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OldSatUser

join:2012-05-10
Fresno, OH
reply to silbaco

Re: HughesNet Gen 4 (USA Latest News)

Unfortunately, they dont have to be that much better to beat Exede. Exede's plans are so crappy, just by making a few tweaks Hughesnet can offer a better plan. And since these companies only have to compete against each other (and to some extent 4G LTE in certain locations)...it is what it is.

The true disappointment started with Exede plans. Now we have to take what these companies have to offer or get no internet at all



stinkyboots

@wildblue.net
reply to ricky_005

So if those numbers are accurate, they will still offer more than Exede. Disappointing to say the least though, I was holding out hopes they would keep the unlimited nightly. Looking at the base package 10 gig day plus 10 gig per night= 20 gigs per month vs. 7.5 gigs for Exede (direct, not NRTC or Dish). So I would call that marginally better, only marginally because it still sux a little. If uploads stilll aren't counted, it would make it a little better as well.


DrStrangLov

join:2012-03-28
reply to OldSatUser

said by OldSatUser:

The true disappointment started with

AT&T

In the dialup beginning, it was by the byte. Then on AT&T dialup, they came out with all-you-can-eat plan, which forced ISPs to abandon their byte counting.

Now, AT&T has started cutting off their all you can eat cable, FIOS, and wireless buffets...

Hence, it was to AT&T's interest to have all you can eat dialup service, since other ISPs had to by more phone lines. But, on AT&T cell towers, cable/fiber, all you can eat eats away on their bottom line.

silbaco
Premium
join:2009-08-03
USA
reply to OldSatUser

said by OldSatUser:

Unfortunately, they dont have to be that much better to beat Exede. Exede's plans are so crappy, just by making a few tweaks Hughesnet can offer a better plan. And since these companies only have to compete against each other (and to some extent 4G LTE in certain locations)...it is what it is.

The true disappointment started with Exede plans. Now we have to take what these companies have to offer or get no internet at all

I guess I had hope Hughesnet would finally start competing outside their current market. Particularly for people on aging DSL lines. If they tried to lure people in who currently have slow DSL, they would have to offer decent caps. I was thinking along the lines of 20GB, 40GB, and 60GB with unlimited nights and decent overages. That would have benefited everyone. But apparently the only thing Hughes wants to do is milk everything they can from people who have no alternative until there is no milk left. If I were a shareholder in Echostar I would not be amused. Sure, they make more money in the immediate future. But a company that is closed-minded to growth is not a company that has a good future. Verizon is going to grab as many as they can. By the time Hughes realizes what they missed, it will be too late.

Better than Exede, but still bad.

OldSatUser

join:2012-05-10
Fresno, OH

Verizon has an opportunity, but their 4G coverage is limited (even when if it is completed next year). And Homefusion is what? 20Gb for $100? But they do have the speed to compete with Exede and Gen4 and low latency. Plus a customer support organization that far surpasses anything a satellite internet company can provide.

Like has been stated by others. Gen4 plans sounds like they will be "marginally" better than Exede...but with the Exede bar already set so low...that isn't saying much. Sort of like the high jump. Exede has the pole set 1 foot high. Gen4 might move it up about a foot and half...lol.



seller

@rr.com
reply to stinkyboots

Word is Exede just started unlimited download zone between 12:00 am and 5:00 am.


marsh_0x

join:2006-04-25
Tomahawk, WI

said by seller :

Word is Exede just started unlimited download zone between 12:00 am and 5:00 am.

Hmm I have a huge download after 1am cst so may give it a try, need to call Dish Network anyways. 15GB plan and last month used only 3GB so it's down to the lowest plan makes logical sense.

Also have Basic plan with HN $54 so not much of a BW hog, doesn't matter how it went with plans.
Tho the monthly plan switch does have a benefit.
Heavy night owl hitters won't be happy.

A couple other community members had the same info from HN calls appears to be on the same page.

OldSatUser

join:2012-05-10
Fresno, OH
reply to ricky_005

Marsh...I have heard nothing that Exede is doing an uncapped download period EXCEPT on the Recovery Plans. And that is unconfirmed...and I doubt there are many people on those plans.

Now, I could see it...as their response to Hughesnet Gen4 plans. Then the pendulum would swing back to advantage Exede.

Competition is good!


ricky_005

join:2012-01-17
united state

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reply to ricky_005

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Here is the Canadian Gen 4 plans that's been known for some time ... »www.xplornet.com/traffic-managem···tv-itmp/

Guess what, the US consumers gets the shaft again! And what are you going to do about it? Nothing because your going to sit back on your couch and Watch Xanax commercials warning you of side affects which could cause depressed mood, thoughts of suicide or hurting yourself, unusual risk-taking behavior, decreased inhibitions, no fear of danger!

ricky_005

join:2012-01-17
united state

4 edits
reply to silbaco

Agree .... 100%

Guess you could have a exciting broadband experience .... but it will last only a few days.

