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PX Eliezer70
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Re: [Serious] Mass shooting at Batman

said by dirtyjeffer:

....the problem is, as is often the case, us on the "right" often want sensible options....

Agreed.

The problem is, what is [right-wing] in Canada would be considered [moderate] in the US these days.

US right-wingers are kind of in a universe by themselves.

Our country must increasingly scare the shit out of you Canadians.

If you folks have not read the book or see the movie, you should:

The Handmaid's Tale is a dystopian novel, a work of science fiction or speculative fiction, written by Canadian author Margaret Atwood and published in 1985.

It is set in the near future in the Republic of Gilead, a totalitarian theocracy formed within the borders of what was formerly the United States of America. It was founded by a racist, homophobic, male chauvinist, nativist, theocratic-organized military coup as an ideologically driven response to the pervasive ecological, physical and social degradation of the country.

Beginning with a staged terrorist attack (blamed on Islamic extremist terrorists) that kills the President and most of Congress, a movement calling itself the "Sons of Jacob" launched a revolution and suspend the United States Constitution under the pretext of restoring order.

----Adapted from Wikipedia

They declare war on Canada, too, BTW.


dirtyjeffer
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said by voidspace:

pretty damn sad if you think guns are toys...

to be fair, many of the people who have them (illegally) treat them as such...i understand his point...and i don't pretend to think that everyone walking around armed is necessarily good either.


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I'm totally against guns and think the U.S. should have a law such as Australia does.

But my main problem with this story as was pointed out in another forum is ''how does someone buy 6000 rounds of ammo on the internet''? and not raise any red flags ,especially in the states

Where was Homeland Security in all this,too busy taking down sports sites?

Ridiculous,if this was a Canadian he'd have the RCMP or CSIS on his doorstep that day.
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This just in, movie goers will now be subjected to a full body cavity search before entering the movie theatre.

In order to ensure a happy and safe movie going experience, all patrons will be required to undergo a full body cavity search before entering the theatre. We have ordered full body scanners, in order to speed up the process. We expect them to be delivered in the next 6 months. The cost of these security precautions, as well as reduced screening times due to these checks, patrons will be charged minor security fee on their tickets. Surveys have shown us that the public doesn't mind such charges in order to ensure safe and happy movie going experience.

Persons whose faith don't allow them to discover in public will be shown to a private room, where they subject to the same screening precautions as the regular public.


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Ah, now the Theaters have a legit reason to shake down all their BYO food customers!


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said by Warez_Zealot:

Ah, now the Theaters have a legit reason to shake down all their BYO food customers!

They did it here in Niagara without a legitimate reason at a Cineplex Odeon theatre. I upset my date as I wouldn't let them search her purse for ideological reasons but she insisted they be allowed. I don't know if they still do this, it was a few years back.

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said by Robert:

Up until Thursday night, this guy was a lawful gun owner.

Up until Thursday night he was a lawful penis holder too. I guess all penis holders are just criminals in the making. Quick, get in line to get your penis cut off!

said by peterboro:

Cars have a function in society where as hand guns are just little toys for guys who haven't grown up yet.

Guns have just as much use in society as dirt bikes, pools, bungee cords, alcohol, bicycles, etc.

Even when they're misused that also cause a lot fewer deaths annually than any of these other socially unnecessary items.

Just because you're afraid that someone's got a bigger "gun" than yours doesn't give you the right to take the other guy's "gun" away.

said by Net Citizen:

Amazingly enough, the entire gist of my post flew right over your head.

Amazingly enough you failed to answer the question you asked. The fact of the matter is that states where concealed carry is allowed have FEWER incidents on road rage that lead to assault or attempted murder than states where concealed carry is illegal.

If your premise was correct police officers would get in roadside shootouts every day because every time they stop someone there's someone pissed off and there's at least one gun present. If guns made people more violent and more irrational there'd be shootouts every day. Yet reality is the exact opposite, because the presence (even if just supposed) of guns actually keep people civil.

said by PX Eliezer70:

But having people have handguns and long guns is a bit different from semiautomatic assault rifles.

"semiautomatic assault rifles" is an oxymoron. Assault rifles are fully automatic by definition.

Also due to the rules of physics the faster you fire a firearm the less precise you can be with it and the lower the chance you can actually hit a target.

said by Robert:

First off, how do you know with certainty?

