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Re: DHS Prepares for Civil Unrest...

Thu, 02 Aug 2012 09:19:20 EDT

Kearnstd posted :

said by Cudni:

Or any other good/bad reason at the time.

It's all For The Children/To Defeat The Terrorists/Public Safety(TM).

Think they will use all three at once or use a variable loadout depending on the news conference?
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Re: DHS Prepares for Civil Unrest...

Thu, 02 Aug 2012 08:03:27 EDT

SipSizzurp posted : Removed. OT. :hmm:

Re: DHS Prepares for Civil Unrest...

Wed, 01 Aug 2012 23:35:55 EDT

Juggernaut posted : Sweet! :)

Re: DHS Prepares for Civil Unrest...

Wed, 01 Aug 2012 23:32:57 EDT

Name Game posted :

said by Juggernaut:

Nah, just the regular low-brow sort. :D

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Re: DHS Prepares for Civil Unrest...

Wed, 01 Aug 2012 22:53:18 EDT

Juggernaut posted : Nah, just the regular low-brow sort. :D

Re: DHS Prepares for Civil Unrest...

Wed, 01 Aug 2012 22:46:54 EDT

StuartMW posted : Drone Porn?
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Re: DHS Prepares for Civil Unrest...

Wed, 01 Aug 2012 22:38:02 EDT

Juggernaut posted : And, porn. Can't forget porn...

Re: DHS Prepares for Civil Unrest...

Wed, 01 Aug 2012 22:30:32 EDT

StuartMW posted :

said by Name Game:

...since they could care bugger all how the feds use it.

But it's all For The Children/National Security/To Defeat The Terrorists(TM).
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Re: DHS Prepares for Civil Unrest...

Wed, 01 Aug 2012 21:56:40 EDT

Name Game posted : Good news..one political party is drafting a drone privacy bill..
»thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valle···acy-bill

but it's for commercial use of a drone since they could care bugger all how the feds use it.

But never fear the Defenders are working hard to protect the Country from Attack.

»www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-08-0···tes.html
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Re: DHS Prepares for Civil Unrest...

Wed, 01 Aug 2012 21:10:26 EDT

Blackbird posted :

said by Name Game:

Looks like you missed season two...

»joesgiantrobots.com/post/6381613···season-2 ...

Robot, HAH! Anyone can see that's an NSA surface-drone... used even back then, though the technology looks dated by modern standards. (That "box" on the 'chest' area is the image-orthicon optical sensor and the two C-band communication antennas are clearly evident on the sides of the 'head').
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Re: DHS Prepares for Civil Unrest...

Wed, 01 Aug 2012 20:44:13 EDT

Name Game posted : Looks like you missed season two...

»joesgiantrobots.com/post/6381613···season-2
»www.jeffbots.com/Gilligan.html

Skipper and little buddy might miss it also. :D
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Re: DHS Prepares for Civil Unrest...

Wed, 01 Aug 2012 19:27:59 EDT

Blackbird posted :

said by StuartMW:

said by Blackbird:

Oh yeah... it was this thread derailing...

Actually I think it derailed a few days ago. What you hear is the wrecking crew :D

I'm a fair distance from DLSR's server farm... it probably took that long for the derailment sound to travel that far against the prevailing wind... ;)
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Re: DHS Prepares for Civil Unrest...

Wed, 01 Aug 2012 18:41:33 EDT

SipSizzurp posted :

said by Name Game:

"Oh for goodness sakes, that's just what we needed. The tin fugitive from the Wizard of Oz. "

That iz NOT from the "Wizard of OZ", and I have castrated for lesser offenses than plagerizing the Skipper and "My Little Buddy". Just FYI.
Let the thread continue.....
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Re: DHS Prepares for Civil Unrest...

Wed, 01 Aug 2012 17:14:26 EDT

StuartMW posted :

said by Blackbird:

Oh yeah... it was this thread derailing...

Actually I think it derailed a few days ago. What you hear is the wrecking crew :D
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Re: DHS Prepares for Civil Unrest...

Wed, 01 Aug 2012 17:07:02 EDT

Blackbird posted : What's that screeching, grinding sound I just heard? Oh yeah... it was this thread derailing...

Re: DHS Prepares for Civil Unrest...

Wed, 01 Aug 2012 16:29:33 EDT

Name Game posted : They are all busy today on the hockey field..but if you can get all ten through the hoop we might have some extra medals laying around.

Re: DHS Prepares for Civil Unrest...

