; I got them from clients who preferred to purchase a new UPS rather than just buy new batteries (and pay me to replace them).<br> </p></div>Really? Changing the battery on an APC UPS is not hard to do. But they do have to be re-calibrated after a battery change otherwise the Powerchute software will report weird crap. My current UPS is almost nine years old and the current battery in it is over 5 years old.<br><br>As for the power supply you can easily get sucked into needing true sinewave UPS with a larger power supply and they are more than twice the price of a good stepped sinewave one. That wasn't the case back when I got my current computer that has a 650 watt power supply but Energy Savings requirements were only in the early stages then. I may have a problem now even with just a 460 watt power supply and stepped sinewave. <br><small>--<br>When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.  Thomas Jefferson</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Mele20 posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by Krystal Trav :</said><p>People need to build their own PC's, it's not complicated and you can do fun stuff like use 2 SSD's and install Windows on one and Linux on the other, if you don't game, skip windows altogether and roll with Mint or something. But Dell is very painful, they use poor components, and install massive bloat onto their machines. I wouldn't recommend Dell to someone I disliked for fear of being too evil to them - let alone someone I liked!<br><br>A $600.00 computer - self built, is fast, and will be fast for years. A $600 Dell box is obsolete the day you get it, and requires extensive upgrades if you make even minor changes. You know those awesome 250w PS's, and hideous graphic cards they use. IF you choose to go with a higher end Dell, bend over! Lotta talk on these forum from people that are trying to appear to be experts, but the fact is folks like Mele20 are newbs - security or otherwise.<br> </p></div>That's hilarious. I know you are the newb not me because what you said about Dell is not at all true. Sure, I could build one and a local shop here offered me any help I needed if I did that....but it is a hassle being in Hawaii...ordering parts that take a while to get here, may be DOA, etc. It is not fun to build a computer when you live in Hawaii. This local shop told me I could have them build me a computer exactly as I want it and I could have full control over what parts and brands of parts were ordered, etc. I decided against that also.<br><br>This will be my fourth Dell. And yeah, any $600 computer is junk INCLUDING a self built one.  My current Dell that is over six years old has a 650 watt power supply .... so what is this about a 250 watt one?  The one I probably am going to buy has a small solid state drive and also 2TB regular hard drive and I'll probably order a second regular hard drive to be installed at the factory. As for graphics, yeah, the nVidia (what I want) cards Dell offers are mediocre but that is nVidia's fault as they have no midstream cards currently. So, if I buy now I'll be getting the Radeon 7870 which Dell says works fine with a 460 watt power supply. I want the GeForce GTX 660 Ti which is due out third week of August.  So, I'm going to wait as I think Dell will offer it.<br><br>As for bloat installed by Dell...yeah, they used to do that (that's how Dell Decrapifier came about years ago) and that is why I have bought in the past from Dell Small Business Division as no crap installed on ones bought from there. But from Dell Home division the one I am probably buying (Dell pulled them from Small Business in April...the desktops...the laptops can still be bought from that division) has only one piece of crap on it...McAfee antivirus but I understand that is a trial although it says 15 months. But if not actually installed then there is no crap on Dells today. <br><small>--<br>When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.  Thomas Jefferson</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[NetFixer posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/156437" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=156437');">dave</a>:</said><p>Actually, that much is obvious, given you're sneering at 250W power supplies with no context given. The last two desktop PCs I built (which would have met your $600 price point except I added $200 worth of SSD on top of that) have 150W power supplies, which is maybe double the steady-state requirement.  And they perform pretty well.<br><br>The "my power supply is bigger than yours" crowd seems to have, uh, issues...<br> </p></div>Yep, shown below are the UPS stats for my two servers, and the one with 140W usage also includes the common monitor and KVM used by both servers. Also the system that shows 115W usage has 5 internal HDDs (not low power SSDs), and two external HDDs (that are powered by the UPS, but not by that system's PSU).<br><br>[att=1]<br><br>[att=2]<br><br>And FYI, the reason I have not "standardized" on UPS brands/models is because I obtained those UPS boxes the same way that I obtained the Dell PCs that I have used; I got them from clients who preferred to purchase a new UPS rather than just buy new batteries (and pay me to replace them).<br><small>--<br>History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid.<br>-- Dwight D. Eisenhower</small><div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/27346654?c=2018869&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyNzMyNzYxNS54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="23354 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=405 SRC="/r0/download/2018869.thumb600~3ac608fef834313f12e86602125ef07a/PowerChuteStats.png/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A></TD></TR><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/27346654?c=2018874&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyNzMyNzYxNS54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="24925 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=450 SRC="/r0/download/2018874.thumb600~e6cca5af00ea959ef195ac5c49061d65/LanSafeStats.png/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A></TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[dave posted : The entire computer-using population of the USA 'need to build their own PCs'?  I think your viewpoint might be just a teeny bit myopic.<br><br>Actually, that much is obvious, given you're sneering at 250W power supplies with no context given. The last two desktop PCs I built (which would have met your $600 price point except I added $200 worth of SSD on top of that) have 150W power supplies, which is maybe double the steady-state requirement.  And they perform pretty well.<br><br>The "my power supply is bigger than yours" crowd seems to have, uh, issues.<br><br>There's room for both Dell and home-builts in the world.  In fact, I use both. I have a perfectly adequate Dell server.  Of course I could have built one, but why bother?  It's already way faster than need be for what it actually does, which is backups and a little media-serving.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[anon posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/655093" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=655093');">Name Game</a>:</said><p>Have to admit..you have this thing for Google just like i have for Dell..would not touch their stuff if they gave it away.<br> </p></div>Yeah Dell is absolute trash.<br><br>People need to build their own PC's, it's not complicated and you can do fun stuff like use 2 SSD's and install Windows on one and Linux on the other, if you don't game, skip windows altogether and roll with Mint or something. But Dell is very painful, they use poor components, and install massive bloat onto their machines. I wouldn't recommend Dell to someone I disliked for fear of being too evil to them - let alone someone I liked!<br><br>A $600.00 computer - self built, is fast, and will be fast for years. A $600 Dell box is obsolete the day you get it, and requires extensive upgrades if you make even minor changes. You know those awesome 250w PS's, and hideous graphic cards they use. IF you choose to go with a higher end Dell, bend over! Lotta talk on these forum from people that are trying to appear to be experts, but the fact is folks like Mele20 are newbs - security or otherwise.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Name Game posted : We'll have to get Usain Bolt to wing it through to the right link.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.tvkim.com/watch/2123/kims-picks-wingsuit-racing" >www.tvkim.com/watch/2123/kims-pi&middot;&middot;&middot;t-racing</A> ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[NetFixer posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/655093" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=655093');">Name Game</a>:</said><p>What I find interesting in these  screenshots in the last three posted, is the hit count for the search on these respective search engines.   Yahoo surely is the winner.<br> </p></div>Unless of course, the answer you are searching for is in the link for search result 689,000,000.  :hmm:<br><small>--<br>History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid.<br>-- Dwight D. Eisenhower</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Name Game posted : What I find interesting in these  screenshots in the last three posted, is the hit count for the search on these respective search engines.   Yahoo surely is the winner.<div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/27339337?c=2018287&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyNzMyNzYxNS54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="191383 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=375 SRC="/r0/download/2018287.thumb600~fa26addb76c476b8924ee6f770fc6a19/start page.jpg/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A></TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[NetFixer posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/156437" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=156437');">dave</a>:</said><p>apparently not.<br> </p></div>Works for me.<br><br>[att=1]<br><small>--<br>History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid.<br>-- Dwight D. Eisenhower</small><div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/27339227?c=2018247&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyNzMyNzYxNS54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="42474 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=498 SRC="/r0/download/2018247.thumb600~21a5da3d52edbc7eea401ff6651973c2/YahooQuitGoogle.png/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A></TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[dave posted : apparently not.