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somms

join:2003-07-28
Salt Lake City, UT

Verizon and Comcast e-penis size fail!

Meanwhile, while Verizion and Comcast are trying to one-up each other's E-penis size...Google rolls out their FTTH symmetrical 1Gbps/1Gbps service in KC making them both look like chumps!


ITALIAN926

join:2003-08-16
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The chump is Google, who will be covering a virtual SPEC on the United States map.

Also, nobody will be using that 1000Mbps. Id like to use an analogy of buying a Corvette that does 200 mph, when only a select areas have an 85Mph limit. Wasted speed. At least a Corvette LOOKS GOOD.

Im sure your living room looks wonderful with that 1Gbps modem. lol

StLCardsFan

join:2011-06-06
Lafayette, LA
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·LUS Fiber

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there is no modem. If the google network in KC works well you can bet your ass they will expand.

What people like you don't seem to know is that Google has been quietly laying down their own long-haul fiber backbone... making any town/city within 20 miles of that backbone doable ...

You can pretty much look at the US MAP ..follow I70 and you will find cities that Google will have the ability to service in the future... So St. Louis, Kansas City, Denver ..on and on and on.. Unless you think Google as an ISP is actually buying backhaul from some poor debt strapped company like ATT? Not that ATT is poor, but compared to Google they are like bob's tire and haircare salon.

and rumor has it that they have networking on I55 as well.

Lastly, Google has more cash than all the telcos combined. They can do what they want forever starting today and never run out of money. Their own networks purpose isn't to sell service at a profit ... its to speed your ability to use Google services... so you can bet your ass Google has something "big" at the end of the tunnel which will require 1gbit of bandwidth.


tshirt
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join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
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said by StLCardsFan:

there is no modem. If the google network in KC works well you can bet your ass they will expand.

What people like you don't seem to know is that Google has been quietly laying down their own long-haul fiber backbone... making any town/city within 20 miles of that backbone doable ...

buying backhaul from some poor debt strapped company like ATT? Not that ATT is poor, but compared to Google they are like bob's tire and haircare salon.

Guess again, wishful thinker
AT&T Mkt cap=$208B
Goog Mkt cap=$193B

At&t is very exerienced in the telcom world, and can raise money for a comminications project if it makes financial sense.

The Google project has so far had plenty of mis-steps and slowdowns because what the lack is the experince to plan and get this done on time and (my guess) under budget.

AND that what you keep forgeting/ignoring, googles own words that this is and experiment to learn about the building process AND to see what changes it brings to the selected city's (in this case the kansas cities)
So they are close to step one and then the years of observation begin to see what happens, and is it positive both for the community and profitable for google.
So don't start holding your breath in St.Louis or Lafaytte (ok you can start now)
BTW even G doesn't have that much money.

ISurfTooMuch

join:2007-04-23
Tuscaloosa, AL
reply to ITALIAN926
said by ITALIAN926:

The chump is Google, who will be covering a virtual SPEC on the United States map.

Also, nobody will be using that 1000Mbps. Id like to use an analogy of buying a Corvette that does 200 mph, when only a select areas have an 85Mph limit. Wasted speed. At least a Corvette LOOKS GOOD.

Im sure your living room looks wonderful with that 1Gbps modem. lol

I don't think so. Google didn't spend all that money in KC for nothing. I don't know exactly what they're up to, but they have something in mind. For all we know, they may plan on building out FTTH networks in various places and either running them themselves or leasing access to anyone who wants to start an ISP. Remember, Google wants people to visit their sites and use their services, and they don't seem too interested in paying the "Ed Whitacre tax" to get those visitors. If they want to, they can simply use the threat of dropping one or more of these networks into a telco or cableco's service area in order to prevent the incumbent from trying to make them pay for priority access to customers. And, if they really wanted to play hardball, they could sell access at cost. Would you want to try to compete against something like that? I wouldn't.

Only time will tell.


N3OGH
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join:2003-11-11
Philly burbs
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reply to StLCardsFan
I'll take a set of 245/45-17's and a crew cut.

Number 2 on the trim guard all way around, & above the ear, please....
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Petty people are disproportionally corrupted by petty power


backhaul

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reply to StLCardsFan
A friend that works with Level 3 to me that several years ago Google paid Level 3 to build them a lot of fiber back haul that is owned by Google. Normally Level 3 would build it and least the capacity but I think at the time Level 3 needed the money or couldn't refuse the deal so they built this backbone that runs past KC. This is probably one of the main reasons they picked this area. Google can plug it into their own backbone and tie into google services very nice.


StLCardsFan

join:2011-06-06
Lafayette, LA
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reply to tshirt
said by tshirt:

Guess again, wishful thinker
AT&T Mkt cap=$208B
Goog Mkt cap=$193B

At&t is very exerienced in the telcom world, and can raise money for a comminications project if it makes financial sense.

The Google project has so far had plenty of mis-steps and slowdowns because what the lack is the experince to plan and get this done on time and (my guess) under budget.

AND that what you keep forgeting/ignoring, googles own words that this is and experiment to learn about the building process AND to see what changes it brings to the selected city's (in this case the kansas cities)
So they are close to step one and then the years of observation begin to see what happens, and is it positive both for the community and profitable for google.
So don't start holding your breath in St.Louis or Lafaytte (ok you can start now)
BTW even G doesn't have that much money.

I know where they have their own fiber...and market cap has nothing to do with cash on hand. google has zero debt (really 3 billion but with 45billion in cash makes it a ..ZERO) comparing that to ATT which has oh .... 59billion in debt (choke) and 2billion in cash ... and comparing market cap of att v. google is like saying the 100billion in cash apple had and paid to share holders is insignificant. so really ...get your points correct.

googles own network is a hedge against the likes of ATT and Verizon trying to prioritize network delivery or putting a premium on google services. The fact is ..if Google wants to do something ..they have the cash on hand to do it. They don't need investors. They don't even need to justify what they are doing. Google pays cash ..and cash is king.

As far as mis-steps ...of course they will have some. All the telcos on earth ... and even cable cos put every possible obstacle imaginable in place to try and sabotage the "experiment."

There is no wishful thinking. They have fiber on I70 and there is no city anywhere that would refuse Google access. In order for Google to innovate their ideals they need massive amounts of bandwidth ...which would cost them massive amounts of money if left to relying on the current backhaul providers... hmmm money now being spent on laying fiber "that never was going to really happen."

The biggest thing is this ...all the current ISP's rely on profiting from providing the bandwidth ... and cannot possibly compete with googles model of providing the bandwidth for the end service as a profit. Whats happening is simple ..they have taken Apples highly lucrative business model to the next level ... no arbitrary caps or speed restrictions on any piece of equipment google might come up with on its own network. There is no other ISP or brand for that matter that could compete with that.

So yeah ..those odd HUD networked glasses, chromebooks, ect ... why else would they be making stuff like that?

I really don't think you can possibly grasp the amount of money Google has and the unique position it puts them in.

My gut tells me Google will end up buying level3 or cogent and be done with it and in a decade or less will be its own tier1 provider and ISP.