 Link LoggerPremium,MVM
join:2001-03-29
Calgary, AB
kudos:3 | reply to Sindows 7
Re: [Info] Windows 8 wants to nickel and dime you to death So here is the question, what do you think of the Apple or Google stores for example? For one it means small software shops can focus on developing software and don't have to worry about 'selling' as that is handled by the OS vendor, you just get a check from them. There becomes a standards level that has to be met before you app can be listed, which would benefit users (ie reduce the amount of crap software). Frankly I think Microsoft wanted to do this a long time ago but the monopoly thing held them back, but now they can say they are just following what other OS vendors are already doing. As someone who has done a number of software companies of varying sizes, I know Microsoft has the best deal for software vendors of the 3 as for example they scale back the 30% for increased sales so its attractive that way, but so far every store I've seen have come up short in terms of letting vendors put their full weight behind marketing of their products, but I'm curious to see how Microsoft does with this.
Will I be first in line to get a Microsoft surface device, heck ya, do I like Windows 8, yes as it does grow on you once you use it, as its meant for a different user then traditional windows, but then again users have changed since Windows 3.0 busted onto the screen. Users today grew up with computers, which makes a difference when designing an OS like Windows 8.
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Sherwood, MI
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said by JohnInSJ:This (integrated app stores) is how software (trusted software) will be sold in the future. Same as Apple. Same as Google.
Sorry about your stomach issues, hope you get them resolved.
Will we have to root the OS to regain control of our property, maybe to even install an alternative OS?
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join:2001-03-15
Smithtown, NY Reviews:
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Just upgraded from XP to Win7. Don't see any great advantages in the upgrade worth $200 and the 3 days to install all my existing software. I still have a couple of quirks with a couple of programs and I have no intentions of going to Win8.
I thought that Windows 7 was named because you get 7 updates a day 7 days a week, although it has been a bit better in the last week or two.
It also is totally ridiculous that Microsoft updates a working nVidia display driver with a version that crashed Photoshop.
I think sadly Microsoft is becoming a marketing company. |
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Mele20Premium
join:2001-06-05
Hilo, HI
kudos:4 | Didn't you learn back with Windows 98 to NEVER EVER get a video driver from Microsoft update site! If you have an OEM machine don't get it from them either because it will probably be a stripped down version (Dell does this). Always go to the vendor's website and don't keep updating willy-nilly display drivers...for a year maybe with a new computer and stop as you won't get anything useful after about that time and you increase the likelihood of the update being a bad one for you. After a year, get a new display driver only if you need it for a specific reason.
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Mele20Premium
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Hilo, HI
kudos:4 | reply to CylonRed
said by CylonRed:Windows 7 works better than XP IMHO after using Win7 since it came out at work and XP at home.
Start button is finally real (ie: Good) and it does everything very well and super stable.
What do you mean the start button is finally "real"? It has never appeared fake to me in 98, 98SE, XP or in Vista where it got screwed up but it was still real. I only had Windows 7 briefly during the public beta (although I will be buying a Windows 7 computer soon...before Oct 26) but the start button was real...it was totally messed up though worse than in Vista and I had to get third party software installed to fix it...but it sure as heck was "real".
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join:2000-05-04
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Everyone seems to be focused on metro. But it's just the start menu at the start of one's session. Some of the time after boot the system goes to the desktop right away. One does not have to leave the desktop ever. I spend about 95% of time on the desktop. I personally like to use the metro apps. I use them almost every session.
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 The PigI know you want to be mePremium
join:2009-09-11 | reply to Sindows 7
So without a start button you have to minimize the screen you are working with to open another link that you have to access on the screen?
Seems like a pain! |
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said by Mele20:(although I will be buying a Windows 7 computer soon...before Oct 26) but the start button was real...it was totally messed up though worse than in Vista and I had to get third party software installed to fix it...but it sure as heck was "real".
So you were using a 3rd party Start Menu in Windows 7? If so, then you could probably use the same program in Windows 8.
I use Classic Shell in Windows 7 and it works in Windows 8 as well.
For those who like the Windows Application page but prefer something not full screen within Desktop, there is a Start Menu alternative called Start8.
Both these utilities can be set to take you to desktop when you boot your computer. |
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join:2003-09-22
San Jose, CA
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said by redxii:said by JohnInSJ:This (integrated app stores) is how software (trusted software) will be sold in the future. Same as Apple. Same as Google.
Sorry about your stomach issues, hope you get them resolved.
Will we have to root the OS to regain control of our property, maybe to even install an alternative OS? No, you won't. You *have* root already, since it's not an appliance.
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said by The Pig:So without a start button you have to minimize the screen you are working with to open another link that you have to access on the screen?
Seems like a pain!
What? I have no idea what scenario you're talking about.
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said by CylonRed:said by Razzy:FYI, time I spent in desktop on Windows 8 = 99%
Time spent on Metro apps on Windows 8 = 1%
I am confused - no idea what you are trying to convey here - no idea at all. I missed this one - I meant I barely spend my time in Metro side of Windows 8 - that is by choice - I can go there if I want but with Windows 8 tablet/phones coming out, I will start (pun intended!)
