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Re: [Sci-Fi] Fringe: Season Five

reply to Niarlan
I've only been watching Fringe regularly for the last 2-3 seasons, so I missed the very beginning. However, I believe I recall at one point that September admitted it was he that caused Walter to miss the fact that he found the cure for his dying Peter. Thus if there were no Observer incursion, Walter was able to save his own son and thus never traveled to the other side, never brought the other Peter back to our side, and never fell into the ice.

If someone with more episodes under their belt can verify, I'd appreciate it.

I think September distracted Walternate from finding that cure, Walter didn't find it in time.

The point I was trying to make was that the Observers wouldn’t have been destroyed or never created by their form of selective forced evolution. They simply would have made different choices using the anomaly as a template (knowing that they didn’t have to sacrifice emotion). So the Observers would have existed and they likely would have observed as well as been noticed by the native population of our dimension / time. The reasons for observation would have likely been different though.

However, I will point out that intellect and emotion were present in invading forces throughout our history so this technically shouldn’t have mattered either way. The presumption is that the Observers with emotion would have been compassionate and evolved enough to have other noninvasive / nondestructive interests,….

Think of it in terms of Klingons invaders caring nothing for the needs of those they conquer and the Federation with the prime directive (not wanting to alter the evolution of less evolved cultures),…

At least that was my take on it.

I have a problem with the paradox solution.

ok if the observers were changed then Walter-nat wouldn't have been distracted by September and he would have seen he had the cure.

So Walter wouldn't have crossed over to save alt-peter, because he wouldn't have needed saving.

Walter-nat didn't do the cortexifan trials so there's not powered up olivia in universe2.

Olivia in Universe1 wouldn't have peter to help her.

Walter would never have gotten out of the asylum just as in universe1b

Due to the ripples there wouldn't be an Olivia and Peter together on 2015.

Peter would be in Universe2c, Olivia in 1c.

people keep forgetting the initial alteration of Walter-nat getting distracted by September while Walter was watching causing Walter to see what the cure was but not Walter-nat.

And if the Observers intent were changed then the cause of the disruption would be changed.
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Although I usually don't like "time travel fixes everything" conclusions, I thought it was a very good series finale.

Overall, sci-fi on TV just got a lot less interesting with Fringe gone.
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As mentioned previously by someone else in this thread, what bothered me about their solution was how they could expect to bring the boy to the evolutionary scientists since the moment the Observers invaded the future was changed. There was a one liner in the finale to acknowledge this and September's time travel knowledge "assured us" they would get the boy to the proper 2167.

While acknowledging that whole time travel thing is pure fantasy (thus far!) I've been of the mind that time doesn't need to always loop back on itself. ie If they got the boy to the future scientists, they wouldn't need to continually repeat this for it to be true. In the Fringe universe Walter said nature abhors a paradox and thus likely he would cease to exist after the time line reset. But he would just magically appear to the 2167 scientists with no historical existence from the new time line perspective.

I imagine JJ likely felt that time paradoxes exist in "time bubbles" or the such hence there could be two 2167s and by sending the boy to the future of their choosing they were able to "collapse" the one the Fringe folk didn't want to happen.

At any rate it is an interesting way to interpret time travel and from a story telling perspective it gives him a lot more flexibility in what the characters can actually do.

reply to Rook008

Yes network TV or TV in general. I don't invest time in any "SyFy" shows any more.

I watch BBT; it's funny and I appreciate the frequent nods to sci-fi.

As for the rest, they hold no interest for me.

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reply to darcilicious
I think Continuum qualifies as sci-fi, but the second season hasn't started yet, and I've already seen the entire first season.
So for me, there really isn't any sci-fi on TV.

Can't wait for BSG: Blood And Chrome to start.
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"Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats." - H. L. Mencken

I’ve watched both Continuum and BSG: Blood And Chrome on Youtube. However, I will watch both on SyFy-HD as they air or rather record them via Media Center PC.

Without getting into specifics, I’ll just assume that one should support a show by actually watching it when it airs. As inaccurate as ratings may be, they are still used as the primary metric in measuring the success of a show. In other words it seems self defeating to watch a show through alternative means, ignore it when it airs only to wonder why the industry seems to be making less and less of what you want to see.

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For what its worth, I think "Defiance" looks fairly good but doesn’t hit until sometime in April:

But how does Rook watching a show, as it airs, affect ratings?
I mean, how do they know I'm watching?

Defiance does look good.
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"Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats." - H. L. Mencken

What you don't think your cable box reports that to them?

I watch broadcast network shows without the set-top-box.
No reason to have it on if I'm not using it.

As for shows on SyFy, yeah, I use the set-top-box, but no, I don't think it affects ratings.
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