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donoreo
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reply to Wolfie00

Re: [Serious] The most honest three and a half minutes of televi

said by Wolfie00:

said by IamGimli:

said by donoreo:

To once again try to go back to the show, Dan Rather likes it:

»gawker.com/5926222/dan-rather-ep···g-winner

Haha, not surprising as a lot of the show's premise is loosely inspired by Rather's own "challenges" with prime time news (as I see it anyway).

Dan Rather never had any "challenges" in prime-time news that I'm aware of. Maybe you're thinking of the falsified documents that were fed to CBS about Bush's National Guard record, which was run on "60 Minutes" (and resulted in much of the production staff being fired). Rather himself is a respected journalist and the recepient of 7 Peabody awards for public service in journalism, and many other distinguished honours.

I was going to comment on this earlier. What he likes is the realism of how a newsroom works.
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said by PX Eliezer7:

There's no TV show in France saying that France is bad.

As a Francophone and someone who's spent a bit of time in France I didn't have to go very far to find criticism of the French and France by the French, spoken in public places, on television and just about everywhere.

They're very aware of the problems faced by their nation and have no problems speaking out about them, yes the US is critical of itself but so are a whole host of other nations as well, Germany and the Baltic states also come to mind.

I'd counter your argument that the only nations who don't criticize themselves regularly are those where the criticism would cause a despotic government to lose grip on their already tenuous hold on power.
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said by Wolfie00:

Dan Rather never had any "challenges" in prime-time news that I'm aware of. Maybe you're thinking of the falsified documents that were fed to CBS about Bush's National Guard record, which was run on "60 Minutes" (and resulted in much of the production staff being fired). Rather himself is a respected journalist and the recepient of 7 Peabody awards for public service in journalism, and many other distinguished honours.

His journalistic integrity and refusal to comply with the infotainment model is exactly what his challenges with prime time news are, and why he's stuck on cable networks instead of being a lead anchor on a prime time/network news show.


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Ah, thanks for the clarification. That may well be true. This sounds like a series I might like. I haven't seen any of it yet.



donoreo
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said by Wolfie00:

Ah, thanks for the clarification. That may well be true. This sounds like a series I might like. I haven't seen any of it yet.

It is well written, Sorkin does dry, intelligent humour well.


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said by Wolfie00:

Ah, thanks for the clarification. That may well be true. This sounds like a series I might like. I haven't seen any of it yet.

Trust me, you'll love it. Dan Rather isn't lying when he says that Sam Waterson's performance is masterful.


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said by Gone:

said by Wolfie00:

Ah, thanks for the clarification. That may well be true. This sounds like a series I might like. I haven't seen any of it yet.

Trust me, you'll love it. Dan Rather isn't lying when he says that Sam Waterson's performance is masterful.

It is great. Some times he is a playing a stooge and at others he is sharp as a tack. It works very well.
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said by donoreo:

It is great. Some times he is a playing a stooge and at others he is sharp as a tack. It works very well.

The scene a few minutes into the first episode where he freaked out on Don after being so calm and collected immediately prior is a testament to his acting skills.

Edit - Here's the entire first episode. If you want to wait until you get an HD version to watch and enjoy, at least watch the scene with Waterson that I mentioned above. It'll wet your apitite for how well-done this show is. Fast forward to 17:40.

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=1U4ZhFDF···rified=1


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The Infotainment news is everywhere.

Yahoo, hired a new CEO, apparently she's quite a business pitbull, but it's all been overshadowed by the fact that she announced (on Facebook) that she's pregnant.

»www.thestar.com/business/science···-revenue
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BTW, The Newsroom is already renewed for a second season.


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reply to IamGimli

said by IamGimli:

said by PX Eliezer7:

But the whole premise of that TV show scene is a fraud, a setup, a con.

Actually I don't think you understand what the actual premise of the show is at all.

I was referring to the specific SCENE.

I should have bolded that word, thus:

said by PX Eliezer7:

But the whole premise of that TV show scene is a fraud, a setup, a con.

Which it is, because maybe outside of a Miss Iowa competition, I've never seen any serious political situation in which people were asked "Tell us why America is the best country in the world".

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said by El Quintron:

said by PX Eliezer7:

There's no TV show in France saying that France is bad.

As a Francophone and someone who's spent a bit of time in France I didn't have to go very far to find criticism of the French and France by the French, spoken in public places, on television and just about everywhere.

I'm glad to hear that, thanks.


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said by PX Eliezer7:

I've never seen any serious political situation in which people were asked "Tell us why America is the best country in the world".

I don't think it's unreasonable to say that the scene is an observation on the constant mantra by politicians that the USA is the best country in the world, when it fact there are many statistics that would point out quite the opposite.


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said by elwoodblues:

The Infotainment news is everywhere.

Yahoo, hired a new CEO, apparently she's quite a business pitbull, but it's all been overshadowed by the fact that she announced (on Facebook) that she's pregnant.

»www.thestar.com/business/science···-revenue

Maybe it's just the kind of news some people like to watch or read. None of the substantive, responsible news stories in the last couple of days mentioned this irrelevant crap. And incidentally, Mayer herself is encouraging this kind of babble. She's a publicity hound and at Google she even had her own personal publicist. Apparently manipulating the unwashed rubes is good for business.


