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Re: Sudbury ON - FibreOP FTTH - job fair Thursday 6pm

Sat, 26 Jan 2013 15:14:57 EDT

avenison posted : Sorry about that BliZZardX, I'd love to post some speedtests but I wouldn't trust the results right now. My strong machine is down for maintenance so I'm stuck using an aging netbook with a 3400rpm hard drive, and it can't properly keep up with anything.

What I can tell you:
-I'm on the slowest rate, which is 10/1
-Downloads consistently hit >1.2MB/s 24 hours a day, with burst speeds quite a bit higher
-Upload is unconfirmed but when I did try Vianet's speedtest it appears to be as claimed (1mbit)
-Browsing appears to remain acceptable while DL bandwidth is saturated (using my initial attempt at router QOS rules)
-Average ping to google.ca is 8ms, but jitter is around 10-15ms...

What I can't tell you:
-If the jitter in the ping test is typical/accurate, it could well be my netbook or my router which hasn't been tuned yet
-How things act when UL is maxed out
-How things act when UL AND DL are maxed out

Re: Sudbury ON - FibreOP FTTH - job fair Thursday 6pm

Fri, 25 Jan 2013 07:57:19 EDT

ZombieBanner posted : Hey Everyone,

Sorry my parents ended up rescheduling cause they were sick.

I have to say I am very very impressed with the professionalism of the guys. Since I don't live in town currently I was a little scared about my parents making a telecom switch. Not with FibreOp.

The techs were there for almost 8 hours, 3 of them, one came and went, but they wouldn't leave till everything was working properly.

Instead of using the existing coax, they ran all new coax. They installed the modem/router in a very central location, actually wired on the beam covered by a drop ceiling.

Goods:
TV:
Mom says the TV is amazing quality and crystal clear, they gave her a 1 month promo of every channel so she can choose the right packages for her.

Internet:
Speeds, just as advertised, the uploaded seems to be a little lagging, but nothing horrible out of the 50/30 package, she is receiving 50.32 Mbps down, 19 Mbps up with an 11ms ping.

Phone:
Crystal clear, hooked up my parents fax, no issues, wouldn't be able to tell a difference.

Bad:
TV:
My mom doesn't like the remote, not a big issue till I get back up there and switch it over to her universal, but for my mom its something.

Internet:
I remoted to set up her and my dad's new email, they couldn't keep their sympatico addresses. The documentaion on pop/imap servers were horrible. Their own website was giving 500 errors, and finally found the answers on digitalhome.ca

Phone:
None.

Once I get up for a visit and do a good once over and write a full review.

Re: Sudbury ON - FibreOP FTTH - job fair Thursday 6pm

Tue, 22 Jan 2013 23:46:42 EDT

BliZZardX posted : Thanks for the elaborate post avenison, but you're teasing leaving out the goods! Post some vianet speedtests for us haha

Looks like they have some good connectivity, even with Bell. So you can play with your neighbour on Bell FTTH across town and it'll be like you're both in the same room »bgp.he.net/AS7091#_peers

Re: Sudbury ON - FibreOP FTTH - job fair Thursday 6pm

Tue, 22 Jan 2013 23:34:11 EDT

avenison posted : So anyway, shortly after my last post I found out Vianet already has my street lit up, so I have made the switch. Sorry Bell. I also did some networking for my friends using FibreOp, so I can present to you the following brief comparison.

Both services are a GPON-based (passive) fibre deployment. This means the layout is more similar to cable than DSL, in that their equipment (equivalent of DSLAM) sends and receives multiple subscribers' data down the same fibre, which eventually runs through an optical splitter and into X houses. Upload capacity is shared via TDMA, i.e. your-turn/my-turn/his-turn/etc., and is allotted based on demand and QOS rating. Both providers appear to be using VLANs to separate internet/voip/tv services as well as providing QOS for them. No idea if you can request higher priority for your own VOIP packets by tagging them or if that only works when the destination is the provider's server... I guess theoretically if it did work you could abuse it by making all of your traffic higher priority than your neighbours', but it's an interesting possibility. Likewise it would be nice to know if you can get basic TV channels without renting a box by setting up a device on a particular VLAN.

