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Re: [Windows] Cannot get network shares working with Boxee Box

Tue, 31 Jul 2012 20:13:47 EDT

AngryBlakMan posted : is it possible to unplug and move stashbox so that you can directly wire it to your DLINK? at this point, the wireless adapter is in question.

the other way to test is to use a different wireless adapter on stashbox. if you have one.

Re: [Windows] Cannot get network shares working with Boxee Box

Tue, 31 Jul 2012 13:57:15 EDT

green_gh0st posted : I can't hard wire because of the distance between them. I'm also not in the financial position to get another powerline adapter at the moment. But here are the ping results:

Gary to D-Link:
53 packets, 0% loss
all 3-6ms

Gary to Linksys:
63 packets, 0% loss
all 3-5ms

Gary to Boxee:
70 packets, 1 lost, 1% loss
all 6-9 ms, one randomly timed out in the middle

Gary to Stashbox:
See picture. I did this one twice because it was so messed up the first time. The picture is from the first time.
2nd time:
61 packets, 0% loss
Min 4ms, Max 60ms, average 9ms
[att=1]

Stashbox to Gary:
53 packets, 0% loss
pings all over the map, from 4ms - 219ms

Stashbox to Linksys:
50 packets, 0% loss
mostly 1ms to 3ms, except every 6 or 7th one it would go to 12ms or so. In the middle, there was an instance of <1ms, but the next one was 1848ms

Stashbox to D-Link:
61 packets, 0% loss
all 1-3ms, except a random 430ms, a 51ms, a 10 ms, and a 14ms

Stashbox to Boxee:
(Let this one go longer since it's the important one)
140 packets, 0% loss
Min 3ms, max 239ms, average 8ms

Re: [Windows] Cannot get network shares working with Boxee Box

Tue, 31 Jul 2012 12:41:12 EDT

AngryBlakMan posted : yeah, i should have said to ping devices for about a minute using "ping xxx -t". you press control+c to end the continuous ping and see the results.

said by bdnhsv:

hard wire your stashbox to your router and try your tests again?

yup yup yup

that latency you're seeing is why your videos are stuttering

Re: [Windows] Cannot get network shares working with Boxee Box

Tue, 31 Jul 2012 12:35:29 EDT

bdnhsv posted : 4 packets is probably not enough to properly diagnose what's happening, but even so I see a huge difference in your results from all other devices compared to communications with your stashbox. Can you hard wire your stashbox to your router and try your tests again?

Re: [Windows] Cannot get network shares working with Boxee Box

Tue, 31 Jul 2012 12:09:59 EDT

green_gh0st posted : Here is the rundown of what I got (btw Stashbox is the wireless computer which the media is coming from):

Gary to D-Link:
4 packets, 0% loss
58ms, 4ms, 4ms, and 4ms

Gary to Linksys:
4 packets, 0% loss
5ms, 31ms, 4ms, and 3ms

Gary to Boxee:
4 packets, 0% loss
11ms, 14ms, 9ms, and 5ms

Gary to Stashbox:
4 packets, 0%
7ms, 3ms, 3ms, and 3ms

Stashbox to Gary:
4 packets, 25% loss
3686ms, 3543ms, and 2160ms

Stashbox to Linksys:
0% loss
1163ms, 869ms, 567ms, and 543ms

Stashbox to D-Link:
0% loss
183ms, 428ms, 129ms, and 20ms

Stashbox to Boxee:
0% loss
729ms, 8ms, 1162ms, and 19ms
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Re: [Windows] Cannot get network shares working with Boxee Box

Sun, 29 Jul 2012 21:32:46 EDT

AngryBlakMan posted : the first thing to do is to figure out if/where the latency becomes the biggest issue.

using your network map, id start with "gary". ping the linksys continually (ping xxx -t, control+c to stop and see results). if everything is optimal, very, very, very few packets should drop (interference may claim some) and your pings should average 1 to 2 ms. if this isn't happening between gary and the linksys, test from another wireless workstation to make sure it isn't just gary's problem.

if you're getting low pings and few (VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY FEW) timeouts, your wireless router and its configuration are good to go. then start testing the next device in the route. do a continuous ping on the dlink. since it's wired to the linksys, there shouldn't be much difference in the pings, but it's still necessary to test. finally, if things remain optimal, ping the boxee (which i assume is hosting the files). the key is that all these pings need to show you that the path is not showing signs of latency.

hows it look?

