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2012-Jul-19 4:02 pm
More fast food employee stupidityPosting photos anonymously doesn't protect one from being tracked down. This dummy is now very well educated on just what EXIF DATA is and how useful it can be in identifying people. The internet can be a magical place sometimes.
A (briefly) anonymous employee of Burger King snapped a pic of himself, which you can see to the right, standing on two containers of lettuce. And not so much on the containers of lettuce so much as in the containers of lettuce. The lettuce that people were going to eat. ...
Anyway... he posted the pic on 4Chan.
Anonymous, the online collective famous for high-profile hackings, internet sleuthing, and virtual attacks against monster companies like Mastercard, didn't take too kindly to senor asshole's post and quickly destroyed his nameless, faceless designs by grabbing the GPS data from the picture, which our mastermind was too dumb to strip before posting. You can also sorta see a barcode in the background on a box, which would have been another clue.
It took all of 15 minutes, according to HyperVocal.com, to find out that the employee worked at the Burger King in Mayfield Heights. ... » gothamist.com/2012/07/18 ··· o_of.php |
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 StuartMWWho Is John Galt?
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2012-Jul-19 4:19 pm
FYI most stand alone camera's don't have GPS and therefore don't embed this info in EXIF. Camera phones do. Do the math. I saw the other day (in the news on this site) that making/receiving voice calls is the 5th rated activity with smartphones. Evidently taking photo's, posting to FB etc is much more important. |
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 jaykaykay4 Ever Young
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Many do...too many. I avoided buying one and bought an older version of one so that I didn't have to contend with GPS. Many people buy them because they do so where they were can be pinpointed from the image itself. Anyone that does photography should be aware of this and if they don't want it to be a part of an image shown on the Internet, they should learn how to avoid the issue. |
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StuartMWWho Is John Galt?
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2012-Jul-19 4:44 pm
I assume you mean standalone camera's. If so which ones? I know some higher end DSLR's have GPS built-in or as an option but haven't seen that in compact digital camera's (what most people have). All my "toys" are standalone. My camera take pictures. My GPS tells me where I am. My (dumb) cellphone makes calls. I deliberately avoid integrated devices mainly because they're not as good as standalone ones IMO. However security/privacy is also a consideration. |
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If people think this is the worse that happens and find it "horrific". Only if they knew. This is tamed compared to what really goes on out there. |
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said by KoRnGtL15:If people think this is the worse that happens and find it "horrific". Only if they knew. This is tamed compared to what really goes on out there. Some employee somewhere has blown their nose into a salad or ejaculated into the mayonnaise supply-- or stood on the lettuce with the filthy bottoms of their shoes. Right, most of us are aware these things 'go on out there'. The thread here isn't so much about these "horrific" things, but about embedded EXIF data in photos and how that can affect one's personal life when the pics are publicly posted-- in this case, causing this particular genius to be busted and fired for his actions. I'll also note that being fired from your job at Burger King could be considered more of a favor than a penalty. |
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As an example, » www.pcworld.com/article/ ··· tos.html. I bought a Lumix several years ago, and I made sure to get one without that feature...just for my own ease. I believe that Sony, Cool Pix, and others have them as well in the newer models. |
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geotagging, even Mythbusters get burnt » www.nytimes.com/2010/08/ ··· ics.html |
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OK, I'm not clear on an issue touched on in the thread. Do current new Smartphone cameras all have this GPS info embedded in all of their pictures. Or is none, or just some and how do you know if they do or don't if it is a mixed bag? |
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StuartMWWho Is John Galt?
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2012-Jul-19 8:10 pm
Many Smartphones (iPhone, Android units etc) embed GPS data in images (EXIF fields). Google "EXIF viewer" and take a look at images taken by your Smartphone and/or camera. If they contain Latitude/Longitude fields then the images are being geotagged. |
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 JuggernautIrreverent or irrelevant?
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All of it is turned off. I remember where I was when I take those pics. I'm not senile!  |
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StuartMWWho Is John Galt?
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2012-Jul-19 8:23 pm
Well not yet  But in 20-30 years will you remember where you took your pics? Geotagging is not always a bad thing. The problem is end-user ignorance. Sending pics directly from your Smartphone to FB etc may allow others to determine exactly where you were/are along with other personal info. |
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What is this 'FB' thing you speak of?  True, it's not always a bad thing; a remote location that may be hard to find, a fishing hole etc. are good uses. But, other than that, it's a fail for me. |
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StuartMWWho Is John Galt?