Considering bomb making IS completely banned and illegal and that he didn't seem to have any issues assembling IEDs it's not much of a stretch to realize finding firearms, whether legally or not, wouldn't have been much of an issue either.

said by Robert:

When was the last time one guy with one knife or bat killed 12 people and injured 58 in the span of minutes?

The 9/11 hijackers killed 3,000 people using box cutters.

Timothy McVeigh killed 168 people using nothing more than nitromethane (a racing fuel) and fertilizer, neither of which are banned to this day.

said by peterboro:

You already know the answer as I posted several threads ago that I have fired probably more different handguns than most, if not all, posting in here.

Residing in the US gave me access to firearms that are restricted here and yes having done so they are fun little toys but have no place in society other than cops and military use.

If you're scared of guns or of what you would do with guns then by all means you should stay from them. That gives you no right to decide for me though.

said by ZZZZZZZ:

But my main problem with this story as was pointed out in another forum is ''how does someone buy 6000 rounds of ammo on the internet''? and not raise any red flags ,especially in the states

Where was Homeland Security in all this,too busy taking down sports sites?

Ridiculous,if this was a Canadian he'd have the RCMP or CSIS on his doorstep that day.

Hahaha, you're so clueless. I've purchased more than 10,000 rounds in one purchase, over the internet, many times before. I still have to get a visit from the RCMP or CSIS.

Do you want to know WHY I bought over 10,000 rounds in one shot? Because it was a good deal!


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said by PX Eliezer70:

US right-wingers are kind of in a universe by themselves.

Just as US left-wingers are in a universe by themselves

In a 2011 Gallup poll, 27% Americans identified as Republicans while 27% identified as Democrats. Independent voters take up the majority.

said by PX Eliezer70:

Our country must increasingly scare the shit out of you Canadians.

Not so much those of us that live near the border and make regular trips throughout the Americas, and see that the United States isn't as certain loud Canadians want us to believe it is. Mind you, people in Fort Erie close to Buffalo are off to a bad start...

said by PX Eliezer70:

If you folks have not read the book or see the movie, you should:

Margaret Atwood

They declare war on Canada, too, BTW.

Margaret Atwood, a vocal Canadian leftist, wrote many anti-American novels. She exaggerates and focuses on certain aspects of American ideals to portray her version of Canadian left wing values to be the best way that people should be.


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quote:
I've purchased more than 10,000 rounds in one purchase, over the internet, many times before. I still have to get a visit from the RCMP or CSIS.
Well that answers any Qs I had about you.
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said by ZZZZZZZ:

quote:
I've purchased more than 10,000 rounds in one purchase, over the internet, many times before. I still have to get a visit from the RCMP or CSIS.
Well that answers any Qs I had about you.

same here..it shows to me that he is very wise when spending his money on things he wants.... to paint it any other way is asinine
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Warez_Zealot

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reply to IamGimli
said by IamGimli:

Hahaha, you're so clueless. I've purchased more than 10,000 rounds in one purchase, over the internet, many times before. I still have to get a visit from the RCMP or CSIS.

Do you want to know WHY I bought over 10,000 rounds in one shot? Because it was a good deal!

I'm just making sure, but you have *yet* to receive a visit from the RCMP/CSIS? Or you must get a visit/approval from them first? (buying in bulk like that)
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said by jaberi:

how does this guy have enough money coming in to cover rent, utilities, car, gas and 6000 rounds of ammo, two glock pistols, and an AR-15???
did he work as well as study?

Was state granted into the residence program, one of 6 grants. So his living was covered, car is an expense but a Hyundai is not a huge expense.

Worked part time as a Lab Tech.

.221 FMJ is about 20 cents each in standard box, so $1000.00 if he bulk ordered
Glocks are about $500 each, the AR is about $850.00

said by ZZZZZZZ:

I'm totally against guns and think the U.S. should have a law such as Australia does.

But my main problem with this story as was pointed out in another forum is ''how does someone buy 6000 rounds of ammo on the internet''? and not raise any red flags ,especially in the states

Where was Homeland Security in all this,too busy taking down sports sites?

Ridiculous,if this was a Canadian he'd have the RCMP or CSIS on his doorstep that day.

6000 rounds seems like a big number, but for an active range shooter thats maybe a month or two. Remember that you need a license to purchase ammunition so the background checking/instruction is already considered by the seller.

said by dirtyjeffer:

said by Robert:

Up until Thursday night, this guy was a lawful gun owner.

yet, for some reason, his mother wasn't surprised at all...there is more to this story than we currently know.

