mworks
join:2006-06-13
Faison, NC | reply to dantheman706
Re: [HSI] So will we have to give up our Modems at some point? We will all be dead and buried before google fiber is nationwide, there is simply no incentive for them to spend the money. |
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| said by mworks:We will all be dead and buried before google fiber is nationwide, there is simply no incentive for them to spend the money.
actually, there is. Even if they dont make a lot per sub, they can smash current incumbents in numbers, and still make a healty profit. With their pricing showing that they can still make a profit, with a gigabit line at $70 per month, it really shows how much current providers are gouging, and shows the need to move to fiber. Installing fiber is cheaper than installing copper lines, and is much cheaper too. The problem, is that current cablecos and telecos have too much invested in their current networks to just simply pull the plug and leave it(meaning raw material wise, the copper was too expensive to leave hanging, and they would likely try and recover it to sell it). The incentive for google is more metrics to sell on everyone(tho they say they dont, how long before that changes), AND, im guessing that once the fiber starts to light up, the current incumbents will either adapt(meaning speed increases to cable customers to try and compete, as well as price drops), or die(most likely, since no teleco or cableco investors want to look at a ROI of 5%(most likely what google will be getting). Get the greedy investors out, regulate the market more, and everything should be fiberin the next century. |
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join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | said by Chubbysumo:With their pricing showing that they can still make a profit, with a gigabit line at $70 per month, it really shows how much current providers are gouging,
Where do you come to the conclusion that because they are charging $70 a month they are making a profit? They could be very well taking a loss. For years when Sony was selling PS3s for $500-$600 they were actually losing $200 on each console sold.
Also one reason Google can sell so cheap is that you agree they can sell your browsing habit info to 3rd parties. |
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| "Also one reason Google can sell so cheap is that you agree they can sell your browsing habit info to 3rd parties."
Reading »www.charter.com/footer/footerPag···idential , it seems that Charter can ,and does, the same .
Have a feeling that the list of ISPs that do not sell info to 3d parties would be shorter than those who do . Much ,much shorter  |
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JTY
join:2004-05-29
Ellensburg, WA | reply to HGLatinBoy
FWIW, I just upgraded to 30Mb/s, and the sales person didn't make me change modems. After confirming I had a DOCSIS 3.0 modem, he said I was good to go. |
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BF69Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | said by MrFixit1: it seems that Charter can ,and does, the same. Have a feeling that the list of ISPs that do not sell info to 3d parties would be shorter than those who do . Much ,much shorter
I suspect Google's data is more valuable than Charter's data.
said by JTY:FWIW, I just upgraded to 30Mb/s, and the sales person didn't make me change modems. After confirming I had a DOCSIS 3.0 modem, he said I was good to go. Makes sense. 1 less modem they have to buy. Also probably has to be one they would have actually have given you anyways. |
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1 edit | "I suspect Google's data is more valuable than Charter's data."
That you and I will have to disagree on .
Consider this , with Charter ( or any ISP ) they are closer to the "source " so it is harder to fudge or limit the data that they see . With Google , unless you are silly enough to remain logged in to them all the time , they can only see slices of your usage .
Since this would tend to make the ISP data more reliable , it should be worth more .
The real question is, can we be sure just what data any ISP is selling ?
With today's standard of all TOS and Agreements being on a web site that is changeable at will and with no warning , what is to prevent some company from deciding to do a quick change , add the words that accessing the web means you consent , and selling any and all the data on you ?
Even if you had the ability to take them to court , and won , how do you " recall " the data once it is out there ?
At least , with Google , it is not hard to make the data less clear .
Yes I am well aware that Google holds a lot more different data on me then Charter , but unless you know the right questions, you cannot be sure that the target you are seeking is the right one . |
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BF69Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | said by MrFixit1:"I suspect Google's data is more valuable than Charter's data."
That you and I will have to disagree on . Let me put it to you this way. You have 10 stamps total in your stamp collection worth $1000 each. I have 500 stamps worth $100 each. Your stamps might be worth more per stamp, my collection of stamps is more valuable than yours.
Charter's data per user may be worth more but Charter has less than 4 million customers. Google has info on 100X that many people. Thus Google's data is worth more. |
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said by JTY:FWIW, I just upgraded to 30Mb/s, and the sales person didn't make me change modems. After confirming I had a DOCSIS 3.0 modem, he said I was good to go.
What brand modem do you have? I have a Zoom modem that I'm not ready to give up yet to upgrade. Haven't gotten my moneys worth out of it yet!
said by BF69:said by MrFixit1: it seems that Charter can ,and does, the same. Have a feeling that the list of ISPs that do not sell info to 3d parties would be shorter than those who do . Much ,much shorter
I suspect Google's data is more valuable than Charter's data. said by JTY:FWIW, I just upgraded to 30Mb/s, and the sales person didn't make me change modems. After confirming I had a DOCSIS 3.0 modem, he said I was good to go. Makes sense. 1 less modem they have to buy. Also probably has to be one they would have actually have given you anyways. I'd have to agree with BF69 on the part of the modem actually being one they would have given you anyway?