Hardware:

Vianet provides the Zhone model GPON-2424-NA modem, which has no wireless and no battery backup. I haven't logged in to poke around yet (supposedly it is locked?) but I have read some of the manual and it is pretty heavy material.

Bell Aliant is using the Actiontec R1000H, which does have integrated wireless but does not support IPv6. The current firmware version is very oddly laid-out - reminiscent of Thomson's Speedtouch modems, actually. Firmware seems to be developed on a custom basis and is therefore distributed only to the relevant provider (Bell's current version is apparently 33.00L.28) and there is no obvious way to upgrade it even if you had a file to flash. One nice feature is that if you don't know the username and password for the configuration pages, you can reset them by entering the unit's serial number - which hopefully is not visible from the network! Note that uPNP is disabled by default, so if you require any port forwarding you must log in. Strangely, the internal DHCP server does not support assigning specific IPs by MAC. If you prefer to manually forward ports instead of using uPNP, you will need to set each device to use a static IP outside of the modem's DHCP pool (which by default is 192.168.x.10-192.168.x.254) to prevent it from being assigned to a second device. This is not difficult, but of course if it's a mobile device and you bring it to another network, you'll probably need to remove the setting to get connected.

More info on the modem is available at:
»www.actiontec.com/products/produ···?pid=212
»screenshots.portforward.com/rout···ault.htm
»forums.xbox.com/xbox_forums/xbox···793.aspx (requires a Microsoft login)

Re: Sudbury ON - FibreOP FTTH - job fair Thursday 6pm

Wed, 09 Jan 2013 23:47:02 EDT

morisato posted : Some areas In Toronto have proper FTTH but not many most are as u say hivolt VDSL served areas bright side? New speeds soon i hear!
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Re: Sudbury ON - FibreOP FTTH - job fair Thursday 6pm

Tue, 08 Jan 2013 13:55:40 EDT

ZombieBanner posted : Well my parents have pulled the trigger with FibreOp, they get installed on the 10th, I will let everyone here know how it went.

Re: Sudbury ON - FibreOP FTTH - job fair Thursday 6pm

Tue, 08 Jan 2013 13:16:39 EDT

Riplin posted : do the trucks say vista care on the side?

Re: Sudbury ON - FibreOP FTTH - job fair Thursday 6pm

Tue, 08 Jan 2013 10:59:32 EDT

lexcyn posted : I've noticed in the past couple of weeks more trucks running Fibre on new poles in Valley East (Val Caron, Hanmer). Is this Bell FTTH or someone else?

Re: Sudbury ON - FibreOP FTTH - job fair Thursday 6pm

Fri, 21 Dec 2012 09:55:44 EDT

habskilla posted : That is true, but this thread is about BellAliant FTTH offering in Sudbury. I just don't people reading this thread and think the bundled internet is capped.

That being said, if you upgrade the bundled internet to 80/30, that level is capped.
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Re: Sudbury ON - FibreOP FTTH - job fair Thursday 6pm

Thu, 20 Dec 2012 18:22:10 EDT

HiVolt posted :

said by habskilla:

HiVolt, the internet offered with the TV package is an uncapped 50/30 Mbps connection.

How is that shabby?

Not here in Toronto... and we dont have the FTTH you guys have there... just VDSL based FibeTV.
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Re: Sudbury ON - FibreOP FTTH - job fair Thursday 6pm

Thu, 20 Dec 2012 15:52:12 EDT

BliZZardX posted : I think HiVolt was making a general statement for the other 99% territory Bell covers

With the parent company, you can't subscribe to Fibe TV without also subscribing to Fibe internet (max 300GB if you have real fiber, 125GB for everyone else on DSL) and signing a 2 year contract for both

Aliant seem to be borrowing these tactics for their launch in Sudbury

Re: Sudbury ON - FibreOP FTTH - job fair Thursday 6pm

Thu, 20 Dec 2012 15:02:31 EDT

Riplin posted : link please?

Re: Sudbury ON - FibreOP FTTH - job fair Thursday 6pm

Thu, 20 Dec 2012 14:41:28 EDT

habskilla posted : HiVolt, the internet offered with the TV package is an uncapped 50/30 Mbps connection.