»www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/colorado-s···95421687

That is creepy, but a Mother just knows.
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Net Citizen

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reply to IamGimli
said by IamGimli:

said by Net Citizen:

Amazingly enough, the entire gist of my post flew right over your head.

Amazingly enough you failed to answer the question you asked. The fact of the matter is that states where concealed carry is allowed have FEWER incidents on road rage that lead to assault or attempted murder than states where concealed carry is illegal.

If your premise was correct police officers would get in roadside shootouts every day because every time they stop someone there's someone pissed off and there's at least one gun present. If guns made people more violent and more irrational there'd be shootouts every day. Yet reality is the exact opposite, because the presence (even if just supposed) of guns actually keep people civil.

You're not comprehending.

I did not say that guns "made people more violent". Violent breakouts occur irrespective of whether guns are present.

Rather, I'm stating that ease of access to firearms can transform heated altercations into something that may conclude with someone's death.

Furthermore, the number of deaths resulting from just the misuse of guns let alone deliberate attempts to take someone's life outweigh whatever supposed "balance" is achieve by having everyone own a firearm. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to assume that regular urban citizens not carrying weapons at all would actually produce the best outcome.

However, I'm beginning to wonder if you're just trolling given that you're a hardcore gun advocate who brags about ordering over 10k of ammunition in a thread linked to a story where 14 people lost their lives and 58 more injured.

That, more than anything, I find absolutely disgusting, insensitive and tasteless, to say the least.

IamGimli

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said by Warez_Zealot:

I'm just making sure, but you have *yet* to receive a visit from the RCMP/CSIS? Or you must get a visit/approval from them first? (buying in bulk like that)

The RCMP and CSIS couldn't care less who buys ammunition or in what quantity, as long as they hold a firearm license. Bulk buying is alive and well in the firearms community, especially on military surplus (ZOMG military!!!).

said by Net Citizen:

You're not comprehending.

I'm comprehending just fine. I'm saying you're full of shit because the actual statistical data shows the exact opposite of what you claim.

Again, if you can show us a study or stats to prove your point, do so.

You may want to tell your rocket scientist to stop assuming shit he has no clue about. It'd be nice of you to do the same.

Oh and I didn't brag about anything. I corrected a lie propagated by some other gun grabber like you who, like you, only has lies to justify his hoplophobia.


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quote:
said by dirtyjeffer:
said by Robert:Up until Thursday night, this guy was a lawful gun owner.

yet, for some reason, his mother wasn't surprised at all...there is more to this story than we currently know.

»www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/colorado-s···95421687

That is creepy, but a Mother just knows.

Is that admitting that your a failure as a parent? I mean, when one hears some horrible news as a mass shooting and the first thing that comes to mind is "I have a feeling my son is the shooter" what the heck does that say about the person that raised him? And if he was a threat to society as mom figured, why didn't she do something about it like notify the right people or try to minimize his issues?

Good job mom and thanks for sticking your head in the sand!


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said by Net Citizen:

Rather, I'm stating that ease of access to firearms can transform heated altercations into something that may conclude with someone's death.

And I countered with personal experiences where the consideration that the situation could escalate into something more serious dissuades people from engaging in heated altercations.


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said by urbanriot:

And I countered with personal experiences where the consideration that the situation could escalate into something more serious dissuades people from engaging in heated altercations.

agreed...i work with several people who have their PAL license (and work at the range i am visiting in a couple of weeks)...none of them are "gun nuts" and wild west lunatics who would shoot up the place if someone didn't turn their blinker on in front of them.
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said by vue666:

On the news it was reported some nut job was shooting at cars in northern Ontario...

Here's a link to this news story....

»www.ctvnews.ca/canada/2-men-arre···1.888143

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said by Kitlope:

Is that admitting that your a failure as a parent? I mean, when one hears some horrible news as a mass shooting and the first thing that comes to mind is "I have a feeling my son is the shooter" what the heck does that say about the person that raised him?

No---ABC News contact her and informed her that her son was allegedly involved.

It was NOT that she just guessed randomly.

said by Kitlope:

And if he was a threat to society as mom figured, why didn't she do something about it like notify the right people or try to minimize his issues?

Good job mom and thanks for sticking your head in the sand!



