Not Socialism

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pnh102 Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty Premium join:2002-05-02 Mount Airy, MD	Not Socialism quote: Aside from his disgust at the vile socialism involved in Kansas City actually working with local government to improve broadband ... First, words mean things. Socialism has a definition. What you describe here is not socialism. Second, If I recall correctly, this site reported that the local governments involved were giving Google a hard time about access to utility poles and other easements. It almost derailed the project entirely. Fortunately it seems the governments involved saw the light and got out of the way of Google. If the fact that Google was able to make it market and sell its service is a triumph of government non-interference in the broadband market, not "working with it" to make things happen. -- Romney 2012 - Put an adult in charge.
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Alex J @jillyred.net	First, words mean things. Socialism has a definition. What you describe here is not socialism. Looks like it's used in jest, since many of this country's nitwits call any attempt to improve the country's infrastructure "socialism." If I recall correctly, this site reported that the local governments involved were giving Google a hard time about access to utility poles and other easements. Actually it was a short lived debate over pole attachment rates, which was fairly quickly resolved. If the fact that Google was able to make it market and sell its service is a triumph of government non-interference in the broadband market, not "working with it" to make things happen. City leaders played a huge role, both in KC and Stanford, in getting these projects up and running. They're a great example of private/public partnerships, though I guess we each see what we want to see.
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battleop join:2005-09-28 00000	It's only socialism if the government is paying the bill. In this case it's a company footing the bill for the build out. The only real case that the telcos have on this is predatory pricing. -- I do not, have not, and will not work for AT&T/Comcast/Verizon/Charter or similar sized company.
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elios join:2005-11-15 Springfield, MO	good luck proving that they would have to admit to there duopoly in that case to prove it i dont see any thing "predatory" about googles pricing
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battleop join:2005-09-28 00000	It's not going to be that hard to prove that the pricing on the 5/1 plan is below what it costs to deliver service and designed to run any and all competing companies out of the market. -- I do not, have not, and will not work for AT&T/Comcast/Verizon/Charter or similar sized company.
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elios join:2005-11-15 Springfield, MO	all google has to say is that there bandwidth costs are next to nothing which again will look REALLY bad for AT&T and TWC
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battleop join:2005-09-28 00000	Even if bandwidth costs $0 there will always be costs associated with moving it around.
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elios join:2005-11-15 Springfield, MO	wut no theres not and im sure that would be googles plan google has its own fiber network they peer with other networks there for the costs are a wash
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battleop join:2005-09-28 00000	Routers are not free. Fiber is not free. Employees are not free. Power is not free. Servers are not free. Need I go on? -- I do not, have not, and will not work for AT&T/Comcast/Verizon/Charter or similar sized company.
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tdar join:2004-04-05 Satellite Beach, FL	reply to battleop said by battleop: It's only socialism if the government is paying the bill. In this case it's a company footing the bill for the build out. The only real case that the telcos have on this is predatory pricing. Of course that is not socialism either. Sad we do not know what words mean anymore.
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tdar join:2004-04-05 Satellite Beach, FL	reply to battleop said by battleop: Routers are not free. Fiber is not free. Employees are not free. Power is not free. Servers are not free. Need I go on? your point? None of that has anything to do with socialism. Sound like a loss leader to me.....Google it:)
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elios join:2005-11-15 Springfield, MO	reply to battleop said by battleop: Routers are not free. Fiber is not free. Employees are not free. Power is not free. Servers are not free. Need I go on? some of that is covered under the install fee the rest is covered under the 1000's of other things google does
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battleop join:2005-09-28 00000	reply to tdar Nice FAIL there on your ability to follow threads. Please show me where the following comment is related to socialism. said by battleop: Routers are not free. Fiber is not free. Employees are not free. Power is not free. Servers are not free. Need I go on? -- I do not, have not, and will not work for AT&T/Comcast/Verizon/Charter or similar sized company.
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battleop join:2005-09-28 00000	reply to elios So you agree that if AT&T or Comcast were to pick a market with a Muni network and they decide to give away free internet until that muni goes bankrupt it's perfectly OK? -- I do not, have not, and will not work for AT&T/Comcast/Verizon/Charter or similar sized company.
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elios join:2005-11-15 Springfield, MO 2 edits	yup not that they ever would any way the Telcos and Cable cos dont know what "free" means and again its not really free its 300 bucks for 7 years i dont care who offers it i dont get how offering a better product for less is bad thing seems people have forgotten what real competition is and the 5/1 is basically a 7 year contract at 3.50 a month which about it really cost its a loss leader it happens all the time or walmart would be been shut down years ago oh and 5/1 is to slow for me even free wouldnt make me jump to it if they suddenly offered 1000/1000 for free you bet your ass id take it
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battleop join:2005-09-28 00000	I am sure of one thing. There is no possible way in the world that it costs 3.50/mo or $300/7 years to deliver any amount of bandwidth. -- I do not, have not, and will not work for AT&T/Comcast/Verizon/Charter or similar sized company.
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