How is that shabby?
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Re: Sudbury ON - FibreOP FTTH - job fair Thursday 6pm

Thu, 20 Dec 2012 13:28:29 EDT

Riplin posted : Yep the whole follow the leader let's not distinguish ourselves from the competition doesn't really bode well for them imo.

Re: Sudbury ON - FibreOP FTTH - job fair Thursday 6pm

Thu, 20 Dec 2012 12:03:01 EDT

nitzguy posted :

said by Riplin:

That'll be around 149.95 for the better 50/30 after 3 months. Just don't forget that ;)

Oh crap, I looked at good, which would have given me 20/15 and its $109.95 After the promo...I thought it used to be $99.95 after the promo which I would have been fine with....

50/30 sounds nice though.....funny thing is there's no cap on usage with 50/30, but funny there is with 80/30 and 250/30....I think it has to do with Eastlink playing the same game in town so they're just matching on that aspect....

Re: Sudbury ON - FibreOP FTTH - job fair Thursday 6pm

Thu, 20 Dec 2012 10:24:39 EDT

HiVolt posted : Bell's FibeTV isn't selling as much as it could because they force bundle it with internet, which a lot of people dont want Bell's low capped shit...

I would consider it, as the TV quality is a LOT better than Rogers Cable, but not when i have to pay for their sub-par internet
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Re: Sudbury ON - FibreOP FTTH - job fair Thursday 6pm

Thu, 20 Dec 2012 02:52:13 EDT

Riplin posted : I dunno maybe I'm just not a marketing guy (trying to get as many full bundles locked in as possible) in the initial push, but pushing this group (ones that only want some part of pkg) aside (and its so technically easy to do) just tends to piss us off a bit more and think twice even when you do.

Re: Sudbury ON - FibreOP FTTH - job fair Thursday 6pm

Thu, 20 Dec 2012 02:44:34 EDT

Riplin posted : That'll be around 149.95 for the better 50/30 after 3 months. Just don't forget that ;)

Re: Sudbury ON - FibreOP FTTH - job fair Thursday 6pm

Wed, 19 Dec 2012 23:58:00 EDT

nitzguy posted : I received something in the mail last week to the effect that it will be available in my area....when I go to the website it says my address isn't valid....again probably to do with multiple street names in different parts of Sudbury....that were not resolved...unfortunately.

I'll scan it in when I get a chance to and post it here...I forgot to bring it to work tonight...

Other than that I'm excited, I'd be happy to pay $99/month even since I pay $85/month now and get 15/1 DSL and Home phone with Call Display....an extra $30/mth for tv? I'm in.

Re: Sudbury ON - FibreOP FTTH - job fair Thursday 6pm

Wed, 19 Dec 2012 23:18:37 EDT

Savillian posted :

said by avenison:

That's disappointing, particularily since the FibreOP site is (or at least was) frequently linking to the Bell Aliant site, which shows all the options - including those we apparently won't have access to for months. :p

Trust me this has been brought up and talked about and will continue to be talked about till it happens.

EDIT:
PS - If anyone wants to know when a specific area is supposed to be due to be lit up, please PM me. I can give you an approximate timeline and NO guarantees! Haha.

Re: Sudbury ON - FibreOP FTTH - job fair Thursday 6pm

Sun, 02 Dec 2012 14:30:27 EDT

avenison posted : That's disappointing, particularily since the FibreOP site is (or at least was) frequently linking to the Bell Aliant site, which shows all the options - including those we apparently won't have access to for months. :p

said by BliZZardX:

there's no point running fibre just to replace POTS.

If VDSL was available I might agree with you, but on the other hand if there was a 5/768k fibre tier I would still switch. The decrease in latency would more than justify it for me.

said by BliZZardX:

The Bell options are triple play or nothing.