Wed, 01 Aug 2012 16:06:47 EDT

StuartMW posted : [att=1]

Are there any WOMEN here today?
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Wed, 01 Aug 2012 16:00:29 EDT

Name Game posted :

said by FutureMon:

I'm not going to be the one throwing rocks at the police, so I doubt it will affect me :)

- FM

Love it when you have it all signed sealed and delivered... :D kinda gives credence to your suppositions.. you'd be fun at the party. ;)
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Re: DHS Prepares for Civil Unrest...

Wed, 01 Aug 2012 15:53:46 EDT

FutureMon posted : I'm not going to be the one throwing rocks at the police, so I doubt it will affect me :)

- FM

Re: DHS Prepares for Civil Unrest...

Wed, 01 Aug 2012 15:41:44 EDT

goalieskates posted :

said by FutureMon:

I would simply state that when Obama gets re-elected, there's gonna be a LOT of pissed off rednecks and teabaggers who wouldn't think twice about starting riots over it.

Simple enough to see. Why not plan for it?

- FM

Because there are always so many riots after an election, right? And only rednecks and teabaggers are sore losers? /sarcasm.

If you believe that and accept it as a reason to "plan" you're a product of that dumbed-down education. Head on over to the porch and ponder the fact a drone can't tell a redneck from a liberal, and nobody stops during a riot to ask the question either. When liberties are taken away, it's everybody's liberty, including yours.

Re: DHS Prepares for Civil Unrest...

Wed, 01 Aug 2012 15:26:19 EDT

Name Game posted :

said by FutureMon:

Party already started last month...thank you very much :D But bring your own stuff.
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Re: DHS Prepares for Civil Unrest...

Wed, 01 Aug 2012 14:43:51 EDT

FutureMon posted : I would simply state that when Obama gets re-elected, there's gonna be a LOT of pissed off rednecks and teabaggers who wouldn't think twice about starting riots over it.

Simple enough to see. Why not plan for it?

- FM
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Re: DHS Prepares for Civil Unrest...

Wed, 01 Aug 2012 13:54:17 EDT

anon posted :

said by bitemeboy:

There was a time when its' actions would be intolerable. Now it's a discussion on when it's OK to grind and how small. An educational system that has been dumbed down to control each new generation that believes the life they perceive is the acceptable norm.

People who posted on this very forum years ago of what was to come, were ridiculed, as some are now.

Re: DHS Prepares for Civil Unrest...

Wed, 01 Aug 2012 13:53:22 EDT

jaykaykay posted : :D Aw, c'mon people. We have no concerns at all. "The riot gear will be worn by Federal Protective Service agents who are tasked with protecting property, grounds and buildings owned by the federal government." The grounds and buildings, the empty and unused ones, will take up all the time and $$ spent. The drones will be kept more than busy. There are enough of those waste areas for all of us, the US of A, not to have to worry. Relax. :p
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Re: DHS Prepares for Civil Unrest...

Wed, 01 Aug 2012 09:36:11 EDT

StuartMW posted :

said by bitemeboy:

People who posted on this very forum years ago of what was to come, were ridiculed, as some are now.

For many people every event is an isolated incident that has no connection to any other. If you have this view you don't see trends and the ideas/philosophy behind them. For such people it'll come as a total surprise when the SHTF.

However, as you said, others have seen this coming for a long time. The question then becomes what to do about it. There's no place to run to and like you I believe there's no going back. The Genie is out of the bottle.
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Re: DHS Prepares for Civil Unrest...

Wed, 01 Aug 2012 09:09:54 EDT

bitemeboy posted : As the US government grinds its' population down.

There was a time when its' actions would be intolerable. Now it's a discussion on when it's OK to grind and how small. An educational system that has been dumbed down to control each new generation that believes the life they perceive is the acceptable norm.

People who posted on this very forum years ago of what was to come, were ridiculed, as some are now.

No need for me to go on. It is way too late for America. There is no going back. The comments on this forum validate that.

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Re: DHS Prepares for Civil Unrest...

Wed, 01 Aug 2012 05:24:02 EDT

Name Game posted :

said by StuartMW:

I guess American Revolution v2.0 is almost ready for public release :(

THE DRONES ARE COMING

By: Rep. Ted Poe
7/31/2012 09:55 AM

For years, the United States has used drones to track foreign terrorists overseas and catch outlaws along the border. But now, thousands of drones are heading to the homeland. Drones are already used for certain purposes here in the United States, but the FAA will soon dramatically expand the use of drones to operate nationwide by the year 2015. It is estimated, by 2020, 30,000 of them will be flying in American skies. Who and what will all of these new eyes in the sky be looking at? No one really knows. But whether we like it or not, the drones are coming.

