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urbang33k

join:2010-02-13
Canada
kudos:1
reply to MaynardKrebs

Re: Has DSL pair bonding arrived at Bell?

said by MaynardKrebs:

said by urbang33k:



Expertechs conditioning project involves re-establishing those bonds of the distribution cables that have been 'broken' over the years.

The process in and of itself is referred to as 'bonding' in either a construction/repair/rehabilitation perspective.

So what you are saying is that large portions of rate increases for "maintenance" are directly attributable to sloth and shoddy work practices @ Bell over the years.

In other words, the shareholders should be bearing the financial burden for THEIR failure in appointing effective management over the years.

i didn't say that at all so dont put words in my mouth.

the conditiong project isn't limited to bonding. bonding isn't even the main reason for the conditioning project. the primary reason is pair dedication and bridge-tap elimination. bonding is part of the project simply because they are already in the terminals to begin with so might as well ensure everything is proper.
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Opinions and ideas expressed in my post are my own and in no way represent those of Bell Canada Enterprises, Bell Canada, Bell TV, Bell Internet, Bell Mobility, Bell Technical Solutions, Expertech, or any other partners under the BCE umbrella.

kovy7

join:2009-03-26
kudos:8
reply to XanderLo
said by XanderLo:

said by kovy7:

said by XanderLo:

Thanks for the info. That's what he must've meant then!

What puzzles me is that they've been done with the reconditioning for a few months and yet my attainable rate on ADSL2+ remains 17mbps. Can that be a normal scenario?

perfectly normal. Distance is a real issue.

Yes I understand that but if I'm to get Fibe TV soon, wouldn't their reconditioning give me higher attainable rate on ADSL2+ or it only affects VDSL2? As I previously said, they've been done with the reconditioning for a few months.

If your main problem is distance, reconditionning the lines won't do a thing... If you didn't had problems with your line before, I very much doubt reconditioning the lines would do anything for your attainable rate.

Reconditionning the lines was for IPTV, making the service as stable as possible... But people could already get Fibe25 before confitioning the lines... so if you can't get fibe25, then forget about IPTV.


XanderLo

join:2002-06-19
Boucherville, QC
said by kovy7:

If your main problem is distance, reconditionning the lines won't do a thing... If you didn't had problems with your line before, I very much doubt reconditioning the lines would do anything for your attainable rate.

Reconditionning the lines was for IPTV, making the service as stable as possible... But people could already get Fibe25 before confitioning the lines... so if you can't get fibe25, then forget about IPTV.

So many conflicting answers, yet yours makes the most sense because my attainable rate on ADSL2+ is 17mbps -after- reconditioning was completed. ;p

kovy7

join:2009-03-26
kudos:8
said by XanderLo:

said by kovy7:

If your main problem is distance, reconditionning the lines won't do a thing... If you didn't had problems with your line before, I very much doubt reconditioning the lines would do anything for your attainable rate.

Reconditionning the lines was for IPTV, making the service as stable as possible... But people could already get Fibe25 before confitioning the lines... so if you can't get fibe25, then forget about IPTV.

So many conflicting answers, yet yours makes the most sense because my attainable rate on ADSL2+ is 17mbps -after- reconditioning was completed. ;p

Yeah same for me on VDSL2.

34764170

join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON

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reply to kovy7
said by kovy7:

Yes, they're already dealing with it with FTTH.

And not everyone need speed... some would love caps, lower price, better service... you know.

FTTH does not help with the many areas that will never see FTTH. So they'll need options on the FTTN side.

That's not really the point. They have to be able to offer FibeTV 25 or faster in a neighborhood. Remember their biggest product and what is driving their FTTN/FTTH network build out is FibeTV. FibeTV 25 leaves a lot to be desired for Internet speed so that's why they really need a 40 - 50Mbps tier on FTTN.

kovy7

join:2009-03-26
kudos:8
said by 34764170:

said by kovy7:

Yes, they're already dealing with it with FTTH.

And not everyone need speed... some would love caps, lower price, better service... you know.

FTTH does not help with the many areas that will never see FTTH. So they'll need options on the FTTN side.

