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hello123454
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join:2002-02-02
Wilmington, DE
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I don't get it....

Comcast's 300 Mbps won't equal Verizon's 300 Mbps....

Both companies are going back and forth on numbers when in reality Verizon has much more leverage with how their network is setup....


Chris 313
Come get some
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Houma, LA
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·AT&T U-Verse
·Vonage
·Comcast
·Comcast Digital ..
said by hello123454:

Comcast's 300 Mbps won't equal Verizon's 300 Mbps....

Both companies are going back and forth on numbers when in reality Verizon has much more leverage with how their network is setup....

Oh? You don't think each 300 the companies put out will match? Do you have FiOS with the 300 speed and can test it out and post some screenshots?

etaadmin

join:2002-01-17
Dallas, TX
kudos:1
reply to hello123454
said by hello123454:

Comcast's 300 Mbps won't equal Verizon's 300 Mbps....

Both companies are going back and forth on numbers when in reality Verizon has much more leverage with how their network is setup....

Correct... Comcast's plan is 5 Mbps faster.

iansltx

join:2007-02-19
Austin, TX
kudos:2
I kinda wish Verizon would just bump the provisioning on its tier to 306 Mbps...just to tick off Comcast. Two can play at the one-upmanship game.

flashcore

join:2007-01-23
united state
reply to Chris 313
While I don't have the 300Mbit plan I do have the 150, and there is no way Concast is going to match the 70Mbit upload speed with there existing setup, they also wont be able to get the low pings that FiOS can achieve due to the overhead in docsis networks. Lastly, what good is 300Mbit on Concast when they purposely oversubscribe there backbone links to over half the internet causing 500ms+ pings during peak hours.


* Speedtest's flash program cant handle the upload speeds, its a known bug that they have fixed but the people running the test sites haven't bothered to upgrade yet.


djrobx
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join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA
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said by flashcore:

While I don't have the 300Mbit plan I do have the 150, and there is no way Concast is going to match the 70Mbit upload speed with there existing setup, they also wont be able to get the low pings that FiOS can achieve due to the overhead in docsis networks. Lastly, what good is 300Mbit on Concast when they purposely oversubscribe there backbone links to over half the internet causing 500ms+ pings during peak hours.

Judging from the chart linked to this story

»FCC Report: ISPs Still Struggling to Deliver Advertised Speeds

Comcast is doing a remarkably good job of keeping their performance consistent during "peak" hours. Their line is almost as flat as Verizon's. Verizon over-delivers (I suspect largely due to the "fluff" you get when you order TV) which puts them higher.

I don't think anybody's going to argue that FTTH is the best tech out there. But it's not available to all of us, and it's a good thing that Comcast is at least trying to step up to the plate. Any competition is good competition.
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Rethink Billable.

etaadmin

join:2002-01-17
Dallas, TX
kudos:1
reply to iansltx
said by iansltx:

I kinda wish Verizon would just bump the provisioning on its tier to 306 Mbps...just to tick off Comcast. Two can play at the one-upmanship game.

Just marketing tricks but hey it works for Comcast... if Verizon wanted to make sure no MSO could match their speeds they would offer high uploads like a 300/300 Mbps but they didn't why?

Besides in the near future in markets where Verizon can't offer anything respectable (all of non FiOS markets) they'll be offering the next best thing to fiber... cable's (Comcast, Cox, TWC, BrightHouse) DOCSIS3.x

serge87

join:2009-11-29
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
reply to Chris 313
said by Chris 313:

said by hello123454:

Comcast's 300 Mbps won't equal Verizon's 300 Mbps....

Both companies are going back and forth on numbers when in reality Verizon has much more leverage with how their network is setup....

Oh? You don't think each 300 the companies put out will match? Do you have FiOS with the 300 speed and can test it out and post some screenshots?

I get my full 155mbps at all hours and days of the week, no exceptions. Maybe at 3am you will see the full 305 from Comcast but comparing the latency times, FIOS is untouchable. Don't get me started on bandwidth caps...

rebus9

join:2002-03-26
Tampa Bay
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
·Bright House
reply to hello123454
said by hello123454:

Comcast's 300 Mbps won't equal Verizon's 300 Mbps....

Why not?

Assume both sell 300/65 service. Assume both run at, or acceptably near, their advertised speeds. Other than fiber's latency advantage-- what's the difference to the end user?


PapaMidnight

join:2009-01-13
Baltimore, MD
reply to etaadmin
said by etaadmin:

said by hello123454:

Comcast's 300 Mbps won't equal Verizon's 300 Mbps....

Both companies are going back and forth on numbers when in reality Verizon has much more leverage with how their network is setup....

Correct... Comcast's plan is 5 Mbps faster.

Yes. A whole whopping 5 Mbps for $95 more per month. That's about as competitive as Intel's Pentium 4 Gigahertz war vs AMD if you ask me.


PapaMidnight

join:2009-01-13
Baltimore, MD
reply to iansltx
I don't see a point in bothering when Verizon FiOS consistently tends to deliver faster than advertised speeds.


PapaMidnight

join:2009-01-13
Baltimore, MD
reply to rebus9
That depends completely and entirely on who the end-user is.


jester121
Premium
join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL
reply to serge87
said by serge87:

Maybe at 3am you will see the full 305 from Comcast but comparing the latency times, FIOS is untouchable.

Or maybe Verizon is 5 ms slower....

