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codecx

join:2007-04-16
Mississauga, ON

Petition to bring Google Fibre to canada

As like most of you, I don't put much thought into online petitions but, I figure we have have nothing to lose for trying on this one.

»secure.avaaz.org/en/petition/Bri···?abDmqdb
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hm

@videotron.ca

A couple of years ago google was buying or laying fibre some place around toronto.

Pretty sure this can be found either in this forum or the TSI forum. I recall the google fanbois cheering about this.

What happened to that?



codecx

join:2007-04-16
Mississauga, ON

I am not quite sure.

But, some people are suggesting the CRTC is blocking Google to bring services here.

Wouldn't surprise me, but not going to put on my tinfoil hat just yet.
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hm

@videotron.ca

They shouldn't be. There was already a CRTC decision that allowed foreign entities to own Canadian fibre & the hook-up. That too can be found in this forum.

So, unless Bell and Telus started something we all don't know about, then I'm not leaning on the CRTC being a factor in this, just yet.

So in effect, google can 100% own it all, but a Canadian majority holding company can sell the services. I'm not up to date on the foreign ownership thing where the CON's said they are opening the door to this. So yeah, there could still be some issues.

I even recall the TSI fanbois also bugging Rocky to jump on this ship and find the ins and outs of this and to get involved.

I'm too lazy to search. Not even sure what search term to use to find this stuff here. But it's here some place...



franklyong
Cisco Geek

join:2004-12-05
Canada
kudos:1
reply to codecx

»fiber.google.com/about/

Thats the link and yea I signed up :P



Guspaz
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Montreal, QC
kudos:22
reply to hm

The government has basically removed all foreign ownership restrictions in C-38. Below 10% market share revenue (roughly $4 billion) there are zero restrictions, over that percentage the only added restriction is that they can't buy any Canadian carrier or any shared infrastructure currently used by Canadian carriers to deliver service. So those restrictions are not really onerous.

In fact of all telecom companies in Canada, only Bell/Telus/Rogers are bigger than that. Companies like Videotron serve entire provinces and still aren't over 10%.
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singerie3

join:2008-10-12
Saint-Constant, QC
reply to codecx

signed



elwoodblues
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join:2006-08-30
Somewhere in
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reply to franklyong

What did you use for a zip code? 90210?
Gheez



elwoodblues
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reply to Guspaz

The infrastructure costs in Toronto would be through the roof. That's the #1 problem with any new wireline provider, the cost of building out a whole new infrastructure would prevent a ROI for a century(I exaggerate, but the cost would be huge).



Guspaz
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said by elwoodblues:

The infrastructure costs in Toronto would be through the roof. That's the #1 problem with any new wireline provider, the cost of building out a whole new infrastructure would prevent a ROI for a century(I exaggerate, but the cost would be huge).

They'd never do Toronto in the near-term, it's immensely larger than Kansas City. Montreal is still significantly larger. They'd probably pick some smaller city.

The high infrastructure costs are offset by the "fibrehood" method they use, where they only build out neighbourhoods that a certain percentage of people sign up in, and they set the percentage to 5%, 10%, or 25% depending on how expensive it is to build out that area.
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plebel
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join:2011-01-27
Ottawa, ON

They should start in Ottawa, preferably within my neighbourhood, where the services are on overhead lines so the buildout will be cheap.

Two summers ago I watched some technicians run fiber cable for Bell behind my house. A couple of months ago, Bell finally made fiber to the home available in my neighbourhood, a full two years after running the fiber cable. Of course, the primary motivation for this rollout is to provide Fibe TV, the internet plans that use real fiber are ridiculously overpriced. If Bell can affort to roll this stuff out at whatever rate of adoption there is around here, I have no doubt Google could afford to do the same.

I signed the petition, hopefully this will help to get their attention. We can certainly use some competition from a company that is focused on providing top-tier internet services to their customers.



dillyhammer
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said by plebel:

They should start in Ottawa Hamilton, preferably within my Mike's neighbourhood

Fixed that for you.

Goes to show how retarded Canada's telecom sector is. Wealthy. But totally retarded.

Mike
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elwoodblues
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They'd probably start down east , Halifax or St John's


Roofer

join:2010-11-24
reply to codecx

Words I thought I would never see in writing from an ISP: "No data caps".



Guspaz
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said by Roofer:

Words I thought I would never see in writing from an ISP: "No data caps".

You mean like the plans offered by TekSavvy, Electronic Box, Acanac, etc? Plans without data caps are not rare or difficult to get.
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dillyhammer
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said by Guspaz:

You mean like the plans offered by TekSavvy, Electronic Box, Acanac, etc? Plans without data caps are not rare or difficult to get.

Nor all that expensive.

They're just, comparatively speaking, as slow as Kingdom Come [TM].

Mike

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MaynardKrebs
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reply to Guspaz

said by Guspaz:

said by elwoodblues:

The infrastructure costs in Toronto would be through the roof. That's the #1 problem with any new wireline provider, the cost of building out a whole new infrastructure would prevent a ROI for a century(I exaggerate, but the cost would be huge).

They'd never do Toronto in the near-term, it's immensely larger than Kansas City. Montreal is still significantly larger. They'd probably pick some smaller city.

The high infrastructure costs are offset by the "fibrehood" method they use, where they only build out neighbourhoods that a certain percentage of people sign up in, and they set the percentage to 5%, 10%, or 25% depending on how expensive it is to build out that area.

Most (not everywhere in the city , but most) of Toronto wired telecom residential services are done via poles installed on the BACKYARD property line. This alone makes the labour component of stringing fiber much more costly.


Guspaz
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It's still cheaper than digging trenches. I would imagine that a significant portion of Toronto's population is in MDUs that are not done by poles.
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DanteX

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reply to codecx

Well we a l cant sit back and complain it will cost too much to install fiber in places like Toronto . It has to be done might as well be done now then later. if we do not do this Canada will become even more of a laughing stock when it comes to its communications infrastructure and companies who gauge the shit out of us.

Does there exist a telco company focused on innovation first and bleeding the customer dry second?



elwoodblues
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said by DanteX:

Does there exist a telco company focused on innovation first and bleeding the customer dry second?

Think of the shareholders, the little grannies that are holding on the Bell stock and relying on the dividends to support themselves.

How dare you take money out of the mouths of those Grannies, so you can have a faster Internet connection!

You should be ashamed of yourself.
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DanteX

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How dare those share holders charge us modern day car prices for a horse and buggy


Cloneman

join:2002-08-29
Montreal
kudos:3
reply to codecx

I wasn't aware grandmothers held BCE stock.

If you want to pretest google sevices in Canada, Start with google voice