Unless/until you've been there this is easier said than done, especially when the "child" is now legally an adult.

Even aside from that, in the absence of specific identifiable threats, there is little if anything that can legally be done.

------------------------------------------

A very DIFFERENT example occurred a few years ago here in New Jersey. (1995, actually.)

A teenager abducted a woman from a mall because he wanted her new Toyota Camry.

He killed her---after she begged for her life for an hour, and she even tape-recorded it---and then he brought the car home.

The teenager's MOTHER saw that he had A FRICKING NEW TOYOTA CAMRY and did not ask her son a SINGLE WORD about WTF he got it.

Now THAT is a bad mother....there is no way she could have thought it's ok for her 17 year old kid to bring home a Camry.

....as to the CURRENT case, we just don't know enough right now.

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quote:
I'm comprehending just fine. I'm saying you're full of shit because the actual statistical data shows the exact opposite of what you claim.

Again, if you can show us a study or stats to prove your point, do so.

You may want to tell your rocket scientist to stop assuming shit he has no clue about. It'd be nice of you to do the same.

Oh and I didn't brag about anything. I corrected a lie propagated by some other gun grabber like you who, like you, only has lies to justify his hoplophobia.

So you are trolling - which explains why you repeatedly indulge in strawman masturbation on these forums.

As for statistical data, »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co···ath_rate shows something interesting. Note that the top 10 with the highest rates have a combination of weak or non-existant gun control whilst firearm proliferation is generally high.

But by all means, don't let the facts dissuade you from experiencing this first-hand as a Canadian citizen who has only known the relative safety found north of the border.

Of all the places to recommend where you can relocate and carry out your study of gun control (which more than just a few here would only be too happy to encourage you to embark on), I highly suggest Chicago, east Los Angeles and Detroit - where everyone carries their own piece.

Let us know how that works out for you.


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Aurora shooting suspect was rejected from gun club...

»www.ctvnews.ca/world/aurora-shoo···1.888711

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said by Net Citizen:

So you are trolling - which explains why you repeatedly indulge in strawman masturbation on these forums.

Yet you're the one who can't back up his claims.

said by Net Citizen:

As for statistical data, »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co···ath_rate shows something interesting. Note that the top 10 with the highest rates have a combination of weak or non-existant gun control whilst firearm proliferation is generally high.

Well, let's have a look at your top ten:
South Africa, Columbia, Jamaica, Honduras, Guatemala, Brazil, Estonia, Panama and Mexico all have firearm legislation that are very close to Canadian legislation. They all prohibit the civilian possession of automatic firearms, they all allow possession of semi-automatic firearms and handguns only for licensed individuals and most of them require registration and tracking of firearms. That's reality, not your truthiness.

As you go down the list you'll see that the REAL numbers show that as the rate of civilian firearm ownership rises, the rate of firearm-related death DROPS. Again that's reality, not your lies.

What these countries DO have is a problem with CRIMINALS, not with lawful gun owners.

Firearm ownership rate stats and regulations information taken from: »www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/

Country         Firearm ownership rate    Gun-related death rate
                    (per 100 person)             (per 100,000 person)
South Africa              12.7                                74.57
Columbia                   5.9                                51.77
El Salvador                5.8                                50.36
Jamaica                    8.1                                47.44
Honduras                   6.2                                46.70
Swaziland                  6.4                                37.16
Brazil                     8.0                                14.15
Estonia                    9.2                                12.74
Panama                    21.7                                12.92
Mexico                    15.0                                12.07
 
United States             88.8                                10.27
Canada                    23.8                                 4.78
 

said by Net Citizen:

But by all means, don't let the facts dissuade you from experiencing this first-hand as a Canadian citizen who has only known the relative safety found north of the border.

You mean the "facts" that you pulled out of your ass and have nothing to do with reality?

said by Net Citizen:

Of all the places to recommend where you can relocate and carry out your study of gun control (which more than just a few here would only be too happy to encourage you to embark on), I highly suggest Chicago, east Los Angeles and Detroit - where everyone carries their own piece.

Interesting you should mention these cities as Chicago and Detroit have all-out handgun bans in place and Los Angeles is located in the US state with the most restrictive gun laws yet they all have very high rates of firearm-related violence. Coincidence? I think not.

said by Net Citizen:

Let us know how that works out for you.

How about you move to those places, since they seem to have already implemented your utopic lie of a plan?