FTFY. I sympathize with FibreOP's rollout problems, but there's a vast difference between being unable to provide service to a potential customer, and choosing not to on the grounds that the customer only needs one of several services on offer. My subscription to an Internet-only service would still contribute to their bottom line, and it should be fair to assume they have sufficient capacity that it would not preclude someone else (who might want the whole package) from subscribing as well. Bell currently gets a large cut of my DSL subscription fees as well as the ridiculous amount I pay them for a landline - money they could continue to receive - if they're the first in line to offer me what I actually need.

Re: Sudbury ON - FibreOP FTTH - job fair Thursday 6pm

Sun, 02 Dec 2012 11:43:34 EDT

BliZZardX posted : He meant they won't sell internet on its own, and there's no point running fibre just to replace POTS. The options are triple play or nothing.
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Re: Sudbury ON - FibreOP FTTH - job fair Thursday 6pm

Sun, 02 Dec 2012 11:43:10 EDT

JohnB posted : All three services must be ordered together. Internet will be available as a stand alone product in the future, but not until the build is completed.

Re: Sudbury ON - FibreOP FTTH - job fair Thursday 6pm

Sun, 02 Dec 2012 11:35:34 EDT

avenison posted : Re: "no options to split the bundle", do you mean that they wouldn't give you a bundle discount on only 2 services, or that they are not offering separate services at all right now?

Re: Sudbury ON - FibreOP FTTH - job fair Thursday 6pm

Sun, 02 Dec 2012 08:50:04 EDT

Riplin posted : Fibreop Salesman came to my door Friday night. Apparently speed packages have changed slightly. The best bundle is now 50/30 with no usage cap.

Anyway, I told the guy I didn't need TV and he said as of now there is no options to split the bundle. I said its kinda silly to force something on a customer they don't want and lose out on just an internet and phone sub. He kinda shook his head in agreement but nothing he could do.

I also told him I didn't need 30mbit up speed and they should be more flexible with their packages. He didn't really have an answer for that.

It finally came down to me telling him that with Harper's new copyright bill and Usenet removing postings because of DMCA what would be the point of having 30 or 50mbit anyway. Its coming to a point where that speed will be useless. Simple surfing and emailing doesn't require 30mbit. 6mbit dsl is fine.

What dsl should do to compete is drop 6mbit dsl to like 19.95/mth but we all know that will never happen cause most are already suckered in at much higher fees.

Re: Sudbury ON - FibreOP FTTH - job fair Thursday 6pm

Sun, 25 Nov 2012 14:11:52 EDT

avenison posted : It should be interesting to see how much they will tailor it, considering the achievable speeds are so much greater.

Still no sign here, The run from the Lasalle CO terminates at the rail crossing on Notre Dame, so they may be starting another run from downtown (which means I'm at the far end :( ) I did see one of the vans parked on my street, but I think the driver was doing some Christmas shopping.

Re: Sudbury ON - FibreOP FTTH - job fair Thursday 6pm

Sun, 25 Nov 2012 00:35:33 EDT

Riplin posted : Well, went away for a week came back and guess what. I see a new fibre line on pole in front of my house and site say fibreop is now available. Now lets see how flexible bell aliant is with their bundles. I only need net and phone. I also don't get why they don't have more speed pkgs. 3 pkgs aren't enough. What if people don't need 30meg up, why not have some 50/10 or 60/5. Let the negotiations begin :D

Re: Sudbury ON - FibreOP FTTH - job fair Thursday 6pm

Sun, 04 Nov 2012 12:05:43 EDT

avenison posted : Nice to hear from you JohnB, and likewise nice to see the project is progressing. I hate to ask when everything can change in a heartbeat, but would I be wrong to hope for access in the flour mill by year's end? Is rollout going to continue over the winter, or is temperature/snow a limiting factor here?

Re: Sudbury ON - FibreOP FTTH - job fair Thursday 6pm

Sun, 04 Nov 2012 11:39:42 EDT

JohnB posted : Hey Guys,

I meant to touch base with you all sooner, but as you can imagine it has been a hectic past couple months at Bell!

The build is going great - a lot of behind the scenes red-tape has been dealt with and it should be moving ahead much faster. It is an extremely large FTTH deployment, and as you can imagine it requires extensive planning before each neighbourhood can be wired up. Not nearly as simple as running some cables onto poles.