Who will operate these drones, and what will be their mission? Could it be a suspicious government agent who thinks someone looks kind of funny? The EPA bureaucrat who wants to snoop on somebody’s farm and watch Bessie the cow graze in the pasture? Or a nosy neighbor who wants to make sure someone’s shutters are pretty and the flowers don’t violate the homeowners’ association rules? This is the kind of world that Americans could face as we enter this uncharted and unprecedented world of drone technology. Just because Big Brother can look into someone’s back yard with a drone doesn’t mean they should. That’s why we have the Fourth Amendment. Congress has the legal obligation to ensure that the Fourth Amendment rights of private citizens are protected in this new “drone world.” You see, the Fourth Amendment says that “The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects against unreasonable searches and seizures shall not be violated…” The Founders wrote the Fourth Amendment to stop this kind of government intrusion into our lives.

The Constitution limits eavesdropping, snooping, and spying on American citizens. While there are some legitimate uses for drones domestically, such as monitoring forest fires, floods and hurricanes, tracking an escaped bank robber, and other law enforcement uses, it is up to Congress to define and limit their use so that the Fourth Amendment and the right of privacy are protected.

That is why I am introducing the Preserving American Privacy Act. Now is the time for Congress to act, not in 2015. With the increased technology of surveillance, Congress must be proactive in protecting civilians from drone surveillance by law enforcement and other private citizens. This bill will ensure the privacy of Americans is protected by establishing guidelines about when and for what purpose law enforcement agencies, private citizens, and businesses can use drones.

First, it would prevent the FAA from issuing a permit for the use of a drone to fly in the United States airspace for the law enforcement purposes unless it is pursuant to a warrant and in the investigation of a felony. This would apply to Federal, State, and local jurisdictions. The warrant exceptions and exigent circumstances rules that are already the law of the land would be the same as those that are applicable in the Federal, State, or local jurisdiction where that surveillance occurs. The bill also includes a clear statement so that it does not prevent the use of drones for border security purposes. Bottom line: no one should be spying on you unless they have the legal authority to do so.

It would also prevent the FAA from issuing a permit to any private individual for the use of a drone for the surveillance of a U.S. citizen or the property of a U.S. citizen unless that person under surveillance has consented or the owner of the property has consented. There may be some other lawful exceptions as well. No one should be looking at another citizens’ private property unless they have permission to do so.

Lastly, this bill would ensure that no evidence obtained from the use of a drone may be used at an administrative hearing. This means that the EPA can’t spy on Bessie or claim that the water on a Nebraska farm is not clean enough.

Americans expect their constitutional rights, privacy and property will be protected by their government—after all that is the reason we have government in the first place. So, Congress must decide now when drones can and cannot be used in order to ensure constitutional safeguards. This decision cannot be left up to government agencies, special interest groups, or others. And it’s a decision that can’t wait.

Technology may change with time, but the Constitution does not.

And that’s just the way it is.

»www.humanevents.com/2012/07/31/r···-coming/

Congressman Ted Poe represents the 2nd Congressional District of Texas. Rep. Poe recently introduced the National Guard Border Enforcement Act that will authorize the Secretary of Defense to make 10,000 armed National Guard troops available upon request from a U.S. Governor. Rep. Poe serves on the House Judiciary Committee, Subcommittee on Border Security; Executive Member of the Immigration Reform Caucus; and recognized nationally as a leading advocate for border security. Prior to serving in Congress, Poe was a prosecutor and judge in Houston, Texas for 30 years.
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Re: DHS Prepares for Civil Unrest...

Tue, 31 Jul 2012 10:54:22 EDT

Woody79_00 posted : This sounds like something out of a movie doesn't it?

Re: DHS Prepares for Civil Unrest...

Tue, 31 Jul 2012 10:26:26 EDT

goalieskates posted :

said by Juggernaut:

To be honest, this sounds like preparation for a complete police / military state. Think Syria.

It does. :(

So just what is DHS planning on doing that they believe will inspire riots by the masses? Somebody is about to be very, very bad, deliberately.

Re: DHS Prepares for Civil Unrest...

Mon, 30 Jul 2012 18:00:31 EDT

tholly911 posted : Did we not expect this fear game to be played again because of election season? For a few iterations this game can stir up increased interest and increase voter turnout. However, it is playing with fire and once lines start being crossed ... those initial events will be squelched. But then an ever increasing propensity for action will have been started because of anger from previous events. Beware the poser. Someone initiating conversations here and elsewhere that appears on the surface to be conservative of values ... but their intent is to provide the spark and sit back and watch the fire grow. The fire is their tool. They use it well. They study history and their plans are decades in the making.