(This is at 18:20 CDT on my Comcast residential D3 connection)



BiggA

join:2005-11-23
EARTH
reply to flashcore
I've never had congestion issues with Comcast. That being said, while having 50-100mbps is a great luxury, having over 100 is just pointless. Even the few homes that have networking that can take advantage of those sorts of speeds probably can't really use that much.

mister2d

join:2001-12-24
Baltimore, MD
reply to flashcore
said by flashcore:

While I don't have the 300Mbit plan I do have the 150, and there is no way Concast is going to match the 70Mbit upload speed with there existing setup, they also wont be able to get the low pings that FiOS can achieve due to the overhead in docsis networks. Lastly, what good is 300Mbit on Concast when they purposely oversubscribe there backbone links to over half the internet causing 500ms+ pings during peak hours.



* Speedtest's flash program cant handle the upload speeds, its a known bug that they have fixed but the people running the test sites haven't bothered to upgrade yet.

My Comcast pings are just fine! I do see a limitation for upload. The meter bangs up against the 12Mbps limit pretty hard when I do testing.

ShaperProbe is also consistently matching with Speedtest. Don't believe everything you read. Some markets are getting excellent service from Comcast.




DataRiker
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join:2002-05-19
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reply to rebus9
said by rebus9:

said by hello123454:

Comcast's 300 Mbps won't equal Verizon's 300 Mbps....

Why not?

Assume both sell 300/65 service. Assume both run at, or acceptably near, their advertised speeds. Other than fiber's latency advantage-- what's the difference to the end user?



Fiber has a latency advantage?

Other than a small advantage during encoding/decoding, both mediums travel at the same speed.

rebus9

join:2002-03-26
Tampa Bay
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
·Bright House
said by DataRiker:

Fiber has a latency advantage?

Other than a small advantage during encoding/decoding, both mediums travel at the same speed.

Yes, FTTP has a latency advantage over HFC. It's not much, typically less than 10ms. The extra HFC latency is introduced at the headend and local plant during the media conversions that take place. But it exists and is measurable. Once beyond the local plant, both carriers use fiber for core, regional, and longhaul.

But clearly, I downplayed the significance of it in my previous post. I don't think there is a real-world difference to the end user as long as the provider actually delivers the full 300/65.....

.... except perhaps for extreme gamers where a few milliseconds can mean the difference between winning and losing.


DataRiker
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join:2002-05-19
00000
I mentioned the encoding/decoding advantage, but its about ~1ms or 2ms.

Insignificant really.

rebus9

join:2002-03-26
Tampa Bay
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
·Bright House
I have both HFC and FIOS, and the difference is a solid 8-10ms.

This is quite easy to test. I have servers colocated in Tampa, in a facility who has 5 transit carriers-- one of them being Brighthouse. The colo is located in 400 N Tampa St, which is also where one of Brighthouse's downtown POPs is located. To make it even better, the BHN-owned router that terminates the fiber into this facility is (literally) 6 cabinets down the row from our cabinet. My pings across BHN Road Runner to these servers homed on BHN Enterprise Fiber, are 14-16ms.

I'm familiar with the fiber path between our part of the county into Hillsborough county. I can't tell you street by street, but I do know the general path, and which areas of the city it crosses before reaching downtown Tampa. It's reasonably direct, with some obvious twists and turns as would be any metro-regional path.

Next up is FIOS. We have offices connected via FIOS, which are even further away-- on the order of 20+ miles further. Ping times across FIOS, to these other hosts on FIOS, are in the 6-8ms range.

Now, let's forget hosts for a moment and talk routers. Ping times across a Brighthouse Road Runner connection to Brighthouse routers known to be in Tampa are on the order of 12-14ms. Ping times to Verizon routers known also to be in Tampa, are 4-6ms.

No matter how you approach it, across approximately the SAME physical path distance, the HFC network induces approximately 8-10ms of additional latency.


DataRiker
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join:2002-05-19
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There is no possible way that 2 different ISP's used the same route and equipment to a remote location.

The extra latency over copper is due to the encoding used to mitigate line noise and such.

On Fast path DSL you wont lag more than about 1.5ms or so given an equal fiber run.

rebus9

join:2002-03-26
Tampa Bay
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
·Bright House
said by DataRiker:

There is no possible way that 2 different ISP's used the same route and equipment to a remote location.

You clearly didn't read the post. I never said they used the same routes.

What I DID say is the physical paths are of comparable distance.


DataRiker
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join:2002-05-19
00000

3 edits
To compare latency you would have to take the same route on comparable equipment.

The vast majority of the lag you see is certainly in either the Route or an overloaded or old piece of equipment (Router, CMTS, whatever...)


somms

join:2003-07-28
Salt Lake City, UT
reply to mister2d


I have the opposite problem where speedtest site has a tough time registering proper pings from my fiber gateway...


mister2d

join:2001-12-24
Baltimore, MD
said by somms:



I have the opposite problem where speedtest site has a tough time registering proper pings from my fiber gateway...



Sarcasm noted.

chrisbmoore

join:2003-08-28
Elkins Park, PA
reply to flashcore
You definitely don't have a clue at the improvements comcast has made. My last speed test shows ping time of 5 ms 110 Mbps download 20 Mbps upload on the 105/15 tier. no such thing as 500-1000 ms ping times anymore, maybe once upon a time.

BiggA

join:2005-11-23
EARTH
reply to rebus9
Those are insanely low. However, 10ms difference in latency is absolutely nothing, even to the more hardcore gamer.