Re: [Windows] Cannot get network shares working with Boxee Box

Sun, 29 Jul 2012 19:08:57 EDT

green_gh0st posted : Yes, it is still stuttering after I turn off torrents and whatnot. The computer that the files are coming from is wireless, so that means that it's MAXIMUM 54mbps speed, not accounting for what other bits of traffic might be coming from that computer.
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Re: [Windows] Cannot get network shares working with Boxee Box

Sat, 28 Jul 2012 18:17:12 EDT

AngryBlakMan posted : so then turn off the torrents and play video. does it stutter? if so, it's not the torrent.

also, those torrents cant possibly eat up all your LAN bandwidth. you need to dissociate your internet traffic with your LAN traffic. focus on your lan. assuming you have 3 MBps of torrent activity on your lan, on a 100Mbps pipe, that only takes up maybe 1/4 of the pipe. that's does not congestion make.

Re: [Windows] Cannot get network shares working with Boxee Box

Sat, 28 Jul 2012 18:00:29 EDT

bdnhsv posted : It sounds like you'll need to figure out all the major protocols running in your LAN and decide how to prioritize them. Do you have questions as to how to discover the protocols in your local network?

Re: [Windows] Cannot get network shares working with Boxee Box

Sat, 28 Jul 2012 17:56:16 EDT

green_gh0st posted : I do believe it has something to do with torrents. I also use other applications which use idle internet time like BOINC and whatnot.
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Re: [Windows] Cannot get network shares working with Boxee Box

Sat, 28 Jul 2012 17:38:58 EDT

AngryBlakMan posted : before you screw around with all that, you need to ask yourself: is your stuttering occuring because other computers on your network are eating up LAN (not internet) bandwidth?

if you still get stuttering when nothing else is using the LAN, your problem isn't because of QOS. people use QOS primarily to make sure traffic aimed at the internet gets prioritized.

Re: [Windows] Cannot get network shares working with Boxee Box

Sat, 28 Jul 2012 17:14:06 EDT

green_gh0st posted : I attached a screen cap of the QoS tab of the D-Link. I can't figure out what to put where, except for the port numbers. It seems it's designed to prioritize traffic to and from outside the network. What numbers do I put where, and would I have to do this for the Linksys router too?
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D-Link QoS

Re: [Windows] Cannot get network shares working with Boxee Box

Sat, 28 Jul 2012 09:54:14 EDT

AngryBlakMan posted : i get stuttering a lot too. it angers me so much. but i think it's an interference issue..

if you think the stuttering it's because of network congestion because you know that other things on your network are eating up a lot of bandwidth at the same time youre watching videos, then QOS is appropriate and can help you prioritize the traffic.

according to the manual for your dlink beast, you'd have to first prioritize traffic based on a "queue importance" setup that you define and then you prioritize traffic based on the protocol itself.

since all your boxee stuff is running on SMB, you'd have to prioritize UDP ports 137, 138 & TCP ports 137, 139 to whichever queue has the highest priority that you created.

Re: [Windows] Cannot get network shares working with Boxee Box

Sat, 28 Jul 2012 01:00:18 EDT

green_gh0st posted : Oh, one more question. Can anyone tell me how to prioritize Boxee sharing traffic over my network? I find it stutters a lot while I am trying to watch something. I can figure out how to do it for things trying to communicate with outside the network, but not devices communicating on the network itself.
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Re: [Windows] Cannot get network shares working with Boxee Box

Sat, 28 Jul 2012 00:58:55 EDT

green_gh0st posted : Yea, I tried contacting their support about this issue. The only thing they said, literally, was that "if SMB is enabled in your Boxee settings, than your setup won't work, sorry for the inconvenience". Instead of helping me make the thing work, they basically said "sucks for you, but we already have your money".
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Re: [Windows] Cannot get network shares working with Boxee Box

Fri, 27 Jul 2012 22:38:42 EDT

AngryBlakMan posted : speaking of boxee, i have one as well. check this thread out:

»jira.boxee.tv/browse/BOXEE-7701?···nt-62385

do not buy boxee. they don't give a sh!t.

Re: [Windows] Cannot get network shares working with Boxee Box

Fri, 27 Jul 2012 22:33:25 EDT

Serbtastic posted : Thanks for the feedback, good to know everything is now working. Often times, the OP never posts back once everything is resolved.