This weekend we had Lasalle at Notre Dame reduced to one lane to run the Fibre across the intersection to the CSP(central splice point). With this being done, the entire north side of Lasalle is now complete and the neighbourhood across from the Lasalle Cemetery(Somers to Madeleine) will be live within a few days.

Re: Sudbury ON - FibreOP FTTH

Fri, 02 Nov 2012 18:43:52 EDT

Riplin posted : steel supporting cable was run along hawthorne today by vistcare. Starting to penetrate the adanac area.

Re: Sudbury ON - FibreOP FTTH

Fri, 02 Nov 2012 17:36:01 EDT

avenison posted : Whoops, must correct an error - according to this post those Agilis tags are the city's fibre and Bell's are the orange ones. Which makes sense, as I tried following the blue run to see where it went, and it disappeared at a larger pole on the corner of the taxation centre's lot. If the fibreOP lines are the ones wrapped with orange where they cross the poles, then they run around the corner and down Lasalle.

The truck was still in front of Pioneer Manor around 4 today, so whatever they're doing there must be a big job. Patience is thinning. :)

Re: Sudbury ON - FibreOP FTTH

Thu, 01 Nov 2012 17:37:46 EDT

avenison posted : Yep, they were still there this afternoon. I don't know where the north end of the line is, but looks like they're running them from Lasalle southward.

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There are flags planted at all the green boxes as far as Staples, the closest one after Pioneer Manor being at the bingo hall.

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Interestingly, they're not hanging Bell tags from the line - they are blue but they're Agilis branded. My friends off of Woodbine have had theirs a few weeks now and they like it, I haven't been by myself to check it out yet though.

Re: Sudbury ON - FibreOP FTTH - job fair Thursday 6pm

Thu, 01 Nov 2012 12:16:20 EDT

nitzguy posted : Where nitzguy's gf's parents live in New Sudbury they're qualified for Fibreop...and there's a house on Carmelo St. that has the service, or they just have a sign on their lawn saying FibreOp is here....

It was dark so and I was driving so I couldn't see how the lines were run, but that's a start to figure out where exactly these lines are and what to look for...

I think the service is out there....I think the trucks you're seeing are just other parts...also they have to take time to make sure things work properly...so some shakedown is probably required...

Re: Sudbury ON - FibreOP FTTH

Thu, 01 Nov 2012 09:20:32 EDT

Riplin posted : Well well, while driving down ND this morning I saw a Vistacare truck stringing fibre in front of pioneer manor. What do you know, start doing other areas before completing the last area. Figures

Re: Sudbury ON - FibreOP FTTH

Thu, 01 Nov 2012 02:50:24 EDT

Riplin posted : Vianet has been the one doing alot of underground work as well as some eastlink. Prob to save themselves some money from having to deal with a-holes from sudbury hydro.

Re: Sudbury ON - FibreOP FTTH

Wed, 31 Oct 2012 20:25:52 EDT

avenison posted : Yes, those flags say buried communication cable, who knows whose they are though. As I said, I expect this is just construction prep, likely for the roadwork going on along there - but as the pole in the background is a crossing-point, it's also plausible that they're running as many lines to the Lasalle CO as it can handle before building out from another location. Probably not, but since we don't know their infrastructure plan, I'll keep on hoping. ;)

Re: Sudbury ON - FibreOP FTTH

Wed, 31 Oct 2012 19:33:22 EDT

Riplin posted : I doubt they're burying any lines anywhere. This is an aerial venture from what I can tell. If they are burying any its not much.

On that note I haven't seen much action either anywhere. Considering I was told the area I'm in was supposed to be strung by end of july/august its pretty disappointing. Maybe they meant 2013 hah

Re: Sudbury ON - FibreOP FTTH

Wed, 31 Oct 2012 19:24:27 EDT

avenison posted : A few (very small) updates. I haven't seen any work being done along Notre Dame (or anywhere else in town) recently, and the few trucks I've seen were heading towards the valley. There was a truck at the corner of ND and Lasalle today, but a) there's a Bell store there, and b) it turned out to be a BTS truck. I also took this photo. It's currently a crossing point for some lines (looks to be power and cable only). It's probably just construction, but if it extends further east than the roadside buildings, it could be joined to the run near Future Shop through the railway area/swamp/rotary club trail area.