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JTY
join:2004-05-29
Ellensburg, WA | I've got a Thomson DCM475, which I don't believe Charter offers in any areas. |
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said by BF69:said by Chubbysumo:With their pricing showing that they can still make a profit, with a gigabit line at $70 per month, it really shows how much current providers are gouging,
Where do you come to the conclusion that because they are charging $70 a month they are making a profit? They could be very well taking a loss. For years when Sony was selling PS3s for $500-$600 they were actually losing $200 on each console sold. Also one reason Google can sell so cheap is that you agree they can sell your browsing habit info to 3rd parties. Because google themselves said that at the $70 price point, the gig connection is profitable to them. im trying to find the press release where they explicity state they are not subsidizing this with other products or services, and are simply pricing it just above what it actually costs them, and still making a decent profit per line. |
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BF69Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | said by Chubbysumo:said by BF69:said by Chubbysumo:With their pricing showing that they can still make a profit, with a gigabit line at $70 per month, it really shows how much current providers are gouging,
Where do you come to the conclusion that because they are charging $70 a month they are making a profit? They could be very well taking a loss. For years when Sony was selling PS3s for $500-$600 they were actually losing $200 on each console sold. Also one reason Google can sell so cheap is that you agree they can sell your browsing habit info to 3rd parties. Because google themselves said that at the $70 price point, the gig connection is profitable to them. im trying to find the press release where they explicity state they are not subsidizing this with other products or services, and are simply pricing it just above what it actually costs them, and still making a decent profit per line. Well you find that and get back to me. If that statement actually existed you'd think it would be easy to find. |
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said by JTY:I've got a Thomson DCM475, which I don't believe Charter offers in any areas.
Hmm?
Never even heard of that brand modem. Maybe I'll give it a shot at calling them, but if they tell me I have to use their modem, I will cancel that upgrade then and there.
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| Thomson DCM475
CableLabs DOCSIS(option)/Cable Europe Labs EuroDOCSIS 1.0/1.1/2.0/3.0 compliant.
Support Multiple Provisioning Modes.
Standard RJ-45 connector for 10/100/1000 BaseT Ethernet with auto-negotiation and MDIX functions; Support
maximum Ethernet cable length up to 100m (Category 5).
Support 8 downstream channels and 4 upstream channels.
Giga tuner design.
Maximum data rate upstream up to 120 Mbps (Theoretical) and downstream up to 340 Mbps (440 Mbps
EuroDOCSIS) (Theoretical).
Transparent bridging for IP traffic.
RSA and 56 bit DES data encryption security.
SNMP network management support.
Remote operating firmware downloading.
Support Web pages and private DHCP server for status monitoring. |
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Craiger
join:2012-07-05
Chesterfield, MO | reply to HGLatinBoy
Charter really needs something like a 15mbps for $20 a month for people who just want to do general web surfing to check news on blogs watch youtube videos. |
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BF69Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | said by Craiger:Charter really needs something like a 15mbps for $20 a month for people who just want to do general web surfing to check news on blogs watch youtube videos.
Charter had a 15 Mbps tier they just got rid of it. Why should they give it to you for $20? Even the old 3 Meg tier was $25 and At&t cheapest plan is $25 a month and that's for 768 kbps. They charge $48 for 12 Mbps but Charter is supposed to give you 15 Mbps for $20? |
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| Hey BF69,
Why do you feel the need to quote EVERY post you reply to, especially when the one you're replying to is immediately above your post. Can't you see that this site, as most sites do, show who you're replying to?
Besides,
Who gives a rats rip about what some other ISP is charging? Maybe, although I know it's an impossibility, Charter could start a trend of cheaper internet services!
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BF69Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | Of course it matters. You want Charter to give you something that no one else offers or you feel like you are being fucked over. That a weird sense of entitlement. You have a choice it's 30 Meg or 100 meg or go elsewhere. Pretty simple. |
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1 edit | I don't want Charter to give me anything, in the sense you're talking, but what's wrong with being a leader or innovator, neither of which Charter comes remotely close to being.
I take that back. They DO come close to being leaders and innovators of stupidity. Is it any wonder they've almost ran themselves into the ground? Pretty bad when you're the #3 cable company and can't even break even in the accounting department.
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| Cork, I think it was said pretty clear above. Charter's prices for internet are actually quite a lot cheaper pound for pound than the competitor. The reality of the situation is you can go to another provider who is going to charge you (every day pricing, maybe not promo pricing) more for less. If the price is your only concern and you don't care about bandwidth, go with a cheap 1Mbps DSL connection. I doubt you are going to find a better (non-promo) price for internet. 49.99 for 30Mbps is quite reasonable. |
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