Re: [Windows] Cannot get network shares working with Boxee Box

Fri, 27 Jul 2012 20:07:44 EDT

bdnhsv posted : good deal - glad it worked for you. If you have any other questions or issues please let us know.

Re: [Windows] Cannot get network shares working with Boxee Box

Fri, 27 Jul 2012 20:05:05 EDT

green_gh0st posted : YAY!!! It all worked. I did all of those things, along with what I did before, and now I can access stuff from my Boxee Box! Thanks guys :-D
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Re: [Windows] Cannot get network shares working with Boxee Box

Fri, 27 Jul 2012 19:45:43 EDT

bdnhsv posted : I just had one of those of wow moments. Is there any reason you need the Dlink router? What if you just had the linksys and it served as your router and WAP (including DHCP)? Is that an option or is there some other reason why you need both the Dlink and the Linksys?

Re: [Windows] Cannot get network shares working with Boxee Box

Fri, 27 Jul 2012 19:40:43 EDT

bdnhsv posted : ok - and the linksys is 192.168.0.2 / 255.255.255.0 with g/w of 192.168.0.1? as well as Gary having having 255.255.255.0 and g/w 192.168.0.1? Also, are you connected from the Dlink to the Linksys from LAN port to LAN port, and have DHCP off in the Linksys (aka bridge mode)? I'm trying to understand how you are still able to access the internet but not the Dlink router interface.

Re: [Windows] Cannot get network shares working with Boxee Box

Fri, 27 Jul 2012 19:34:07 EDT

green_gh0st posted : I am using Gary, the laptop, and the IP is now 192.168.0.121. I rebooted both routers, but it still cannot access the D-Link router web config.
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Re: [Windows] Cannot get network shares working with Boxee Box

Fri, 27 Jul 2012 19:28:04 EDT

bdnhsv posted : which computer are you using and what is it's current IP settings? After you change all these things you might have to reboot the devices.

Re: [Windows] Cannot get network shares working with Boxee Box

Fri, 27 Jul 2012 19:23:59 EDT

green_gh0st posted : I did all that, but now I cannot access the web interface for the D-Link router for some reason. I type the IP address for it, and it just hangs and then says it could not connect. wtf
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Re: [Windows] Cannot get network shares working with Boxee Box

Fri, 27 Jul 2012 19:00:03 EDT

bdnhsv posted : Nice job on the diagram. So you have .224 for your WAN subnet mask - do you have 30 public IP's? If so, would you like to use any of those inside your network?

Re: [Windows] Cannot get network shares working with Boxee Box

Fri, 27 Jul 2012 18:55:59 EDT

Serbtastic posted : Change the following (all with 255.255.255.0 subnet mask / 192.168.0.1 gateway address):

Linksys - 192.168.0.2
Boxee -192.168.0.104
Xbox - 192.168.0.100
PS3 - leave DHCP
Netbook - leave DHCP
Gary - 192.168.0.121
Stashbox - 192.168.0.108
PS Vita - leave DHCP
iPhone - 192.168.0.117

Set your DHCP scope on the DLink to 192.168.0.50-192.168.0.99.

This should allow you to reach the web management interface on both the DLink and Linksys from ANY machine on the network. Remember, to reach the web management interface on the Linksys you'll need to use the NEW ADDRESS (192.168.0.2) after you make this change.

Re: [Windows] Cannot get network shares working with Boxee Box

Fri, 27 Jul 2012 18:44:01 EDT

green_gh0st posted : So here is the layout I have right now: »www.gliffy.com/go/publish/3761479/

I probably would need exact numbers as feedback since lastime I tried to change the IP for the Linksys, it didn't work and I lost access to the web configuration page.
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Re: [Windows] Cannot get network shares working with Boxee Box

Fri, 27 Jul 2012 13:41:33 EDT

bdnhsv posted : Sure a static route could work if the router will support it, but it seems like a complex way to accomplish what has been stated (to me anyway). Just my opinion.

Re: [Windows] Cannot get network shares working with Boxee Box

Fri, 27 Jul 2012 13:06:08 EDT

bdnhsv posted : That's a good looking tool. Thanks for sharing.

Re: [Windows] Cannot get network shares working with Boxee Box

Fri, 27 Jul 2012 13:01:13 EDT

AngryBlakMan posted :

said by bdnhsv:

I suggest you diagram it first so you can proof it to make sure it all lines up. :)

use gliffy.com. free as the dickens.

quote:
and they all need to be in the same network

not always true. this works:

»www.gliffy.com/gliffy/api/client···G&size=L

i had 10.10.10.1 and 10.10.15.1 with a static route to 10.10.15.1 on 10.10.10.1. don't ask why i did it this way. just know i had a good reason to and that the important thing is that it worked.