Most sad is the polarization of our country. Some of that polarization is reflected in increased levels of prejudice. Be it racism, working class, religious preference, etc.

Polarization sucks. One team, one mission, united we stand. Oh how I wish.

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Mon, 30 Jul 2012 13:25:48 EDT

StuartMW posted : I guess American Revolution v2.0 is almost ready for public release :(
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Re: DHS Prepares for Civil Unrest...

Mon, 30 Jul 2012 13:22:34 EDT

Name Game posted : U.S. Army Purchases Riot Gear As Fears Over Civil Unrest Grow

Follows DHS in preparation for domestic disorder
Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
Monday, July 30, 2012
It’s not just the Department of Homeland Security that is gearing up for the prospect of civil unrest in America. The U.S. Army also recently purchased a stock of riot gear including batons, face masks and body shields.

A recently leaked US Army Military Police training manual for “Civil Disturbance Operations” outlines how military assets are to be used domestically to quell riots, confiscate firearms and even kill Americans on U.S. soil during mass civil unrest.

On page 20 of the manual, rules regarding the use of “deadly force” in confronting “dissidents” are made disturbingly clear with the directive that a, “Warning shot will not be fired.”
The manual includes lists of weapons to be used against “rioters” or “demonstrators,” including “antiriot grenades.” It also advises troops to carry their guns in the “safe port arms” stance, a psychological tactic aimed at “making a show of force before rioters.” Non-lethal weapons and water cannons are also included.

»www.infowars.com/u-s-army-purcha···st-grow/
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Re: DHS Prepares for Civil Unrest...

Mon, 30 Jul 2012 08:53:29 EDT

camaro92 posted : Took the word's right out of my mouth, seems the U.S is learning from Russia and China and are slowly turn our democracy into a dictatorship without us even caring because the economy is the number one concern right now.

(Puts tin foil hate on) Just a coincidence that over the last year this has been happening slowly, civil unrest anyone?). And to think prob. more money from our property taxes goes to the cops then schools social services etc.

Re: DHS Prepares for Civil Unrest...

Mon, 30 Jul 2012 07:46:57 EDT

Spy posted : yes, that's a pretty good read there also Name Game :)

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Mon, 30 Jul 2012 02:41:26 EDT

rcdailey posted : The concept of using military aircraft to support law enforcement goes back at least to the 1960s (MAST or Military Assistance to Safety and Traffic, and, yes, I was around then). All this does is expand on that concept courtesy of the Patriot Act and a raft of executive orders. Nothing to look at here. Move along. ;)
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Re: DHS Prepares for Civil Unrest...

Mon, 30 Jul 2012 02:22:34 EDT

tholly911 posted : Don't you guys remember Obama wanting a domestic security force of equal strength to the military?

If it can stop the teenage boys from playing super loud bass that rattles my house ... hmmmm ... neah ... the idea still stinks.

My guess is preparation for forced confiscation of personal firearms.

And maybe to quell those extremely violent Tea Party crowds.

Fast and Furious is good policy ... but the constitutional right to bear arms is a huge democratic problem.

Re: DHS Prepares for Civil Unrest...

Mon, 30 Jul 2012 01:20:15 EDT

EGeezer posted :

said by Name Game:

... they're looking for up to 175 million rounds of .223 caliber ammo to be exact. The .223 is almost exactly the same round used by NATO forces, the 5.56 x 45mm.

The .223 is offered in both AR15 and the H&K MP5s used by law enforcement.

I wouldn't try to interchange the cartridges, though. I don't know about the H&K, but the AR15s chambered for .223 won't safely shoot a 5.56 cartridge. "Multi" chambered AR15s will handle both.

Re: DHS Prepares for Civil Unrest...

Sun, 29 Jul 2012 22:58:26 EDT

StuartMW posted :

said by Spy:

without reading the article, I've got a feeling it's got something to do with rubber hose, panties, vaseline, virgin girls, men with overgrown mustaches, greasy garter belts and ~~maybe~~ the NSA. ;)

FIFY :D
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Re: DHS Prepares for Civil Unrest...

Sun, 29 Jul 2012 22:30:56 EDT

Spy posted : without reading the article, I've got a feeling it's got something to do with rubber hose, panties, vaseline, virgin girls, men with overgrown mustaches, greasy garter belts and maybe the NSA. ;)

Re: DHS Prepares for Civil Unrest...

Sun, 29 Jul 2012 21:39:46 EDT

Juggernaut posted : Interesting. The supplier is from India. :hmm:

Re: DHS Prepares for Civil Unrest...