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said by donoreo:

BTW, The Newsroom is already renewed for a second season.

To be honest, while I found the pilot episode with the tirade against American supremacy enjoyable and entertaining, what I found in subsequent episodes was little more than a thinly disguised soap opera revolving around the office romances of the cast and crew.

I would have preferred it if they'd brought back Living in My Car for another season instead...

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said by Wolfie00:

Apparently manipulating the unwashed rubes is good for business.

Appropriate for "Yahoo".......

A Yahoo is a legendary being in the novel Gulliver's Travels (1726) by Jonathan Swift.

Swift describes them as being filthy and with unpleasant habits, resembling human beings far too closely for the liking of protagonist Lemuel Gulliver, who finds the calm and rational society of intelligent horses, the Houyhnhnms, far preferable.

The Yahoos are primitive creatures obsessed with "pretty stones" they find by digging in mud, thus representing the distasteful materialism and ignorant elitism Swift encountered in Britain. Hence the term "yahoo" has come to mean "a crude, brutish or obscenely coarse person".

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said by Gone:

I don't think it's unreasonable to say that the scene is an observation on the constant mantra by politicians that the USA is the best country in the world....

Our lunatic fringe, like your Wild Rose party.

Americans do have pride in their country, yet as we have come from so many different places (I met a woman yesterday who was Russian and Irish) we are actually rather low on the xenophobia scale.

said by Gone:

....when it fact there are many statistics that would point out quite the opposite.

Stats are one thing, but who has better cheeseburgers and fried chicken?


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said by PX Eliezer7:

Our lunatic fringe, like your Wild Rose party.

No, our "lunatic fringe" is the same as your Democrats. Your politics are so skewed to the right that you can't draw a valid comparison at all.

said by PX Eliezer7:

Stats are one thing, but who has better cheeseburgers and fried chicken?

A cheeseburger is a cheeseburger. It's not hard for anyone to make them, and I've had awesome ones on both sides of the border.

But fried chicken... yeah you got me there.


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said by PX Eliezer7:

Stats are one thing, but who has better cheeseburgers and fried chicken?

On the esteemed standard of "country that serves the tastiest form of heart disease", who has better poutine?


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said by Wolfie00:

said by PX Eliezer7:

Stats are one thing, but who has better cheeseburgers and fried chicken?

On the esteemed standard of "country that serves the tastiest form of heart disease", who has better poutine?

I dunno, you seen the menu at the Heart Attack Cafe lately? Not to mention they're also the home of the Double Down, that "attack of the salt" that KFC calls a sandwich.
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said by elwoodblues:

I dunno, you seen the menu at the Heart Attack Cafe lately? Not to mention they're also the home of the Double Down, that "attack of the salt" that KFC calls a sandwich.

If we're only talking tasty Heart Disease here, KFC ain't got nothing on Poutine as far as I'm concerned.

Now if we're talking about which is better between Poutine and Smoked Meat Poutine that's a real test.
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said by El Quintron:

said by elwoodblues:

I dunno, you seen the menu at the Heart Attack Cafe lately? Not to mention they're also the home of the Double Down, that "attack of the salt" that KFC calls a sandwich.

If we're only talking tasty Heart Disease here, KFC ain't got nothing on Poutine as far as I'm concerned.

You guys are able to eat Poutine without worrying, you got healthcare.


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Does every thread have to be about healthcare?
Even in the Cogeco buys Atlantic cable there is a comment about that.



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said by PX Eliezer7:

You guys are able to eat Poutine without worrying, you got healthcare.

It's so delicious I'd probably make room for it even if I didn't... just talking about it is making me hungry!
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said by Wolfie00:

The Infotainment news is everywhere.

Anybody else notice that The Discovery Channel (Canada) has been dumbed-down since Bell bought it?


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I like it so far. I have trouble with their lead female choice. She's a great actress but I just don't picture her as a hardened war correspondent.

I enjoyed the first few seasons of the West Wing too. It'll be interesting to see if they can develop this series without it getting too much like a soap opera And dumbing it down.

It's hard to find a decent show on tv these days.

Edit: autocorrect thinks like=lime

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Re: [Serious] The most honest three and a half minutes of televi

Guspaz, forgive me for correcting you, but there is College education here in Ontario, too.

Right after High School, & before Uni'. Am I missing something? How is that not the same as Quebec?

I went to College before going to Uni'. We have a similar system. I don't believe Quebec is unique.



donoreo
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said by n3k0 :

Guspaz, forgive me for correcting you, but there is College education here in Ontario, too.

Right after High School, & before Uni'. Am I missing something? How is that not the same as Quebec?

I went to College before going to Uni'. We have a similar system. I don't believe Quebec is unique.

He is referring to CEGEP. In Quebec one must go before University, that is not the case in Ontario.
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said by kim:

I enjoyed the first few seasons of the West Wing too. It'll be interesting to see if they can develop this series without it getting too much lime a soap opera And dumbing it down.

It's hard to find a decent show on tv these days.

It's HBO it shouldn't happen,check out the Borigas.. really really good.
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