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GroovyPhoenx

join:2006-05-22
Gloucester, ON
reply to Snowy

Re: [Scam] Perfectly legal scam

What is there to explain? The letter says "Local records office provide this document etc.." it makes no pretense that they and only they can secure this document it says it outright, "Local offices provide this document" so if I'm willing to shell out 89$ for some schmuck to go get something that I can get with five minutes of researching which office would I get this from, then, you deserve to get taken for 89$ instead of making your own way to the office and pay 5$ for the same thing.


GroovyPhoenx

join:2006-05-22
Gloucester, ON
reply to nwrickert

I don't define this as a scam for the plain simple reason that it makes no claim that only THEY can secure it, that it is "threathening your home" to not have this document etc. It simply offers a service (albeit expensive) to perform for you. I say underhanded because I find overcharging a crooked thing to do, however I also know that if I want something I can get it myself and simplify matters.



Snowy
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reply to GroovyPhoenx

said by GroovyPhoenx:

What is there to explain? The letter says "Local records office provide this document etc.." it makes no pretense that they and only they can secure this document it says it outright, "Local offices provide this document" so if I'm willing to shell out 89$ for some schmuck to go get something that I can get with five minutes of researching which office would I get this from, ...

OK, what's happened is that their letter did what it's designed to do to you.
It confused you.
When the letter refers to "Local records office" it's referring to the name of the company that mailed the letter.
The scammers named their company "Local Records Office" to appear to be a local records office to someone not paying attention.
Still not a scam?

GroovyPhoenx

join:2006-05-22
Gloucester, ON

I still don't view it as an outright "scam" though I guess when reading things I added "The" in front which would completely change the reading, I will agree that the letter is miss-leading somewhat, but it still makes no false claims, it offers a service, and even the disclaimer is in bold/big letters, so while they are skirting the "scam/legal" line, its unfortunately in that line that good crooks will go.



Snowy
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That's cool.
Can we agree that the thread is appropriate for the forum?


GroovyPhoenx

join:2006-05-22
Gloucester, ON

said by Snowy:

That's cool.
Can we agree that the thread is appropriate for the forum?

I never said it was not! I just don't see it as a scam that's all I was saying. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying its all on the up and up and perfectly clear and honest, the message is deceptive but not a lie, its a "read between the lines" type of mail which does confused people.


Snowy
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Whoa!
It's not that serious a debate.
I only asked if the thread were appropriate for the forum to set you up for a kill shot by pointing out the forum title is
"Scam & Phishbusters"
once you agreed the thread is appropriate.


hoyleysox
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join:2003-11-07
Long Beach, CA

Its surprising to read bbr members defend the practices of this national Local Records Office company by posting, "Sure its a waste of money, but its not a scam," like the anonymous posters in the Anthony Morrison thread.



Snowy
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I wouldn't group GroovyPhoenx See Profile with the morrison shills.
GroovyPhoenx See Profile uses one of the legit legit definitions of "scam" while there's nothing legit about the morrison shills.


garys_2k
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join:2004-05-07
Farmington, MI
reply to hoyleysox

There's "legal" scam and "ethical" scam, sometimes there's a difference. I'd put this one in the ethical scam camp but it's likely a good lawyer could convince a judge of its legality.



Snowy
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An ethical scam, hmm.
A litmus test for "what is a scam" would be a disregard for ethics so an "ethical scam" would be a contradiction in terms, IMO.
»en.wiktionary.org/wiki/contradic···in_terms


garys_2k
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Sorry for the confusion, I meant "ethics scam," where you create it to be misleading, on purpose, you mean to confuse people, but yet you skate just on the good side of legality. You can pull on your halo and say "Hey, look, I didn't REALLY lie, it's all there in writing, see?" but it's still going to be misread by people who aren't that observant.



Snowy
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said by garys_2k:

Sorry for the confusion, I meant "ethics scam,"...

That's a good way of looking at it!
It defines a scam for what it is regardless of legal standing.


AVD
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said by Snowy:

said by garys_2k:

Sorry for the confusion, I meant "ethics scam,"...

That's a good way of looking at it!
It defines a scam for what it is [b]regardless of legal standing[/b}.

yes... exactly.
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GroovyPhoenx

join:2006-05-22
Gloucester, ON

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reply to garys_2k

said by garys_2k:

There's "legal" scam and "ethical" scam, sometimes there's a difference. I'd put this one in the ethical scam camp but it's likely a good lawyer could convince a judge of its legality.

Well said, which is why I "argued" that it wasn't a scam by "legal" definition, simply because they are offering a service, using tons of legal wranglings no doubt to remain legal and sound alarmist, though I will admit, I had placed "The" in front of the Local records office, which once more changes the wording from "A local office can provide it" to "We can provide it we are the local office"


Krisnatharok
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You want a scam? How about Apple selling graphics cards "upgrades" at twice the MSRP that are two generations obsolete.

»store.apple.com/us/browse/home/s···ic_cards
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Camelot One
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said by Krisnatharok:

You want a scam? How about Apple selling graphics cards "upgrades" at twice the MSRP that are two generations obsolete.

»store.apple.com/us/browse/home/s···ic_cards

That is not a scam. That is just Apple being Apple.


JustBurnt

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The Infomercial scammer Don Lapre got his start selling a program for people to get any FHA mortgage insurance due others but you had to go to those people do it then pay you for telling them how to do it, doesn't make much sense when you think about it, and didn't last long.

Last I read he is in trouble for the Vitamins he has been pushing.