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said by urbanriot:

said by Net Citizen:

Rather, I'm stating that ease of access to firearms can transform heated altercations into something that may conclude with someone's death.

And I countered with personal experiences where the consideration that the situation could escalate into something more serious dissuades people from engaging in heated altercations.

Fear of mutually assured destruction sounds like an ideal deterrent were it not for the fact that the reactions it draws aren't really consistent across the board.

The optimum scenario would suggest that participants in a heated incident are in the right frame of mind to consider the consequences of utilizing guns. Unfortunately, not everyone is always in the right frame of mind.

Rage is largely defined by a temporary onset of insanity; not a good mix when factoring in an accessible firearm. When just the squeeze of a trigger is enough to give someone the power of life and death, it only takes a fleeting second for an irrational mind to do just that. That's a significant difference when compared to a knife, a baseball bat or a fist being utilized as a weapon.

One could bring a baseball bat and knock someone out with it but to finish off a person with such a crude instrument requires a bit of forethought. Most individuals by then come to their senses and realize they've already made their point and to escalate it any further beyond assault would unleash the kind of backlash no one in their right mind would want. When a firearm is used in the heat of passion, it is already too little too late by the time the shooter realizes what they've done.

There have been a few cases where an argument took place and ended with one person walking away - only to have him return from his car with a loaded revolver to "conclude" session. What prompted this altercation in the first place? It's usually over something as silly as one guy taking another's parking space.

Net Citizen

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said by IamGimli:

Yet you're the one who can't back up his claims.

Speak for yourself.

Well, let's have a look at your top ten:
South Africa, Columbia, Jamaica, Honduras, Guatemala, Brazil, Estonia, Panama and Mexico all have firearm legislation that are very close to Canadian legislation. They all prohibit the civilian possession of automatic firearms, they all allow possession of semi-automatic firearms and handguns only for licensed individuals and most of them require registration and tracking of firearms. That's reality, not your truthiness.

Going by the citied gunpolicy.org site, the above regions held similar regulations to Canada's up until 1976. Automatic weapons and most definitely assault rifles are prohibited in Canada with very few exceptions.

The Candian and American sample is especially telling with ownership rates in the US being about four times the amount while its death rate is twice that of Canada's. That appears to run contrary to your premise.

So the reality appears to be that the aforementioned countries lack the same comprehensive steps and enforcement enacted by the Canadian government with severe penalties for offenders to match. Gun laws are only as effective as the willingness by the government to enforce them. These are all paper tigers.

Interesting you should mention these cities as Chicago and Detroit have all-out handgun bans in place and Los Angeles is located in the US state with the most restrictive gun laws yet they all have very high rates of firearm-related violence. Coincidence? I think not.

Detroit's gun laws are a lengthy process but they are not strict provided that you successfully pass a background check. Concealed carry requires a firearms class.

Los Angeles allows concealed carry permits state wide. Automatic and assault rifles with magazine capacities no more than 10 rounds are allowed. In fact this is the irony that's pervasive in most US states where hand guns have more restrictions than assault weapons.

Chicago's handgun ban was doomed from the start. They recently revised its ban on handguns 2010, even going so far as to allow criminals to obtain them after a five year period: »www.csmonitor.com/USA/Society/20···wnership

Most of the restrictions in various states tend to be classified under calibre size. Getting around this is fairly easy, simply sell a modified calibre gun that is slightly smaller while retaining the a chamber that holds the same amount of ammunition. It's a joke - which is why gun deaths remain relatively high.

Just as with the South American regions, US states seem to have gun laws that may look good on paper but in fact are riddled with loopholes courtesy of the NRA lobbyists.

How about you move to those places, since they seem to have already implemented your utopic lie of a plan?

You seem rather butthurt over my supposed desire to take away your gun(s).

Once upon a time it was necessary for settlers to carry a firearm during the American expansion in the west where hostile bands of natives, rogue citizens and bandits were clear and present dangers. The Federal government had yet to fully establish proper zones of control which left local militias and town officials to maintain order.

We no longer live in the Deadwood era. In an urban environment with a competent police force, it's no longer necessary to carry a firearm; for any reason.

If you live in a rural district and depend on a rifle for your livelihood, that's a completely different matter. Many families who live off the land and have the necessary experience, knowledge and proper respect for their weapons often view city dwellers who are not compelled to observe the same standard as the very people who shouldn't be owning guns in the first place.