Sun, 29 Jul 2012 21:24:52 EDT

iknow posted : It's probably cheaper to give the people who they want as president, rather than needing armed conflict to force people to accept what they don't want. something major is in play here, and it's NOT good.

Re: DHS Prepares for Civil Unrest...

Sun, 29 Jul 2012 21:10:01 EDT

Snowy posted :

said by Blackbird:

As if the authors of DHS's RFQ didn't know months ago when the dates of the two political conventions and the 2013 inaugural would be... ?! :uhh:

They knew exactly what they were doing.
As expected, just one company got a bid in -
»www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&···ode=list

btw - "***Question Submission: Interested offerors must submit any questions concerning the solicitation at the earliest time possible to enable the Buyer to respond. Questions must be submitted by using the 'Submit a Question' feature at www.fedbid.com. Questions not received within a reasonable time prior to close of the solicitation may not be considered.***"
"Questions not received within a reasonable time prior to close of the solicitation may not be considered.***
That's nervy as hell.

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Sun, 29 Jul 2012 21:00:34 EDT

Name Game posted : Exactly...and it is too big right now to change...and too lucrative :D

Not many people knew about this one..

DHS Officers Armed With Semiautomatics Set Up Unannounced ID Checkpoint in Leesburg, FL

Thursday, January 5, 2012

»www.polkmoms.com/forum/topics/dh···3A162767
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Re: DHS Prepares for Civil Unrest...

Sun, 29 Jul 2012 20:52:57 EDT

Juggernaut posted : If you believe any ruling party has a say in this, then you are deluding yourself.

This is a direct result of self-autonomy by the various agencies.
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Sun, 29 Jul 2012 20:49:28 EDT

Rojo posted : If 0bama goes Janet Incompetano goes too.

Remember in November.

Re: DHS Prepares for Civil Unrest...

Sun, 29 Jul 2012 20:32:26 EDT

Blackbird posted :

said by Snowy:

said by Name Game:

The request gave the potential suppliers only one day to submit their proposals and a 15-day delivery requirement to Alexandria, Virginia.

That's bullshit.
It's a sneaky but not subtle way to assure the 'right' company gets the bid.
A buddy supplier with a private advance notice of the bid will not only get the contract but the lack of competition will allow the buddy company to jack up the bid price to cover cost of advance notice from the insider @DHS who waited until the 11th hour to post the bid.
There ought to be law against this practice.
Wait! There is a law against it but I guess when it comes to national security laws do not apply. :hmm:

+1

As if the authors of DHS's RFQ didn't know months ago when the dates of the two political conventions and the 2013 inaugural would be... ?! :uhh:
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Re: DHS Prepares for Civil Unrest...

Sun, 29 Jul 2012 20:21:57 EDT

Name Game posted : Beltway Bandits ;)

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beltway_bandits

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Sun, 29 Jul 2012 20:15:00 EDT

Snowy posted :

said by Name Game:

The request gave the potential suppliers only one day to submit their proposals and a 15-day delivery requirement to Alexandria, Virginia.

Re: DHS Prepares for Civil Unrest...

Sun, 29 Jul 2012 19:43:53 EDT

Blackbird posted :

said by Name Game:

Wondered when some would pick up on that..seems others have ideas what that is all about...
»endoftheamericandream.com/archiv···-bullets

»metabunk.org/threads/599-Debunke···-America ...

[H.A.S.C. No. 108–42]
DoD SMALL-CALIBER AMMUNITION PROGRAMS AND THE ASSOCIATED INDUSTRIAL BASE

quote:
JUNE 24, 2004
STATEMENT OF MAJ. GEN. BUFORD C. BLOUNT III, ASSISTANT DEPUTY CHIEF OF STAFF, G–3, UNITED STATES ARMY
... The Department of Defense requirement for small-caliber ammunition has grown from approximately 600 million rounds in 1999 to over 1.5 billion cartridges today. And over the next five years it is projected to grow to 1.7 billion rounds annually. ... Currently, we shoot 80 percent of our small-caliber ammunition on the training ranges and in live fire exercises.

So... running the math, and assuming current DoD ammo consumption to now be all the way up to his 1.7 billion rounds (of all types) per year, over 5 years that would add to 8.5 billion rounds, compared with presumed DHS consumption of up to 0.45 billion rounds for the same time span. That breaks down to a 1:19 ratio of comparison of DHS ammo consumption to that of the entire armed forces of the United States, currently engaged in an active combat zone. Maybe it's just me, but a domestic non-military Federal agency requiring over 5% of the ammunition demands of the entire US military (engaged in a period of active combat) seems more than a little "excessive".
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