Re: [Windows] Cannot get network shares working with Boxee Box

Fri, 27 Jul 2012 13:00:31 EDT

AngryBlakMan posted : the problem with two routed networks is that the edge router doesn't know how to get packets back to the internal router.

you have to manually tell the edge router to pass traffic to the internal router. you do this by creating a "static route".

[att=1]

otherwise, your devices in the internal router can get out, but the stuff on the outside cant get in.

Re: [Windows] Cannot get network shares working with Boxee Box

Fri, 27 Jul 2012 12:59:20 EDT

bdnhsv posted : correction - everything should be in 192.168.0.x and use 192.168.0.1 as their gateway. That's why I suggest you diagram it first so you can proof it to make sure it all lines up. :)

Re: [Windows] Cannot get network shares working with Boxee Box

Fri, 27 Jul 2012 12:53:16 EDT

bdnhsv posted : You have several devices, and they all need to be in the same network - in your case that sounds like 192.168.0.x . Since the dlink is the router it's also the default gateway for all your devices - so everthing other than the dlink would have it's 192.168.1.x address, subnet mask equal to what you have on the drink (I'd recommend 255.255.255.0) and default gateway of 192.168.1.1. Then you'll get into what's static and what's DHCP, and make sure the static IP's are not within the DHCP range. I'd start with the Dlink (changing it's subnet mask) and work back from there. If you have some sort of diagramming software (visio, dia, etc) then I'd suggest you draw your entire network first and include the IP info so you can have it all planned out before you start. We'd all be happy to help you proof read it. Here's an example to give you an idea of th type of diagram I'm talking about.

Re: [Windows] Cannot get network shares working with Boxee Box

Fri, 27 Jul 2012 12:05:56 EDT

Serbtastic posted : Read the thread.
»Re: [Windows] Cannot get network shares working with Boxee Box

Re: [Windows] Cannot get network shares working with Boxee Box

Fri, 27 Jul 2012 10:42:10 EDT

AngryBlakMan posted :

said by green_gh0st:

I have two routers;

do they both have different network schemes? for instance, one as 192.168.1.* and the other 192.168.10.*?

Re: [Windows] Cannot get network shares working with Boxee Box

Thu, 26 Jul 2012 14:47:44 EDT

green_gh0st posted : I changed the Linksys routers IP to be 192.168.0.2. I rebooted the modem, renewed the connection on this laptop, and ended up getting limited connectivity with the laptop. I went in to the Linksys router to change the static IPs for my devices to ones that would work, and then tried to access the D-Link router to check and see if something needed to be changed in there, and couldn't access that. So I tried to reverse the process again, so I changed the Linksys router back to it's original IP. After it rebooted, I could not access anything through it, including the web interface. Since that meant I could not fix whatever the problem is, that's what I factory reset the Linksys.
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Re: [Windows] Cannot get network shares working with Boxee Box

Thu, 26 Jul 2012 14:42:31 EDT

Serbtastic posted : Why did you reset the modem? If you couldn't access the DLink? Also, was the machine you were using in the DLink IP address space? Can you share some more details?

Re: [Windows] Cannot get network shares working with Boxee Box

Thu, 26 Jul 2012 14:35:15 EDT

green_gh0st posted : Okay, I tried that, but it ended up confusing my computers. They wouldn't connect with anything but limited connectivity, and I could not access the D-Link router interface after. I went back into the D-Link router to change everything back, but could not access it's interface afterwards. I ended up having to reset the modem to factory defaults and start over. What could cause this?
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Re: [Windows] Cannot get network shares working with Boxee Box

Thu, 26 Jul 2012 09:45:39 EDT

JohnInSJ posted : That should do it, once boxee is in the same workgroup it should see the server.
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Re: [Windows] Cannot get network shares working with Boxee Box

Thu, 26 Jul 2012 08:13:11 EDT

Serbtastic posted : For home use, all computers and devices should be in the same network space (192.168.0.x/255.255.255.0 OR 192.168.1.x/255.255.255.0, NOT BOTH).