This doesn't necessarily mean I believe those who have a fascination with firearms shouldn't be accommodated however. Firing ranges and gun fairs are where you should be going if you want to squeeze off a few rounds. My opinion only differs in the contemporary view is that whatever guns you own should remain in at these facilities under lock and key with those most qualified to care for them under 24/7 security. The firearms themselves never leave the firing range unless you're transporting the weapon to another facility or are moving out of province.

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said by IamGimli:

Guns have just as much use in society as dirt bikes, pools, bungee cords, alcohol, bicycles, etc.

Not get out much I see or just holed up in the range like a big man firing your little toys? Last time I checked some of these have practical applications that over a billion people use daily where as your little toy handguns have none other than to kill people.

said by IamGimli:

If you're scared of guns or of what you would do with guns then by all means you should stay from them. That gives you no right to decide for me though.

No, I'm scared of you and everyone else who may have a gun going loco or having it stolen like happened here in Peterborough and getting into the hands of criminals. But I guess you figure your right to play with your little toys supersedes our rights to not be shot by one.

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said by Net Citizen:

Going by the citied gunpolicy.org site, the above regions held similar regulations to Canada's up until 1976. Automatic weapons and most definitely assault rifles are prohibited in Canada with very few exceptions.

WTF are you talking about 1976 for? Those countries I listed have exactly the same restrictions as Canada for automatic and semi-automatic firearms.

said by Net Citizen:

The Candian and American sample is especially telling with ownership rates in the US being about four times the amount while its death rate is twice that of Canada's. That appears to run contrary to your premise.

Yes, that's called a statistical anomaly and indicates other factors at play in that specific instance. It also demonstrate that using that one example as proof that more guns = more violence is a logical fallacy, especially considering that the statistical rule carries on within the US.

said by Net Citizen:

So the reality appears to be that the aforementioned countries lack the same comprehensive steps and enforcement enacted by the Canadian government with severe penalties for offenders to match. Gun laws are only as effective as the willingness by the government to enforce them. These are all paper tigers.

Whatever you think "appears" has been proven to be inconsistent with reality at best, a bold face lie at worst. Since you can't back up your gut feeling with actual data your argument is null and void.

said by Net Citizen:

Detroit's gun laws are a lengthy process but they are not strict provided that you successfully pass a background check. Concealed carry requires a firearms class.

...and they still have one of the highest violent and gun crime rate in the US. Magnitudes higher than places where concealed carry is not only authorized but promoted.

said by Net Citizen:

Los Angeles allows concealed carry permits state wide.

Los Angeles is a city. It has no legislative powers state-wide.

said by Net Citizen:

Automatic and assault rifles with magazine capacities no more than 10 rounds are allowed. In fact this is the irony that's pervasive in most US states where hand guns have more restrictions than assault weapons.

Yet California is still the US State with the most restrictive and controlled firearm laws, and it still have one of the highest violent and gun crime rate in the country.

said by Net Citizen:

Chicago's handgun ban was doomed from the start.

Just like every other handgun ban. Nice of you to admit it.

said by Net Citizen:

They recently revised its ban on handguns 2010, even going so far as to allow criminals to obtain them after a five year period: »www.csmonitor.com/USA/Society/20···wnership

They "revised" it because the US Supreme Court ruled such bans to be un-constitutional, not because they felt like it. It still doesn't erase decades of a gun ban that resulted in higher violent and gun crime rate than pretty much every other city of similar size in the world.

said by Net Citizen:

Most of the restrictions in various states tend to be classified under calibre size. Getting around this is fairly easy, simply sell a modified calibre gun that is slightly smaller while retaining the a chamber that holds the same amount of ammunition. It's a joke - which is why gun deaths remain relatively high.

The only joke here is you and your knowledge of firearms. To the extent that it would be comical if it wasn't so tragic.

Here's a hint. The chamber of a firearm can only ever contain one cartridge, no matter what caliber it's designed or modified to shoot.

Just another proof that whatever opinion you may have of firearms belongs in a septic tank, not in the public domain.

said by Net Citizen:

Just as with the South American regions, US states seem to have gun laws that may look good on paper but in fact are riddled with loopholes courtesy of the NRA lobbyists.

Yet more un-subtantiated hyperbolic BS.

said by Net Citizen:

You seem rather butthurt over my supposed desire to take away your gun(s).