<div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/27338952?c=2018226&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyNzMyNzYxNS54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="83110 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=498 SRC="/r0/download/2018226.thumb600~c7da2202001ef3739c67954b4c9dbb31/Capture.PNG/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A></TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[anon posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1813438" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1813438');">zed260</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/766601" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=766601');">AVD</a>:</said><p>I would take free food and free gas in exchange for a web cam.<br> </p></div>even if it montored your every single move and gurentteed no privacy<br><br>id consider it consideering i spend 500 plus a month on grocerys how many others would use such a machine<br> </p></div>How much do those people on 'Big Brother' get? I'd imagine "Big Brother: Google Edition" would be as invasive if not more.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[zed260 posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/766601" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=766601');">AVD</a>:</said><p>I would take free food and free gas in exchange for a web cam.<br> </p></div>even if it montored your every single move and gurentteed no privacy<br><br>id consider it consideering i spend 500 plus a month on grocerys how many others would use such a machine]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[zed260 posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1459613" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1459613');">The Snowman</a>:</said><p>    Google has become so big because the public has allowed it to do so.  The public just continues feeding the fish.......by doing nearly nothing to prevent being tracked........after many years of preaching how to help them selfs its obvious by the growth of google that either no one was listening or that no one really cares.<br> </p></div>google made something insanely usfeull a serch engine peopel are willing to trade privacy for such a thing<br><br>lets say i made a miricle invention that genereted all the food you could eat for free but had a webcam built how many people would use it to get free food without regard for privacy i bet far more people then youed think]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[NetFixer posted : I used to do authorized field support for Dell (and several other brand name PC makers), although most of my support was targeted to enterprise level customers instead of residential/soho/smb customers. I stopped doing that however long before I retired because the calls were frequently to small branch offices or plants in the boonies, and the pay schedule for that kind of work seldom included adequate reimbursement for calls with 2-3 hour drive times (and my arthritis had started to make multi-hour drives on winding mountain roads a bit less than pleasurable, despite the nice scenic views).<br><br>The availability of local hardware support is one reason that I did in fact recommend Dell to soho/smb clients who did not have in-house support capabilities. I made my money from those clients with value added services, not from selling them hardware.<br><br>I wasn't necessarily knocking Dell with my previous post. If I didn't think their products were worth using, I would not have bothered to occasionally make one good one from several dead ones for my own in-house use.<br><br>Hmm, when did this thread morph from a Google thread to a Dell thread?  ;)<br><small>--<br>History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid.<br>-- Dwight D. Eisenhower</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2012 01:04:51 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Mele20 posted : See, that is why I stick with Dell. I pay for the 5 year extended warranty which comes out to the price of a cheap computer. I'd love to configure a Falcon but the shipping costs for a 55 pound desktop from Hawaii to the West Coast and back would be prohibitive even once (not to mention the hassle of having to box it up and take it to UPS). Falcon has a good warranty....but ONLY for those in the contiguous states. When the warranty on my current computer ran out...I've just used it with its problems partly because it is old, and time for a new computer, but also because the cost to fix it locally is prohibitive at any point during its life span. Small things I can fix myself but not big ones and not anything that requires a tear down of the computer to get to whatever needs fixing or replacing. <br><br>So, I stay with Dell and their extended warranty which currently is USA phone support...no more India...and decent in home repair. I do take issue with Dell forcing me to buy protection for spills and dropping the computer. It is extremely unlikely that i will be dropping a desktop computer that sits in a cabinet or that I will be spilling liquid all over it...how could I do that unless deliberate? Then I also resent Dell's forcing me to buy software support which I don't need. Dell never did this until their new line.  If I lived on the Mainland, I would probably not have bought a Dell after my second one back in 2003.  <br><small>--<br>When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.  Thomas Jefferson</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2012 00:29:22 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[NetFixer posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/655093" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=655093');">Name Game</a>:</said><p>Have to admit..you have this thing for Google just like i have for Dell..would not touch their stuff if they gave it away.