If Dlink is already 192.168.0.1, set Linksys to 192.168.0.2 and your DHCP scope to 192.168.0.100-200 (or whatever range you need). Ensure any static addresses are on the 192.168.0.x network, but are NOT within the DHCP scope and are not the same as the Dlink and Linksys.

Re: [Windows] Cannot get network shares working with Boxee Box

Wed, 25 Jul 2012 21:29:36 EDT

green_gh0st posted : Apparently I was in a workgroup already, called WORKGROUP. This is true on both of my computers. I will go and change it within the Boxee settings. What next?
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Re: [Windows] Cannot get network shares working with Boxee Box

Wed, 25 Jul 2012 21:12:24 EDT

JohnInSJ posted : Oh bad link then. Making a workgroup is easy

»windows.microsoft.com/en-us/wind···orkgroup
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Re: [Windows] Cannot get network shares working with Boxee Box

Wed, 25 Jul 2012 20:20:39 EDT

green_gh0st posted : The Boxee is 192.168.0.104, and the PC is 192.168.1.108.

I honestly didn't know there was a difference between a homegroup and a workgroup except for the name. Shows how much I know :-P How would I go about making a workgroup as opposed to a homegroup? According to those instructions, you need to join a domain, which I do not believe I have.

Re: [Windows] Cannot get network shares working with Boxee Box

Wed, 25 Jul 2012 20:15:14 EDT

JohnInSJ posted : What is the IP address of your boxee box (on your internal network) and your win7 box.

In win7, do you *have* to use homegroup, or can you use traditional workgroup file sharing? Because home group isn't gonna work for boxee.

»windows.microsoft.com/en-US/wind···tworking

FWIW, boxee box will do simple SMB file sharing with any server it can find, but it has to be straight SMB, not simple file sharing, and it has to be in the same workgroup, and on the same subnet (so the SMB browsing works)

After that, you'll find that SMB file sharing sucks for the boxee box, and you'll install NFS on your win7 box so you can use that instead. But let's get you there first.
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Re: [Windows] Cannot get network shares working with Boxee Box

Wed, 25 Jul 2012 18:26:57 EDT

green_gh0st posted : So I turned the DHCP off on my Linksys router, and it confused my computers into thinking I was on a public network or something. I also got some random weird IP address on my computers.

Would it work if I changed the Linksys router to be within the range of the D-Link router? As in change the IP of the Linksys router itself so all of the IPs are in the same range? That way I can still manage my static IPs (I just add a zero instead of a 1 to the ones on the Linksys router).

And my subnet mask is for the D-Link router is 255.255.255.224, and it's 255.255.255.0 for the Linksys router. I have 3 computers, an iPhone and other random stuff connecting through wireless (the Linksys router). I have two gaming consoles and my Boxee Box connected wired to the D-Link router.

Re: [Windows] Cannot get network shares working with Boxee Box

Wed, 25 Jul 2012 18:05:37 EDT

bdnhsv posted : If all your computers are getting IP's via DHCP then they won't have the same IP's. If you have set them statically, then you'll have to re-address the ones with static IP's in the 192.168.1.x scope. How many devices do you have in your network and what is your subnet mask (255.255.255.0) ? And I'd still connect the routers via LAN ports on each one (not the internet port on one to a LAN port on the other).

Re: [Windows] Cannot get network shares working with Boxee Box

Wed, 25 Jul 2012 17:52:43 EDT

green_gh0st posted : Will that cause any problems using things like TightVNC? Since theoretically, this computer and the other computer I use TightVNC on will have the same IP address.
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Re: [Windows] Cannot get network shares working with Boxee Box

Wed, 25 Jul 2012 17:14:37 EDT

bdnhsv posted : dlink - darned auto correct.

Re: [Windows] Cannot get network shares working with Boxee Box

Wed, 25 Jul 2012 17:14:10 EDT

bdnhsv posted : turn off dhcp in your linksys and allow the drink to provide it for all your devices. You've have 2 separate networks running, but what you want is 1.

Re: [Windows] Cannot get network shares working with Boxee Box

Wed, 25 Jul 2012 16:53:54 EDT

green_gh0st posted : The devices which connect to the Linksys router had limited connectivity when I switched the cable over to the LAN port.

The devices connected to the D-Link router have IP addresses in the 192.168.0.xxx range, and the devices connected to the Linksys are 192.168.1.xxx. Those correspond with the IP addresses of the routers themselves, which are 192.168.0.1 and 192.168.1.1 respectively.
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