That's not really the point. They have to be able to offer FibeTV 25 or faster in a neighborhood. Remember their biggest product and what is driving their FTTN/FTTH network build out is FibeTV. FibeTV 25 leaves a lot to be desired for Internet speed so that's why they really need a 40 - 50Mbps tier on FTTN.

Why would areas never see FTTH ?

Heck I have Sat, not going to change for FibeTV since Sat quality is better and I always get full speed of Internet.

Like I said, speed is not the only option for getting customers...


XanderLo

join:2002-06-19
Boucherville, QC
said by kovy7:

said by 34764170:

said by kovy7:

Yes, they're already dealing with it with FTTH.

And not everyone need speed... some would love caps, lower price, better service... you know.

FTTH does not help with the many areas that will never see FTTH. So they'll need options on the FTTN side.

That's not really the point. They have to be able to offer FibeTV 25 or faster in a neighborhood. Remember their biggest product and what is driving their FTTN/FTTH network build out is FibeTV. FibeTV 25 leaves a lot to be desired for Internet speed so that's why they really need a 40 - 50Mbps tier on FTTN.

Why would areas never see FTTH ?

Heck I have Sat, not going to change for FibeTV since Sat quality is better and I always get full speed of Internet.

Like I said, speed is not the only option for getting customers...

FTTH is an extra-long-term solution for Bell, seeing how slow deployment is in general. Hell, I remember reading how VDSL was supposed to be widely deployed for 2006. Yes, that's 6 years ago. Haha.

However, I agree with you that speed is not the only option for getting customers. I'm satisfied with Bell Satellite TV and I pay 15$/month for it after the 10$ bundle credit. That's for HD + 1 free PVR 36/months + 2 theme packages (RDS/RIS/Canal Vie/etc).

I'm afraid Fibe TV might be worth it for FTTH customers only as they get MASSIVE rebates (and none for FTTN customers, go figure). The 10$/month for 6 months promo on web site might be misleading.

I was not aware that Bell Sat image quality was better than Fibe TV though...


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said by pair_bonding :

I know Primus offers pair bonding to businesses under the name "BEX", they advertise up to 20 Mbps symmetrical up/down but can go higher if you're willing to pay.

$400/MO for 5m service? Did I miss something?

They advertise that as a "fraction of the cost of fiber"? Uh, what fraction is that? 11/10ths.

They also advertise is as not DSL, but operates over copper phone lines. So that must make it.... what? Is that the opposite of Fibe?



Maybe I'm just missing something...

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kovy7

join:2009-03-26
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reply to XanderLo
said by XanderLo:

FTTH is an extra-long-term solution for Bell, seeing how slow deployment is in general. Hell, I remember reading how VDSL was supposed to be widely deployed for 2006. Yes, that's 6 years ago. Haha.

However, I agree with you that speed is not the only option for getting customers. I'm satisfied with Bell Satellite TV and I pay 15$/month for it after the 10$ bundle credit. That's for HD + 1 free PVR 36/months + 2 theme packages (RDS/RIS/Canal Vie/etc).

I'm afraid Fibe TV might be worth it for FTTH customers only as they get MASSIVE rebates (and none for FTTN customers, go figure). The 10$/month for 6 months promo on web site might be misleading.

I was not aware that Bell Sat image quality was better than Fibe TV though...

VDSL2 was very late... and once it started, it went very quickly. But things for FTTH are clearly going at a good pace.

Yeah quality wise, FibeTv was better... but since they upgraded the feed from 2hd/2sd to 3hd/1sd... quality went down.

34764170

join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON

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reply to dillyhammer
said by dillyhammer:

They advertise that as a "fraction of the cost of fiber"? Uh, what fraction is that? 11/10ths.

They also advertise is as not DSL, but operates over copper phone lines. So that must make it.... what? Is that the opposite of Fibe?

It's a business service. It's compared to fibre-based services from the ILEC/CLECs, not consumer xDSL.

Some vendors offer equipment which will bond together copper pairs but use Ethernet instead of xDSL.