Yes, I do get frustrated when people who so obviously have no clue about a topic profess to have any authority to decide how those who do have a clue should behave and what laws they should follow.

None of it has anything to do with my butt though, although I do find it interesting that you should associate firearms with butts.

said by Net Citizen:

Once upon a time it was necessary for settlers to carry a firearm during the American expansion in the west where hostile bands of natives, rogue citizens and bandits were clear and present dangers. The Federal government had yet to fully establish proper zones of control which left local militias and town officials to maintain order.

We no longer live in the Deadwood era. In an urban environment with a competent police force, it's no longer necessary to carry a firearm; for any reason.

Oh yeah? How far away are the police when you're victim of a home invasion? Who tells them you need help? How effective were the police in protecting the people in that theatre?

When seconds count, cops are only minutes away.

said by Net Citizen:

If you live in a rural district and depend on a rifle for your livelihood, that's a completely different matter. Many families who live off the land and have the necessary experience, knowledge and proper respect for their weapons often view city dwellers who are not compelled to observe the same standard as the very people who shouldn't be owning guns in the first place.

Since when are "city dwellers" "not compelled to observe the same standards" as rural residents? You really get off on lying to bolster your ignorant beliefs, don't you?

As a matter of fact rural residents have exemptions specifically designed for them in the storage regulations which allows them to have loaded firearms out in the open for predator control.

said by Net Citizen:

This doesn't necessarily mean I believe those who have a fascination with firearms shouldn't be accommodated however.

Why would a firearm owner need to have a "fascination" with firearms to want to own them? Do you have a fascination with cars? Do you have a fascination with knives? Do you have a fascination with toilets?

Just because you're not interested in firearms doesn't mean those who are have to be fascinated with them to be interested in them. You seem to imply that being interested in firearms is some sort of mental deficiency. I would argue that it's hoplophobes like you who are mentally abnormal, just like any other phobic person.

said by Net Citizen:

Firing ranges and gun fairs are where you should be going if you want to squeeze off a few rounds. My opinion only differs in the contemporary view is that whatever guns you own should remain in at these facilities under lock and key with those most qualified to care for them under 24/7 security. The firearms themselves never leave the firing range unless you're transporting the weapon to another facility or are moving out of province.

You mean protected by reliable people like police officers?
»www2.macleans.ca/2011/09/30/hund···ted-for/
»news.sympatico.ctv.ca/local/mb/m···7c27162f

In locations whose main purpose is the commerce of firearms?
»www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatche···213.html
»www.slve.ca/gun-market-news/saan···r-store/
»www.canada.com/calgaryherald/sto···6ea5d3f5

Or do you mean something like a military armoury?
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denis_Lortie

Again, the fact of the matter is that lawful firearm owners and their firearms, wherever they're stored, are not the problem. The criminals that would steal those firearms and use them to commit yet more crimes are the problem.

As long as the hoplophobes focus on firearms, criminals thrive. What would you do to fix a thermite problem, ban wood?
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said by peterboro:

Not get out much I see or just holed up in the range like a big man firing your little toys? Last time I checked some of these have practical applications that over a billion people use daily where as your little toy handguns have none other than to kill people.

My firearms must all be defective then because they've never killed anyone. And most of them have fired many thousand rounds.

None of these things are necessary. They are all a source of entertainment for their owner and, again, they kill many times more people annually than firearms.

said by peterboro:

No, I'm scared of you and everyone else who may have a gun going loco or having it stolen like happened here in Peterborough and getting into the hands of criminals. But I guess you figure your right to play with your little toys supersedes our rights to not be shot by one.

Are you scared of having your car stolen and used in a crime? Are you scared of getting depressed and deciding to steer into an incoming vehicle one day to end it all? Are you scared of your spouse grabbing a knife and ending your misery for you (which happens a lot more often than firearms being involved in domestic assaults, BTW)? Are you scared of police officers "going loco"? Do you think they're magically protected from that? As a matter of fact police officers have a much higher rate of mental illness than other firearm owners due to the nature of their job.

You have an un-healthy phobia of inanimate objects. You may want to have that checked out instead of assuming everybody else around you is crazy.

said by peterboro:

Toys have no practical uses other than to amuse oneself and unless you are law enforcement or military then that's the case.

That definitely rules firearms out as toys then, no matter what your phobic mind tells you.
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