 vue666I'm in the prime of my senilityPremium
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Re: [Serious] Scarborough block party turns violent Yeah banning works so well... Did it eliminate prostitution? How about prohibition did it end alcohol consumption? How's it working against drugs?
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said by crazycanuck :McGuinty wants to ban hand guns. These guys seriously need to be kicked out of office. Ford and McGuinity either don't have a clue what they are doing or on drugs.
Banning hand guns won't change a thing. When police actually crack down on drug dealers things will change.
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Outside a gun range, it makes sense. The UK has even more strict handgun regulation than Canada and as has been shown above, has a lower murder rate.
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vue666I'm in the prime of my senilityPremium
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Is it against the law to possess bombs? Yet the Aurora shooter was able to booby trap his apartment...
And prohibition worked so well? How's the ban on recreational drugs working? |
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said by DKS:Outside a gun range, it makes sense. The UK has even more strict handgun regulation than Canada and as has been shown above, has a lower murder rate.
Vermont allows concealed carry without a permit; if an 18 year old decides he wants to walk outside his home with a gun strapped to him, he doesn't need to ask anyone.
Vermont is in the lowest 49th state in crime rankings... out of how many states?
El Paso, Texas... ranked as one of the safest cities in all of USA - "Texas poised to allow guns on campuses - El Paso Times"
Whatever plausible, opportunistic arguments you may have for gun control, trying to prove it with crime rates is futile as it can easily be proven that there are areas that openly allow people to carry guns and have the lowest crime rates. |
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3 more shootings last night..
this is getting insane... |
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said by urbanriot:Whatever plausible, opportunistic arguments you may have for gun control, trying to prove it with crime rates is futile as it can easily be proven that there are areas that openly allow people to carry guns and have the lowest crime rates.
The crime rates for handguns have been posted earlier. Gun control works at a whole bunch of levels, except for those who think believe they are so exceptional that their right to own a gun means they can walk anywhere and do anything. There are rules in place for a whole bunch of good reasons. This is just another example of why we need and have strong gun control legislation and have in Canada (except for the Damned Reformatories and their foolish destruction of the gun registry to kow-tow to their voter base).
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vue666I'm in the prime of my senilityPremium
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Still believe criminals would register their firearms, eh... |
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said by NCRGuy:They will likely come once they have their ducks in a row. This is a charge that is likely easier for them to prove, and allows them to get him off the street now, buying a little more time to dot i's and cross t's with any others.
agreed...a "high end" charge requires a much higher burden of proof, and rather than "start" the early stages of charges/court proceedings, and have him out on bail, you can start low to get him off the streets, then as the evidence starts to come in, pile on the more serious charges...this happens fairly often, actually.
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Two more shootings overnight. Separate locations.
I guess one shouldn't go out a night. Most violent crimes occur at night.
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vue666I'm in the prime of my senilityPremium
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said by DKS:said by urbanriot:Whatever plausible, opportunistic arguments you may have for gun control, trying to prove it with crime rates is futile as it can easily be proven that there are areas that openly allow people to carry guns and have the lowest crime rates.
The crime rates for handguns have been posted earlier. Gun control works at a whole bunch of levels, except for those who think believe they are so exceptional that their right to own a gun means they can walk anywhere and do anything. There are rules in place for a whole bunch of good reasons. This is just another example of why we need and have strong gun control legislation and have in Canada (except for the Damned Reformatories and their foolish destruction of the gun registry to kow-tow to their voter base). Yup the crime rates have been posted YET you continue to ignore the fact Vermont is one of the safest states... |
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| said by vue666:said by DKS:said by urbanriot:Whatever plausible, opportunistic arguments you may have for gun control, trying to prove it with crime rates is futile as it can easily be proven that there are areas that openly allow people to carry guns and have the lowest crime rates.
The crime rates for handguns have been posted earlier. Gun control works at a whole bunch of levels, except for those who think believe they are so exceptional that their right to own a gun means they can walk anywhere and do anything. There are rules in place for a whole bunch of good reasons. Yup the crime rates have been posted YET you continue to ignore the fact Vermont is one of the safest states... That's how it goes. Proof that people can responsibly use guns? "I don't care, I hate guns."
Whenever people are killed, the same people engage in political opportunism and trot out, "this is why we need to take guns away from law abiding citizens" and the deaths are their proof.
Why don't we investigate how much we victimize and molly coddle people with 'psychological diseases' or treat certain crimes with wrist slaps? Let's take advantage of this situation to do that.
Or why don't we investigate how he was able to stockpile so much weaponry in such a short time?
