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Re: [Serious] Mass shooting at Batman said by vue666:You are correct Robert... But if you clink on my link the person has a point... It is a form of stereotyping and stigmatizing a certain segment within our community... Not all persons who commit crimes or murder have mental health issues...
Dressing up as The Joker, committing mass murder and then booby trapping your apartment are certainly strong indicators of non-rational thinking.
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Halifax, NS | And because of stereotyping, people with mental health issues are leery to come forward and disclose they have mental health issues...
Not all person with mental health issues commit murder not all murders are committed by mental health patients...
Let's wait and see what unfolds about this shooter before making assumptions. |
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N of 49th | said by vue666:Let's wait and see what unfolds about this shooter before making assumptions. What, like...
said by vue666:he was fully aware of his actions and the consequences (people would die) Indeed, let's ALL do so.
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DKSDamn Kidney StonesPremium,ExMod 2002
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said by vue666:And because of stereotyping, people with mental health issues are leery to come forward and disclose they have mental health issues...
Not all person with mental health issues commit murder not all murders are committed by mental health patients...
Let's wait and see what unfolds about this shooter before making assumptions.
Then I presume you believe that dressing up like a cartoon character, killing a dozen people in a movie theatre and booby trapping your apartment is a sign of a healthy mind.
Right.
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vue666I'm in the prime of my senilityPremium
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Halifax, NS | said by DKS:said by vue666:And because of stereotyping, people with mental health issues are leery to come forward and disclose they have mental health issues...
Not all person with mental health issues commit murder not all murders are committed by mental health patients...
Let's wait and see what unfolds about this shooter before making assumptions.
Then I presume you believe that dressing up like a cartoon character, killing a dozen people in a movie theatre and booby trapping your apartment is a sign of a healthy mind. Right. Sorry DKS but this expert claims mass murderers often are not mentally ill, but seeking revenge....
»vitals.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/07···93940062 |
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DKSDamn Kidney StonesPremium,ExMod 2002
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| And why do people seek revenge? Think about this...
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vue666I'm in the prime of my senilityPremium
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Halifax, NS | Instead of asking me, why not read the link and see what an expert believes... |
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2 edits | I don't like the article. Saying he's a failure in life as a PhD drop out is kinda bizarre. He clearly flipped his lid for whatever reason.
What this guy did can't really be explained and wrapped into a tidy neat box/explanation.  |
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| said by Warez_Zealot:I don't like the article. Saying he's a failure in life as a PhD drop out is kinda bizarre. He clearly flipped his lid for whatever reason.
Not really.
The higher your status, the harder the fall when you fail - especially if you were previously an over-achiever.
Some people spend their lives aimed towards one particular goal and yet when unable to finally achieve it, cannot fathom an existence outside of what they have already invested in.
For those of us on the outside, we're puzzled by why the suspect couldn't have just settled for being incredibly intelligent while holding masters degrees.
In the suspect's mind however, not having that PHD nullifies everything.
It's the same reason some athletes, actors, musicians and extremely wealthy individuals, despite all their accomplishments and holdings, still end up committing suicide in the end.
Of course, we're just guessing and it could be another reason altogether why he did what he did. It could all be over some chick for all we know. |
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1 edit | I guess that's one way of looking at it. If it's true I wish he would have taken some time off to work or travel and come back to finish his PhD. At 24 it's too young to get stuck up on minor bumps and detours.
For what it's worth I think he had a serious mental breakdown (which is very typical around that age *having a mental breakdown *) and I personally doubt he would have done this if the guns weren't so accessible. |
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vue666I'm in the prime of my senilityPremium
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Halifax, NS | Perhaps instead of using guns then he would have used more bombs and explosives... And then there are ways to make home made guns...
»www.bryanandac.com/new_page_10.htm
»www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8dwtEPM···=related |
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said by Warez_Zealot: For what it's worth I think he had a serious mental breakdown (which is very typical around that age *having a mental breakdown *) and I personally doubt he would have done this if the guns weren't so accessible. Tens or even hundreds of thousands of people would be alive or uninjured if guns weren't accessible to anyone but the military or police. |
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St John'S, NL | reply to vue666
said by vue666:Perhaps instead of using guns then he would have used more bombs and explosives... And then there are ways to make home made guns...
(youtube clip)
If someone truly wants to do something (break in to a house, kill someone), they are going to do it. We should always make it harder for them to do it.
Things like alarms, locks, and gun control keep the honest people honest.
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vue666I'm in the prime of my senilityPremium
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Halifax, NS | If people are truly honest they are honest by nature and no need to have the authorities keep them honest...matter of fact your comment sounds a tad paranoid... |
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said by peterboro:said by Warez_Zealot: For what it's worth I think he had a serious mental breakdown (which is very typical around that age *having a mental breakdown *) and I personally doubt he would have done this if the guns weren't so accessible. Tens or even hundreds of thousands of people would be alive or uninjured if guns weren't accessible to anyone but the military or police. I agree but if guns with high capacity clips and personal assault rifles and hand guns were more restricted it would go a long way to preventing this stuff...
Anyhow I was listening to this: »www.google.com/search?hl=en&site···fHSyT_VI
Kinda possibly ties in to this.
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Re: [Serious] Mass shooting at Batman how does this guy have enough money coming in to cover rent, utilities, car, gas and 6000 rounds of ammo, two glock pistols, and an AR-15???
did he work as well as study? |
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said by vue666:If people are truly honest they are honest by nature and no need to have the authorities keep them honest...matter of fact your comment sounds a tad paranoid...
This is a problem with the Western perspective.
We attribute absolute values to individuals and classify them as such. We only see black and white, in other words.
The reality is that humans are not intrinsically good or evil.
Everyone on this planet is capable of depraved cruelty as well as compassion. Upbringing, societal and environmental factors can, but not always, play a part. People change over time as well.
Someone is always asking what kind of person would commit such a heinous crime.
The kind of person that would do this looks like you; looks like me. They are your friends, family and neighbours. In other words, everyone is a potential mass murderer when certain conditions are met.
Fortunately, for most of us, the ability to surpress primal urges is greater than the temptation, even if only out of fear for the consequences that may result.
The suspect in this case obviously felt he had nothing left to lose and thus, was not constrained by the self-imposed restrictions most productive citizens have in place for themselves.
As for the availability of firearms, I'm a firm believer that strict gun control is a good thing.
As some already pointed out, gun control will not prevent determined killers from acquiring weaponry from the underground economy or even using household tools to do the job if nothing else is available.
However, we are all creatures of habit and convenience. Gun control is effective at curbing the number of deaths that occur as a result of spontaneous violet crime - to say nothing of accidental deaths from the mishandling of firearms.
For an example, two or more individuals are engaged in a heated road rage session. The difference between whether the incident escalates into a fist fight or something considerably more lethal could depend on whether or not one of the participants has a revolver in his glovebox. |
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Re: [Serious] Mass shooting at Batman said by peterboro:Tens or even hundreds of thousands of people would be alive or uninjured if guns weren't accessible to anyone but the military or police. ...and hundreds of thousands more would be alive if police and military didn't have access to them either.
Millions of people would be alive if nobody had access to cars.
That's not even mentioning that banning something doesn't remove access. |
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