 vue666I'm in the prime of my senilityPremium
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Re: [Serious] Scarborough block party turns violent It's a very complex issue. To resolve the problem long term we need to identify why people are involved in crime, why they desire drugs and guns. So YES social programs would help to fix this long term once the desire is identified.. I believe it would help to prevent people from becoming involved in these activities in the future..
However we also need a short fix. To stop the crime that is happening right now. To make the community safer...So YES getting these thugs off of the streets would make society safer NOW, I would agree locking them up is part of the solution, albeit a short term solution...
So there are no simple answers to this problem. However the fix would involve not one solution but many...
however making life more difficult for law abiding people is NOT part of the solution at least IMHO....
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meh, crime is at its lowest rate in 40 years...why bother doing anything...shootings like this just aren't worth the money to spend on prisons and keeping thugs in jail...obviously the status quo is working just fine.
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Halifax, NS | said by dirtyjeffer:meh, crime is at its lowest rate in 40 years...why bother doing anything...shootings like this just aren't worth the money to spend on prisons and keeping thugs in jail...obviously the status quo is working just fine.
»www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/201···?cmp=rss
Crime maybe down but homicide is up...
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But while the number of some offences such as attempted murders, assaults and break-ins were down from 2010, there was an increase in other serious crimes in 2011, including:
Homicide (seven per cent increase).
Criminal harassment (one per cent increase).
Sexual violations against children (three per cent increase).
Child pornography (40 per cent increase).
Impaired driving (two per cent increase).
According to the CCJS, the increase in the national homicide rate was driven by murders in Alberta and Quebec last year.
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| One needs to look at the total number of attempted murders and actual murders combined versus previous years to get a more realistic indication of an increase or decrease in these types of crimes. Both of these crimes are related, and if one goes up while the other goes down all that does it indicate that people are more efficient at reaching their goal, not that the number of people who want to kill other people is going up. One should also keep in mind that the increase in murder was specific to Alberta and Quebec as well, not Ontario or Nova Scotia.
As for the child pornography numbers, that has more to do with efficiency in police work more than anything else. Canada is a world leader in tracking down child exploitation in the Internet. Other countries - including the US - come to us to track down people. No surprise with that number at all. |
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interesting comment article in the paper today...aligns quite well with my opinions on the "societal change" that started a few decades ago and i think is responsible for part of the mess we are dealing with today.
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| Sports programs are a *huge* benefit to the community and are an excellent way of keeping at-risk youth out of trouble for a whole slew of reasons - teamwork, having something to do, working for a cause greater than oneself, etc. The article is bang on. Even the non-competitive systems that they're setting up for younger kids now is a great way to keep them out of trouble and give them the foundation for staying out of trouble. |
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Halifax, NS | Great find DJ... and bang on... this is a very complex issue and simple stop gap, feel good fixes are not addressing the bigger problems in our society... |
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said by urbanriot:Agreed. A lot of young men need a positive male role model which they may not be getting at home. I don't think people truly grasp the benefits Toronto and other cities around the country would have saw had even a fraction of the money that had been wasted on something like the long gun registry had been invested into after school sports programs. I just shake my head when I think about it, because so much benefit had been thrown down the toilet while we were paying for such a useless program. |
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vue666I'm in the prime of my senilityPremium
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Halifax, NS | Exactly the long gun registry was one of those stop gap, feel good reactions to a singular (albiet very tragic) event that did not address the root cause... |
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kudos:3 | It's not very often I agree with you vue, but that's exactly what it was. |
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vue666I'm in the prime of my senilityPremium
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Halifax, NS | Yeah...sometimes a cat & dog will stop at the same watering hole & share a sip without scratching and biting each other.... LOL |
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said by Gone:Sports programs are a *huge* benefit to the community and are an excellent way of keeping at-risk youth out of trouble for a whole slew of reasons - teamwork, having something to do, working for a cause greater than oneself, etc. We need more motor sports in the GTA and an approved dragstrip. Back in the day the most trouble we would get into was traffic ticket or two for racing if that and then off to the drug store for a milk shake. Now the hippity hop wanna be gangsters are all about being "up in da club" and da bling and the da dope and da "respect" or I'll blow your head off mofo. |
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| said by peterboro:said by Gone:Sports programs are a *huge* benefit to the community and are an excellent way of keeping at-risk youth out of trouble for a whole slew of reasons - teamwork, having something to do, working for a cause greater than oneself, etc. We need more motor sports in the GTA and an approved dragstrip. Back in the day the most trouble we would get into was traffic ticket or two for racing if that and then off to the drug store for a milk shake. Now the hippity hop wanna be gangsters are all about being "up in da club" and da bling and the da dope and da "respect" or I'll blow your head off mofo. now the hippity hop have rappers as their role models... |
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said by Gone:Sports programs are a *huge* benefit to the community and are an excellent way of keeping at-risk youth out of trouble for a whole slew of reasons - teamwork, having something to do, working for a cause greater than oneself, etc. The article is bang on. Even the non-competitive systems that they're setting up for younger kids now is a great way to keep them out of trouble and give them the foundation for staying out of trouble. said by urbanriot:Agreed. A lot of young men need a positive male role model which they may not be getting at home.
I couldn't agree more. Kids with too much free time are very 'At Risk' of finding trouble.
I'll go one step further though and include girls and a broader scope of organized activities to include dance classes, crafts, instruments and other arts for starters.
I'd also like to see after school programs better funded with decent pay for the people we are putting in these 'role model' positions to attract quality individuals.
They long term pay off for the individuals and society would imo far outweigh the cost. Imagine spending money on kids now or we can pay later.
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Accused barbecue shooter is Somalian refugee TORONTO - An accused gunman charged with firing a weapon at a Scarborough barbeque where two people were killed and 23 others wounded arrived in Canada as a refugee from Somalia seeking a better life, border officials say.
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But the 19-year-old allegedly “fell in with the wrong crowd” after obtaining Canadian citizenship, officers of the Canada Border Services Agency (CBSA) said.
More in detail, at what age did he fall in with the wrong crowd? When did he come into our country? Was he a criminal in Somalia and came here at 18 or did he come here at 6 and didn't have a proper family upbringing?
I believe these details, this man's story, is important to preventing or mitigating future events similar to this one. |
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| said by urbanriot:said by jaberi:TORONTO - An accused gunman charged with firing a weapon at a Scarborough barbeque where two people were killed and 23 others wounded arrived in Canada as a refugee from Somalia seeking a better life, border officials say. I'd like to know more about his history... quote:
But the 19-year-old allegedly “fell in with the wrong crowd” after obtaining Canadian citizenship, officers of the Canada Border Services Agency (CBSA) said.
More in detail, at what age did he fall in with the wrong crowd? When did he come into our country? Was he a criminal in Somalia and came here at 18 or did he come here at 6 and didn't have a proper family upbringing? I believe these details, this man's story, is important to preventing or mitigating future events similar to this one. that might not become available....this is a ground the police will not want to disturb, for fear of being called racists...
incidentally, somalian refugees are having a very hard time integrating into canadian society, and have blamed police quite often...when the members of their own gang get killed the parents say it is the canadians fault and refuse to believe what their children are involved with...
social programs that of what was discussed in previous posts are being established for them, and police dedicate time to work with them....however, drugs are more appealing and they choose that path, really no different than many canadian thugs..... |
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Re: [Serious] Scarborough block party turns violent From that link,
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City councillor Adam Vaughan had this to say: "It ain't football coaching that's going to get us out of this mess, it's youth workers..."
 No doubt to create a more egalitarian society.
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