<br> </p></div> <IMG SRC="http://www.dcs-net.net/smiley/roflmao.gif">  Free is how I obtained the Dell equipment that I have used in the past. I don't currently have any Dell equipment in use...the last Dell PC I had went belly up about a month ago, and I didn't feel like bothering to see if the problem was the MB or the PSU (and I didn't have any more "known good" Dell MBs or PSUs lying around). I replaced it with a Toshiba notebook that I similarly obtained (I had several bad ones in storage, and I swapped parts around to make one useable one).<br><br>Customer: "You have to be kidding, I can buy a new PC for less than your repair estimate!"<br><br>Me: "OK, I'll dispose of this old Dell PC for you, do you want me to send you your 'My Documents' stuff on a CD/DVD?"<br><small>--<br>History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid.<br>-- Dwight D. Eisenhower</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2012 23:42:58 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Name Game posted : Have to admit..you have this thing for Google just like i have for Dell..would not touch their stuff if they gave it away.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2012 23:01:25 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Mele20 posted : This is a multi processor computer even though old now. I've had a multi processor computer since 2003 (this is my second one that has multi processor). I need more RAM though and can't add it because nVidia mobo limited the amount of RAM (unless I had installed XP Pro 64 bit and then I could have had up to 8GB RAM) in what was Dell's flagship gaming computer when it was new. The only reason I can think for why the RAM was so limited is because XP 64 bit was still thought to be viable but it never did get the driver support needed. (Dell told me I could add RAM on 32bit XP Pro which was incorrect).<br><br>I don't need the security. I use the Proxomitron and on this computer also Process Guard. Even when I get a new computer, I shouldn't need sandboxing of tabs. That is for ignorant of computers users and those without proper layered security.<br><small>--<br>When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.  Thomas Jefferson</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2012 20:37:47 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[AVD posted : sandboxed tabs offer tremendous security and also work very nicely in a multi-core or multiprocessor environment.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2012 09:02:38 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Mele20 posted : I have no intention of using Chrome, Chromium or Iron. I hate the sandboxed tabs, the HUGE amount of RAM needed (because of the sandboxed tabs), the mess the sandboxed tabs make of Task <strike>Scheduler</strike> Manager so that you almost can't use it, and, most of all, the general crudeness of Chrome/Chromium/Iron browser and the mostly childish, stupid extensions available.<br><small>--<br>When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.  Thomas Jefferson</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[KodiacZiller posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/403861" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=403861');">Mele20</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by aadsfs :</said><p>Third time I have posted this (or similar link) in reply to you Mele20<br><br>Turning Off Auto Updates in Google Chrome &raquo;<A HREF="http://dev.chromium.org/administrators/turning-off-auto-updates" >dev.chromium.org/administrators/&middot;&middot;&middot;-updates</A><br> </p></div>So what? I am not a BUSINESS.  Most users are NOT businesses. I don't want to have to download group policy templates for Google Chrome and other Google programs, set all that up, edit the registry, etc just so that Chrome will no longer automatically update.  </p></div>Use Chromium then.  It has no auto-update and no other kind of tracking.<br><br>Personally I like it that Chrome updates itself automatically.  Too many people out there refuse to update their machines.  And since the browser is the #1 attack vector, I think Google is doing the right thing.<br><small>--<br>Getting people to stop using windows is more or less the same as trying to get people to stop smoking tobacco products. They dont want to change; they are happy with slowly dying inside. -- munky99999</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2012 03:46:53 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Mele20 posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by aadsfs :</said><p>Third time I have posted this (or similar link) in reply to you Mele20<br><br>Turning Off Auto Updates in Google Chrome &raquo;<A HREF="http://dev.chromium.org/administrators/turning-off-auto-updates" >dev.chromium.org/administrators/&middot;&middot;&middot;-updates</A><br> </p></div>So what? I am not a BUSINESS.  Most users are NOT businesses. I don't want to have to download group policy templates for Google Chrome and other Google programs, set all that up, edit the registry, etc just so that Chrome will no longer automatically update. Gee, I don't have to do anything like that with Iron or with any other browser ALL OF WHICH RESPECT MY RIGHTS...all except Chrome (and Safari and I won't touch that crap browser either). Besides, Chrome would still spy on me (or at least try to). Plus, there is no mention of how to keep Flash out of Chrome. Or, if you really want it, how to keep it from auto updating and resetting your privacy settings without your permission. <br><small>--<br>When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.  