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2012-Jul-19 8:28 pm
Oh it's this small website that about half the population of the planet uses to publish their personal info, thoughts, location and pics of themselves and friends. Just a passing fad I suspect  PS: Oops I forgot to add Bank  |
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 fartnessDonald Trump 2016
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I don't know much about EXIF data and how it can be extracted or deleted from pictures. Any good reading or brief explanation?
If I take a picture and it's 1600x1200 resolution and has the EXIF data, but I use a program to size it down to 800x600, will that strip the EXIF data?
My phone doesn't have a data plan (Blackberry Bold 9000 from ATT), so if I take a picture, how does it add this data? |
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With the on-board GPS and/or the cell towers. |
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Any photo you post up on Facebook, the EXIF data will be stripped entirely.
If you want to strip the EXIF from a photo, sometimes making a small edit will do just that. ACDSee has that option I believe. |
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 Dude111An Awesome Dude
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Ya and its sad....... If all these teenagers didnt work in these places now,IT WOULDNT BE SO BAD......
Stupid idiot........ |
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Re: More fast food employee stupidity Reminded me that ....Youtube just introduced a blur tool for faces to protect identities. » www.ibtimes.com/articles ··· deos.htm |
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said by LondonOntGuy:Any photo you post up on Facebook, the EXIF data will be stripped entirely.
If you want to strip the EXIF from a photo, sometimes making a small edit will do just that. ACDSee has that option I believe.
Does Facebook still keep the original copies though? :> |
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said by fartness:If I take a picture and it's 1600x1200 resolution and has the EXIF data, but I use a program to size it down to 800x600, will that strip the EXIF data? It depends on the program. To my mind, a sensible default is to transfer the still-relevant EXIF data: after all, you told the program to "resize", not "throw away non-image info". But the same sensible program ought to allow you to explicitly discard metadata. On the other hand, Windows Explorer (in Win7 at least) allows you to throw away EXIF data. Right-click, property sheet, details, 'discard personal details'. I haven't tested this out with GPS, for lack of a suitable test image. |
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Sometimes you don't need GPS information to locate a scene... |
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said by StuartMW:Many Smartphones (iPhone, Android units etc) embed GPS data in images (EXIF fields). Google "EXIF viewer" and take a look at images taken by your Smartphone and/or camera. If they contain Latitude/Longitude fields then the images are being geotagged.
Thanks for the info, it's appreciated! But can I trust my carries, say Verizon or AT&T to tell me before I buy a Smartphone if the camera are geotagged? Or maybe there is a constantly current website that tells that? |
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fartnessDonald Trump 2016
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How do I find the coordinates of a pic? |
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Not sure on the phone cam - but on computer should be in properties somewhere. If I right click on photo and check advanced - it should be in details.
I can't check mine. I use a Nexus S and have turned off GPS in photos.
Did the same with a Galaxy S 4G.
Couldn't find in Photoshop, either.
I also might not have some exif as phones are rooted, and first thing that went is Maps, Latitude, etc.
I also have a program called Image Shrink (paid). It gives you the option of not saving exif when resizing pic. |
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Re: said by Dude111:Ya and its sad....... If all these teenagers didnt work in these places now,IT WOULDNT BE SO BAD......
So TELL ME, my friend, WHERE THESE TEENAGERS should work? |
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said by vaxvms:So TELL ME, my friend, WHERE THESE TEENAGERS should work?
Facebook. |
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Re: More fast food employee stupidityTo be honest, I don't think they did it out of offense. I'm fairly sure almost every photo is checked for EXIF there just to screw with people doing dumb stuff.
Also BK might be getting hit in general because of this statement;
"“Burger King Corp. has recently been made aware of a photo posted on a social networking site that allegedly shows a BURGER KING® restaurant employee violating the company’s stringent food handling procedures." |
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Denial-of-service attack: take a picture of somebody doing gross stuff to food, then edit the EXIF data to point to some different Burger King in a distant city. |
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2012-Jul-20 12:39 pm
said by Steve:Denial-of-service attack: take a picture of somebody doing gross stuff to food, then edit the EXIF data to point to some different Burger King in a distant city.
Now that's thinking like the enemy - a good strategy for defining security For readers who haven't seen them(I bet Steve has), there's KYE, a series of papers by Lance Spitzner's honeynet project |
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