After that, you get a red, white & blue shaft rammed up your anus so far you start spitting out $8 dollar bills for every Gig you consume there after.

There's going to be a heck of a knee jerk when Parents receive their bill. This will end very badly for many ...

As for Washington...they don't give a rats &(*# about the poor and middle class .... and they will continue to allow the corporations to financially rape and pillage consumers around the globe till the collapse!


ricky_005

join:2012-01-17
united state

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Here's some Facts that will be very very disappointing to Rural America.

OVERAGE CHARGES BY HUGHESNET

5 GB over $40.00 + TAXES
10 GB over $80.00 + TAXES
15 GB over $120.00 + TAXES
20 GB over $160.00 + TAXES
25 GB over $200.00 + TAXES
30 GB over $240.00 + TAXES

Do you hear that sucking sound coming for your wallet?

If you sign up for the 30 GB Plan, and at the end of the month you and your children and friends consumed 60 GB of Data, you will be receiving a Bill for $340.00 + TAXES

Lets say hughesNet created a virus and randomly installs on 2% of its users satellite modems which would purposely manipulate your data usage rate far and above your data rate plan and you receive a bill for $685.00

Or how about the CEO looking for a Bigger End of the Year Bonus contracts out a hacker to manipulate data consumption on 2% of there satellite modems!

Or a Hacker hacks your wireless router and consumes Huge Amounts of data!

Just some realities that can happen!


davidhoffman
Premium
join:2009-11-19
Warner Robins, GA
kudos:2

You pay the ETF and quit the service. Now what long term good has the virus or hack done for HughesNet? Keep it up and HughesNet has no subscribers. Is that an excellent business strategy?



Simba7
I Void Warranties

join:2003-03-24
Billings, MT
reply to ricky_005

Me, if Satellite was my only option (and I do mean ONLY), I'd choose the Performance Business package.

Yes, we do eat through that much data a month. Sometimes more. We could fire up the 1.8TB Proxy server and cache most of the sites and drop our usage quite a bit. This would be handy for updates and stuff during the FAP-Free hours.

100GB I can work with easily. 30GB? Not so much.


ricky_005

join:2012-01-17
united state

2 edits
reply to davidhoffman

The only customers they have are NO OPTION CUSTOMERS... What u going to do call the police, FCC, BBB SEC.... LMAO You think they care? Better yet do you think laws are written for the consumers best interest? LMAO



gwalk
Premium
join:2005-07-27
West Mich.
reply to ricky_005

Lets say hughesNet created a virus and randomly installs on 2% of its users satellite modems which would purposely manipulate your data usage rate far and above your data rate plan and you receive a bill for $685.00

The above MAY be true but, shouldn't everone practice "safe hex" ?
Don't run as admin, run up to date AV and anti malware and keep your OS up to date.4


ricky_005

join:2012-01-17
united state

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A virus isn't necessary, they could simply go into HughsNet database server and manipulate the records which keeps up with how much you've downloaded. Bam... when you have a business model like their about to implement, it can happen and it's engineered so it will happen.

Lets say they get caught manipulating there own system, which would be nearly imposable to prove... so what would happen, they get a hand slap, and fined $3,000,000 but the thief was for $20,000,000. No one goes to prison and they profit 17 million.

Most all Corporations if there in the click with Washington have a license to Murder, Steal, Cheat, Rape, Free Get out of Jail cards ....you name it...

AV scanner ..... lol


ricky_005

join:2012-01-17
united state

1 edit
reply to gwalk

Another thought .... If you know you only have 30 GB of data for 100 bucks. How much are you going to risk going over 30 GB ... Most users will be terrified of being Raped for $8 for each addition Gig, and reluctant to use the internet connection there paying for because of this ...

If the billing cycle is the same for all hughsNet customers ... the last few days of the month is going to be awful and I mean Awful .... Everyone trying to watch videos they have been putting off because of the fear of not having enough data to last them through the month, they are going to be burning the dishes up!

This also go's for other companies which have business models Identical to this one. Example: VERIZON & AT&T


A Tech

join:2008-11-10
reply to ricky_005

So what does everyone expect a private TV station over the satellite for $3 or $1.50 a day ?


ricky_005

join:2012-01-17
united state

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@A Tech - Based on your comment, you seem to support HughsNets $8 GB extortion overage pricing for the US.


One More Too

join:2010-09-09
Galena, IL

said by ricky_005:

@A Tech - Based on your comment, you seem to support HughsNets $8 GB overage pricing for the US.

I'm guessing that Hughes has determined that, if they sell additional bandwidth for a modest charge, people won't hesitate to use that additional bandwidth and that such additional bandwidth usage will stretch available bandwidth to the point of bogging down the system for all users. Thus, they have decided to make the charge for bandwidth overages so high that most users will be especially careful not to go there. That is also the thinking of the cell phone companies with regard to their very high overage charges.

silbaco
Premium
join:2009-08-03
USA

Gen4 has the capacity to supply decent plans with low cost overages. It is not even a matter of trying to make people think they don't have the capacity anymore. With 140gbps of capacity, it is simply "because we can."