I'm always in desktop - everything works exactly the same way as Windows 7 but no start menu but start screen replaced it. The start button is there but it is hidden until you move the mouse to lower left corner. When I want to run a typical Windows software like VirtualBox. I just click start and I have VirtualBox pinned in the start screen. So I just click it. Start Screen disappear back to desktop with VirtualBox loaded. |
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said by The Pig:So without a start button you have to minimize the screen you are working with to open another link that you have to access on the screen?
Seems like a pain!
What OS are you talking about? Because it's not Windows 8 you are talking about ;p |
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I "hate" those 3rd party software. They will cause unexplainable crashes no doubt.
As for booting to desktop - I just click Desktop tile on start screen - TADA I'm in desktop ;p I actually prefer to boot to start screen so I can glance all the useful live tiles before I get to work on desktop. |
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Mele20Premium
join:2001-06-05
Hilo, HI
kudos:4 | The problem is that Microsoft thinks everyone actually uses the desktop. I don't. I never go to it. I use Windows Explorer when I need something. The desktop to me is a pretty picture I have with a little program I've run since Windows 95 that hides everything on the desktop so all I see is the pretty picture when I boot. Then, I use Quick Start menu. I hate wasting time on the Desktop! If I want to know the weather, I have a tab open at all times on Fx to the weather service for my town. Why would I want to go to the desktop and ruin my picture by telling Desktop Sweeper to restore all the crappy garbage on it so I can look for a dumb something that will show me the weather? It is much more productive to ignore the desktop as soon as boot is completed and use your tabs in your browser or use Windows Explorer.
Of course, I know Microsoft ruined Explorer in Windows 7, and somewhat in Vista, but then there are third party programs that restore Windows Explorer. It is not my fault there are tons of idiots using Windows these days who can't be bothered to learn how to use it so Microsoft feels compelled to cater to their inability to learn anything. So, I will use a third party program because all these idiots have ruined Windows.
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| said by Mele20:It is not my fault there are tons of idiots using Windows these days who can't be bothered to learn how to use it so Microsoft feels compelled to cater to their inability to learn anything. Wow!! Really? Everyone is supposed to be a computer genius?
Wow.
Oh, and thanks for calling my parents idiots. I'm sure they'd appreciate that.
Why don't we just go back to DOS? Who needs a GUI anyway?
As for a program that hides everything on the desktop, why do you even need that? Since WinXP, you can hide the desktop icons without any 3rd party utilities.
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said by Mele20:Of course, I know Microsoft ruined Explorer in Windows 7, and somewhat in Vista, but then there are third party programs that restore Windows Explorer. It is not my fault there are tons of idiots using Windows these days who can't be bothered to learn how to use it so Microsoft feels compelled to cater to their inability to learn anything. So, I will use a third party program because all these idiots have ruined Windows.
After actually learning how to use it, the Windows 7 explorer is a vast improvement over XP. In my opinion. But that's just me, after I spent time learning something new. Not sure why you feel so strongly towards other people based on a file explorer preference... |
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Windows Vista/7 is definitely much better than XP on Explorer. Windows 8 is even better.
I meant start8/classic shell or whatever shell replacement program that replace explorer.exe as in third party software. |
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said by Sindows 7:Looks like Windows 8 will be wanting mo' money for everything.
After wanting Windows 7 users to "terminate" sidebar gadgets, now they want you to cough up for aps in the aps store.
Windows 8 makes me wanna puke everytime I see news about it.
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Microsoft's app store for Windows 8 has been on a slow and steady push towards 400 apps recently, despite the fact app publishing is still reserved for a small number of developers right now. After being previewed at a Microsoft event back in December, McAkins online notes that eBay has published its own Metro style app in the Windows Store, bringing the online shopping site to Windows 8 tablets and PCs.
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Windows Store will be integrated into Windows 8. With just a few taps, you will be able to buy touch-friendly, Metro-style applications built for the new OS
They tried to nickel and dime us with Microsoft Flight and that tanked.
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| said by workablob:said by Sindows 7:Looks like Windows 8 will be wanting mo' money for everything.
After wanting Windows 7 users to "terminate" sidebar gadgets, now they want you to cough up for aps in the aps store.
Windows 8 makes me wanna puke everytime I see news about it.
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Microsoft's app store for Windows 8 has been on a slow and steady push towards 400 apps recently, despite the fact app publishing is still reserved for a small number of developers right now. After being previewed at a Microsoft event back in December, McAkins online notes that eBay has published its own Metro style app in the Windows Store, bringing the online shopping site to Windows 8 tablets and PCs.
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Windows Store will be integrated into Windows 8. With just a few taps, you will be able to buy touch-friendly, Metro-style applications built for the new OS
They tried to nickel and dime us with Microsoft Flight and that tanked. Dave Uh.. Microsoft Flight has been going on for 25 years... I wouldn't call it "tanked"... LOL ;p |
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| said by Razzy:Uh.. Microsoft Flight has been going on for 25 years... I wouldn't call it "tanked"... LOL ;p
»www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2407672,00.asp
Microsoft just stopped development on Microsoft Flight. It's dead, again. 
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