Thomas Jefferson</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2012 02:45:26 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[OZO posted : Yes, I do. And here is some more about "<a href="http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r25553968-">Client ID</a>" in Chrome from the same thread.<br><small>--<br>Keep it simple, it'll become complex by itself...</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2012 23:57:55 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Name Game posted : good link OZ<br><br>remember this one ?<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/remark,25554357">Re: Opinions on Google Chrome security/safety</A>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2012 23:31:04 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[OZO posted : List of differences between Iron and Chrome you can find here - <a href="http://blogoscoped.com/archive/2008-09-25-n26.html">Iron Aims to Be Chrome With Better Privacy</a>. Among those - unique "<tt>client_id_</tt>" (used to track your browser) that is present ti Chrome is removed in Iron.<br><small>--<br>Keep it simple, it'll become complex by itself...</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Name Game posted : We have given this government too much power...we have rights..and we give them the power..have you ever read so much BS in your life..]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[OmagicQ posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/655093" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=655093');">Name Game</a>:</said><p>Yup..and they might even be safe until the The Stellar Wind begins to blow at the mammoth Bluffdale center know to many as the UDC.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.ufppc.org/us-a-world-news-mainmenu-35/10929-news-james-bamford-reveals-nsa-plans-to-crack-yottabytes-of-encrypted-data-james-bamford.html" >www.ufppc.org/us-a-world-news-ma&middot;&middot;&middot;ord.html</A><br> </p></div>I tried to read and understand what the article was talking about. Basically store everything so sometime in the future it can be decrypted. Next logical step would be to eliminate the Statute of limitations so anyone could be tried for anything at anytime. <br><br>say you committed a crime and the evidence to convict you is encrypted...since its all being stored, say in 10 years its decrypted and you get prosecuted. Best we could hope for is a solar flare or something to fry all the electronics but even then i'll bet the data storage facilities will be shielded and hardened against everything short of a nuke going off on the roof. <br><small>--<br>...Who, What, When, Where, How... Why? Why Not?</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Name Game posted : Nice try .... :D I still say computers are not people and the 5th does not apply...<br><br>People also post titles like this on the net and give an opinion...<br><b>Judge Rules Refusing to Decrypt Hard Drive is Covered by Fifth Amendment</b><br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.geekosystem.com/fifth-amendment-decryption/" >www.geekosystem.com/fifth-amendm&middot;&middot;&middot;ryption/</A><br><br>But as one comment put it...<br><br>"There a few half-truths in this article.<br><br>For one, the Fifth Amendment DOES have your back if you're talking about a combination-lock safe. The courts have distinguished between safes that lock with a physical key - which you can be forced to turn over - and safes that lock with combinations, because that requires you to turn over information. Telling the combo or entering it yourself is protected by the 5th as it's considered a "testimonial" act.<br><br>Also, neither of the previous two cases were legal precedent. To have precedential weight, a case must have been decided by a superior court, and the precedent applies only to the courts underneath the deciding body. <br><br>The Colorado case has no precedential weight, because it was decided by a trial court, and the appeals hasn't happened yet. <br><br>The Vermont case WAS decided by the appellate court, so its decision would be binding precedent only for the Vermont courts in that circuit, BUT, that case has been mis-stated. <br><br>The appellate court there did not rule on the encryption issue. They ruled that the decrypted contents of the hard drive were admissable because some of them had already been seen by law enforcement. <br><br>The issue wasn't that part of the drive was encrypted and part wasn't; he used whole-disk encryption. But as he crossed the border, his laptop was ON and officers were able to find the illicit content. Once he was arrested and it shut off, officers were unable to get it to power on again without the encryption key. <br><br>So the court ruled that the entirety of the contents were admissible under "inevitable discovery." <br><br>[Also, he voluntarily de-crypted the drives and then just challenged the admissibility.]<br><br>All things said, 5th Amendment protections for encryption keys is probably proper, despite the power imbalance between law enforcement and criminals. "<br><small>--<br>Gladiator Security Forum <br> &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.gladiator-antivirus.com/" >www.gladiator-antivirus.com/</A> <br></small>]]></description>
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