Capacity issues are only a problem during peak anyway, which is when QoS is already implemented to handle congestion. Charging overages during periods of non-peak is purely for money.


ricky_005

join:2012-01-17
united state
reply to One More Too

quote:
I'm guessing that Hughes has determined that, if they sell additional bandwidth for a modest charge, people won't hesitate to use that additional bandwidth and that such additional bandwidth usage will stretch available bandwidth to the point of bogging down the system for all users.
NO...They are figuring you will go over and have no other option but to pay the $8 GB extortion fee. One reason out of a million....Your child's school requires them to perform research online and consumes all of the plans data within a week!

sharkyyoung
Premium
join:2012-03-15
Reno, NV

said by ricky_005:

quote:
I'm guessing that Hughes has determined that, if they sell additional bandwidth for a modest charge, people won't hesitate to use that additional bandwidth and that such additional bandwidth usage will stretch available bandwidth to the point of bogging down the system for all users.
NO...They are figuring you will go over and have no other option but to pay the $8 GB extortion fee. One reason out of a million....Your child's school requires them to perform research online and consumes all of the plans data within a week!

If your kid is using up GB's in a week or 2 for research, they are actually doing something else besides the research.

ricky_005

join:2012-01-17
united state

Its going to happen..... kids are curious creatures.

And mommy and daddy gets a bill for $300 bucks ...


sharkyyoung
Premium
join:2012-03-15
Reno, NV
reply to ricky_005

said by ricky_005:

Here is the Canadian Gen 4 plans that's been known for some time ... »www.xplornet.com/traffic-managem···tv-itmp/

Guess what, the US consumers gets the shaft again! And what are you going to do about it? Nothing because your going to sit back on your couch and Watch Xanax commercials warning you of side affects which could cause depressed mood, thoughts of suicide or hurting yourself, unusual risk-taking behavior, decreased inhibitions, no fear of danger!

Its really funny how these plans have been known as you say for sometime, because until Hughes releases them i feel this is bogus at least for the U.S. maybe Canada knows something we all don't but I seriously doubt it

ricky_005

join:2012-01-17
united state

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Xplornet is known ... The info for HughsNet USA came from a dealer supposedly , so for now I can only assume its accurate.

I suspect HughesNet and Exede are colluding as we speak as not to start a data war. What ever the outcome may be they will balance things on both sides so they both continue to have the market cornered. Very soon the official plans will be released and I expect them to look very similar to Exede...Example: Verizion/AT&T

This has been the trend in the markets for some time.... Don't start a War....Raping the consumers is more fun and more profitable for Me Me Me Me and the share holders. Beside the Government has been bought and paid for by no other than your favorite corporations.


A Tech

join:2008-11-10
reply to ricky_005

I just know how much satellite bandwidth cost in 1985 to light up a transponder 24 hours a day 7 days a week. $250 per hour on an unpopular ku bird at the time. I am grateful for what we get now and getting 60 gigs a month for $100.00 or so seems to be a bargain.


ricky_005

join:2012-01-17
united state

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said by A Tech :

I just know how much satellite bandwidth cost in 1985 to light up a transponder 24 hours a day 7 days a week. $250 per hour on an unpopular ku bird at the time. I am grateful for what we get now and getting 60 gigs a month for $100.00 or so seems to be a bargain.

What Country and which Corporation is giving you 60GB a month for $100.00?

silbaco
Premium
join:2009-08-03
USA
reply to sharkyyoung

said by sharkyyoung:

said by ricky_005:

quote:
I'm guessing that Hughes has determined that, if they sell additional bandwidth for a modest charge, people won't hesitate to use that additional bandwidth and that such additional bandwidth usage will stretch available bandwidth to the point of bogging down the system for all users.
NO...They are figuring you will go over and have no other option but to pay the $8 GB extortion fee. One reason out of a million....Your child's school requires them to perform research online and consumes all of the plans data within a week!

If your kid is using up GB's in a week or 2 for research, they are actually doing something else besides the research.

Not necessarily. Teachers these days assign assignments without the slightest regard for data usage. Especially in highschool, where teachers assign for students to watch hours of online videos for some of their projects.

marsh_0x

join:2006-04-25
Tomahawk, WI

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I just called Dish Network and the tech was unaware of »www.exede.com/exede-customers/la···ree-zone nothing has been said to him.

Dropped from the 15GB package to 10GB their lowest plan for $52 (tax), last month used 3.4GB so makes sense to save $30.

In 3 hours will test after midnight cst, odd wasn't able to check usage until logging out of Gmail.
Too be continued drinking coffee haha

EDIT: darn it posted on the wrong thread