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Re: Sudbury ON - FibreOP FTTH - job fair Thursday 6pm

Mon, 01 Oct 2012 21:56:54 EDT

avenison posted : Heh. I wouldn't count on their customer-side database giving you much useful info - it still can't tell me if my location can get DSL. ;P

Hopefully johnB is still lurking somewhere nearby...

Re: Sudbury ON - FibreOP FTTH - job fair Thursday 6pm

Mon, 01 Oct 2012 17:06:55 EDT

nitzguy posted :

said by avenison:

...But since then, I haven't seen any, anywhere. September's over and I've heard no news about this area... Is this project stalled?

I don't think so...but have been checking, but my street is used in multiple parts of the city so it gets a little confusing...

Re: Sudbury ON - FibreOP FTTH - job fair Thursday 6pm

Sun, 30 Sep 2012 21:09:49 EDT

avenison posted : ...But since then, I haven't seen any, anywhere. September's over and I've heard no news about this area... Is this project stalled?

Re: Sudbury ON - FibreOP FTTH - job fair Thursday 6pm

Tue, 04 Sep 2012 22:06:04 EDT

avenison posted : Last trucks I saw out and about were leaving the industrial building beside (formerly) Cranky Joe's. Thnis was a week and a half or so ago. Map?! What map? :/

Re: Sudbury ON - FibreOP FTTH - job fair Thursday 6pm

Tue, 04 Sep 2012 07:56:55 EDT

Riplin posted : So what happened to the map on fibreop? It used to show the progress in Sudbury now its all gone.

Is Sudbury Hydro winning at killing this project?. Somehow I can see this happening as Bell/Aliant will finally get pissed off enough to say fuck it. There are plenty of other places that would be happy to have fibre installed.

Re: Sudbury ON - FibreOP FTTH - job fair Thursday 6pm

Mon, 13 Aug 2012 11:53:38 EDT

habskilla posted : Good news...The replacement router works without issue for your Sudbury FibreOp setup.

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Re: Sudbury ON - FibreOP FTTH - job fair Thursday 6pm

Sun, 12 Aug 2012 18:28:01 EDT

nitzguy posted :

said by HeadSpinning:

said by nitzguy:

said by avenison:

No surprise here.

Bell F.O. + Toll is that....What would the Toll be for?

Old Toll trunk line.

Weird, bcause where that line seems to go, is the train tracks...though now that I think about it, some communications companies use the railroad right-of-way to have cabling around cities and whatnot...

Sort of difficult to see from the picture, but there is a CN line that runs near that Futureshop on Barrydowne just a bit north(south?) of Lasalle lol...

Re: Sudbury ON - FibreOP FTTH - job fair Thursday 6pm

Sun, 12 Aug 2012 12:47:22 EDT

avenison posted : Devil's advocate: Two weeks for that is a long time, but why weren't necessary permits obtained before starting construction?

Re: Sudbury ON - FibreOP FTTH - job fair Thursday 6pm

Sun, 12 Aug 2012 10:23:19 EDT

HeadSpinning posted :

said by nitzguy:

said by avenison:

No surprise here.

Bell F.O. + Toll is that....What would the Toll be for?

Old Toll trunk line.
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Re: Sudbury ON - FibreOP FTTH - job fair Thursday 6pm

Sun, 12 Aug 2012 09:43:11 EDT

JohnB posted : For starters, getting a permit to pull some conduit across the road takes over two weeks.

Re: Sudbury ON - FibreOP FTTH - job fair Thursday 6pm

Sat, 11 Aug 2012 13:16:35 EDT

avenison posted : Maybe they missed an 'r'... :D

JohnB, care to expound on what our ever-vigilant and astute local politicians have to do with the matter?

Re: Sudbury ON - FibreOP FTTH - job fair Thursday 6pm

Sat, 11 Aug 2012 00:44:10 EDT

nitzguy posted :

said by avenison:

No surprise here.

Bell F.O. + Toll is that....What would the Toll be for?