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Re: [Serious] Mass shooting at Batmansaid by Net Citizen:Easy access to firearms enables even upstanding citizens to make terrible mistakes in the heat of passion - errors in judgment from which there is no going back.
while i understand your point, if he didn't have guns, could he use a bat, or knives?...it's not like criminals only started to exist when guns arrived...they have been around long before guns ever existed. i'm not saying we should have guns for sale at 7-11, but i don't think banning all guns is a logical answer...as IamGimli stated (and i have before as well) there are already laws in place here that would prevent "by law" what happened...handguns and automatic weapons are either restricted or prohibited (depending on what they are)...they are heavily regulated and getting them legally isn't easy (here). |
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said by dirtyjeffer0:i'm not saying we should have guns for sale at 7-11, but i don't think banning all guns is a logical answer...as IamGimli stated (and i have before as well) there are already laws in place here that would prevent "by law" what happened...handguns and automatic weapons are either restricted or prohibited (depending on what they are)
In Colorado, despite their history of Columbine, the fellow was able to legally buy a semiautomatic assault rifle capable of firing 50 to 60 rounds a minute.... I agree, we should NOT ban all guns. It's impractical, and probably undesirable as well as this point in the US. But having people have handguns and long guns is a bit different from semiautomatic assault rifles. People are not allowed to buy surface-to-air missiles. People are not allowed to have anti-tank weapons (bazookas). Why should those be illegal, yet semiautomatic assault rifles be legal? On this issue, the Republicans are whores, and too many Democrats are cowards. |
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i agree with your points...assault rifles are likely "fun to shoot", so allowing them in controlled and regulated environments is likely acceptable (i intend on trying some myself in a couple of weeks), but there has to be a better way to regulate the sale of them...the problem is, as is often the case, us on the "right" often want sensible options, but those on the "left" want to swing things so far the opposite direction, then accuse us of wanting things so far in the "right" direction, it gets ridiculous...i feel that most of us in here on the "right" agree proper regulation is important, and don't feel that everyone should be able to own whatever they want, despite the fact those on the "left" seem to insinuate that. |
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said by dirtyjeffer0: if he didn't have guns, could he use a bat, or knives?...it's not like criminals only started to exist when guns arrived...they have been around long before guns ever existed.
When was the last time one guy with one knife or bat killed 12 people and injured 58 in the span of minutes? |
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said by Robert4:When was the last time one guy with one knife or bat killed 12 people and injured 58 in the span of minutes?
well, it certainly is much harder with a gun, and i understand that...but whether you kill 1, 2 or 12, does it really matter? a quick google search pulled up this guy who bought a knife in a supermarket, then used it as a weapon, stabbing patrons in the foyer, until one patron brandished a firearm (he had a concealed carry permit) and told him to drop the weapon or he would shoot him...the suspect dropped the weapon and the situation was stopped immediately...either way, the situation was over, the only difference is the suspect was either going to be arrested, or was going to get shot (likely killed). » www.abc4.com/content/new ··· 9dQ.cspxthen there was this story, of 2 men, at least one armed with a knife who were trying to gain entry into a single mother's home...little did they know she was armed with a handgun and a 12 gauge shotgun...when they broke the door down to gain entry, she shot one of them (the other took off). » www.dailymail.co.uk/news ··· cer.html |
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said by dirtyjeffer0:....the problem is, as is often the case, us on the "right" often want sensible options....
Agreed. The problem is, what is [right-wing] in Canada would be considered [moderate] in the US these days. US right-wingers are kind of in a universe by themselves. Our country must increasingly scare the shit out of you Canadians. If you folks have not read the book or see the movie, you should: The Handmaid's Tale is a dystopian novel, a work of science fiction or speculative fiction, written by Canadian author Margaret Atwood and published in 1985.
It is set in the near future in the Republic of Gilead, a totalitarian theocracy formed within the borders of what was formerly the United States of America. It was founded by a racist, homophobic, male chauvinist, nativist, theocratic-organized military coup as an ideologically driven response to the pervasive ecological, physical and social degradation of the country.
Beginning with a staged terrorist attack (blamed on Islamic extremist terrorists) that kills the President and most of Congress, a movement calling itself the "Sons of Jacob" launched a revolution and suspend the United States Constitution under the pretext of restoring order. ----Adapted from Wikipedia They declare war on Canada, too, BTW. |
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said by PX Eliezer704:US right-wingers are kind of in a universe by themselves. Just as US left-wingers are in a universe by themselves  In a 2011 Gallup poll, 27% Americans identified as Republicans while 27% identified as Democrats. Independent voters take up the majority. said by PX Eliezer704:Our country must increasingly scare the shit out of you Canadians. Not so much those of us that live near the border and make regular trips throughout the Americas, and see that the United States isn't as certain loud Canadians want us to believe it is. Mind you, people in Fort Erie close to Buffalo are off to a bad start... said by PX Eliezer704:If you folks have not read the book or see the movie, you should: They declare war on Canada, too, BTW. Margaret Atwood, a vocal Canadian leftist, wrote many anti-American novels. She exaggerates and focuses on certain aspects of American ideals to portray her version of Canadian left wing values to be the best way that people should be. |
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