Can people in Canada buy "an A-15 assault rifle" followed by "four guns at local gun shops and through the Internet [purchase] over 6,000 rounds of ammunition, more than 3,000 rounds of 223 ammunition for the assault rifle, 3,000 rounds of 40 caliber ammunition for the two glocks in his possession, 300 rounds for the 12 gauge shotgun" and 'through the internet [purchase] multiple magazines for the 223 caliber assault rifle including one 100 round drum magazine which was recovered from the scene.'
... in 60 days, can you do that in Canada? |
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said by TLS2000:Yes, heaven forbid they should do what they were elected to do.
Doesn't make it right.
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said by urbanriot:That's how it goes. Proof that people can responsibly use guns? "I don't care, I hate guns."
Yup. There is no reason for anyone outside of police and certain security guards to carry a handgun in Canada, save being in the wilderness, for protection (and a pistol will do nothing to bring down a bear except make them more angry).
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Yup. There is no reason for anyone outside of police and certain security guards to carry a handgun in Canada, save being in the wilderness, for protection (and a pistol will do nothing to bring down a bear except make them more angry).
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vue666I'm in the prime of my senilityPremium
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said by DKS:said by TLS2000:Yes, heaven forbid they should do what they were elected to do.
Doesn't make it right. So keeping an election promise is wrong... Gimme a break.... |
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vue666I'm in the prime of my senilityPremium
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Those that claim guns are entering Canada via the USA border were the first to complain about border crossing delays due to tightening security because of the war on terror.... |
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| said by vue666:Those that claim guns are entering Canada via the USA border were the first to complain about border crossing delays due to tightening security because of the war on terror.... Really? Who were they, specifically? |
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said by DKS:said by urbanriot:That's how it goes. Proof that people can responsibly use guns? "I don't care, I hate guns."
Yup. There is no reason for anyone outside of police and certain security guards to carry a handgun in Canada, save being in the wilderness, for protection (and a pistol will do nothing to bring down a bear except make them more angry). Wrong. There's no reason FOR YOU. You're projecting your incapabilities on the rest of society, so you should adjust your assertions to reflect your abilities and not the abilities of other people in our society. The people you're all discussing weren't shot by responsible gun owners. |
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said by DKS:Yup. There is no reason for anyone outside of police and certain security guards to carry a handgun in Canada, save being in the wilderness, for protection (and a pistol will do nothing to bring down a bear except make them more angry).
I guess you'll be happy to know that carrying handguns is ALREADY illegal in Canada then, even for lawful handgun owners.
BTW you seem quite happy to quote English statistics regarding banning handguns. How about you quote the statistics between before they banned handguns to now? How about quoting their crime rates from before they banned handguns to now?
Please, enlighten us.
You may also want to refer on this previous thread on the topic when I proved gun bans have absolutely no impact on gun crime rates as there are at least as many countries with less stringent controls and lower gun crime rates as there are countries with more stringent controls and lower gun crime rates. There's also at least as many countries with more stringent controls and higher gun crime rates.
The fact of the matter is that everywhere gun control measures have been relaxed gun crime has gone down. That is most obvious in the 30 or so US states that have started allowing concealed carry over the last 20 years and which have ALL seen reduced gun crimes, and reduced crime rates in general.
said by urbanriot:Can people in Canada buy "an A-15 assault rifle" followed by "four guns at local gun shops and through the Internet [purchase] over 6,000 rounds of ammunition, more than 3,000 rounds of 223 ammunition for the assault rifle, 3,000 rounds of 40 caliber ammunition for the two glocks in his possession, 300 rounds for the 12 gauge shotgun" and 'through the internet [purchase] multiple magazines for the 223 caliber assault rifle including one 100 round drum magazine which was recovered from the scene.'
... in 60 days, can you do that in Canada? As a matter of fact, yes, it is possible to do all that in Canada (except for the 100 round drum magazine, which is a prohibited item). You could do it all in one afternoon if you wished. The restricted firearm sales (AR-15 and handguns in this case) would go to the provincial CFO for review and approval before the transfer would be approved and, in a case like that, references provided when applying for the firearm license would likely get called to double-check whether there's anything wrong with the license holder (such as being laid off, relationship breakup, mental illness, etc.) before the transfer would be approved. If I had the disposable income to do it I could be done by the end of the weekend, although I'd have no need to as I pretty much already own all that, just like thousands of other Canadians.
As a matter of fact tomorrow I'm taking a fellow DSLReporter out to the range and will be lugging around a very similar inventory. I'll let you know if any of my firearm goes rogue and kills a bunch of people on it's own when I drive by the theater.
In the case of a criminal, he could still do all that, except there'd be no checks whatsoever and whatever firearm he'd be purchasing would have their serial number filed off. |
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