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Re: No complaints

Wed, 25 Jul 2012 22:24:29 EDT

openbox9 posted : I "choose" not to. I'm not "forced" to have it on.

Re: No complaints

Wed, 25 Jul 2012 22:19:01 EDT

cramer posted : Fine. Turn *YOUR* internet off and see how much you like it.

(you've now earned a permanent ignore)

Re: No complaints

Wed, 25 Jul 2012 22:15:45 EDT

openbox9 posted : Is a gun being held to your head? Are your wages being garnished by a court order to pay your bill for access to the Internet? Is a family member or loved one being held hostage with threat of bodily harm unless you subscribe to access the Internet? I'm still wondering how these "atrocities" are being forced upon consumers.

Re: No complaints

Wed, 25 Jul 2012 22:07:53 EDT

cramer posted : And you're confusing "no broadband" as a choice.

Re: No complaints

Wed, 25 Jul 2012 21:58:52 EDT

openbox9 posted : Ok, I think you're confusing "little choice" with "force".

Re: No complaints

Wed, 25 Jul 2012 21:39:33 EDT

cramer posted : Yes FORCE. Take it or leave it. Where "leave it" equates to no broadband. With any other non-monopoly business, you can go elsewhere. In the broadband market, your choices are often slim and none. When your ISP decides to offer products/services their customers don't want, those customers have little choice. If any other business tried that, they would very quickly not have customers. As I have enumerated (many times), the choice of ISP can be very limited. We aren't in the area of dialup anymore -- when you could change ISPs as fast as you can type in a new phone number.

Re: No complaints

Wed, 25 Jul 2012 21:06:02 EDT

openbox9 posted :

said by cramer:

In no other business can you force your customers to take what they don't want.

Huh...force? Name another business that doesn't sell a range of products/services and then require payment for those products/services.

Re: No complaints

Wed, 25 Jul 2012 14:35:03 EDT

cramer posted : It's not a tirade, it's a reality... They want caps. They want overage fees. Because it's a massive source of pure profit. (plus it puts a damper on "internet video" draining away profits from their TV business.)

The business is profitable (and has been for many years.) They're managing DOCSIS 3 upgrades while still being profitable. But they claim the need caps/overages to keep the lights on. In no other business can you force your customers to take what they don't want.

The "just take your business elsewhere" idea is nice, but often isn't an option. If TWC is out, where am I supposed to go? Uverse... not available here. DSL... legacy bellsouth dsl (max 6M) would be available, but AT&T won't provision new connections, and it has a 150GB cap. (their standard lie is "no ports available") FiOS? not available -- Verizon sold Durham to Frontier who doesn't have a single clue how to use it. HughsNet/DirectWay/etc. You're jokeing right?!? LTE/4G/3G/etc. cellular... expensive, low caps, high overages or brutal throttling. Clearwire... in my experience, that shit doesn't work very well anywhere. (while I've tried it here, and it does "work", it's not so fast or reliable.) And they also have caps and throttling, 'tho undocumented and applied seemingly at random.

No complaints

Wed, 25 Jul 2012 13:56:21 EDT

elray posted : On this side of town, most everyone I associate with uses Time Warner Cable, not Verizon or AT&T; CableCo continues to deliver better service, value, and pricing, and they've been doing so for four years.

Karl's incessant tirade, in which he insists CableCo wants to charge overages, is simply foolish. Overage charges will cause Mom to bolt, in a hearbeat.

Volume-based pricing exists to allow them to reach marginal customers who otherwise might go without, but otherwise don't use much. My folks, my former landlord, my immediate neighbors, would ALL benefit from TWC's proposed plan.

If you were to suggest that "low" caps are intended to induce ~~data hogs~~ "average users" to alleviate their meter-anxiety and pay more for "unlimited" plans, that would make more sense.