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itguy05

join:2005-06-17
Carlisle, PA

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reply to mastsethi

Re: Why do you hate Microsoft

said by mastsethi:

I find people everywhere bashing Microsoft for no reason or because of irrelevant reasons. Why the hell is that?
It's a shit trend. MS is not Justin Beiber!

Simple - because they are a Scumbag company.... Read some of the documents from the Antirust trial about how they forced out competition in the OS, Office, and Internet markets. Really some eye opening stuff as to how they really screwed us computer users over back in the day (and still do today).

It also wasn't until I branched out into Linux and OS X that I realized just how poor Microsoft's offerings are from a technical (and aesthetic) point of view.

Registry? Why put all your config stuff into a horrible database that is hard to use and understand? May have made some sense back in the day but config files are much easier to do.

DLLs? really? Why not self contained apps (like OS X) that has everything you need for them right in it.

Whoever designed Vista/Windows 7 with it's overuse of transparency really screwed the pooch. Hard to use and very visually distracting.

There's a lot of other stuff not to like about Microsoft. I've hated them since before it was cool to hate them.


jabarnut
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reply to mastsethi

Perhaps I spoke a little too early in this thread...Microsoft Bashing may still be alive and well after all.
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reply to thegeek

said by thegeek:

I don't hate Microsoft.

Neither do I, I dislike some of their software decisions/prices, but for the most part I like the company.
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itguy05

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reply to jabarnut

said by jabarnut:

Perhaps I spoke a little too early in this thread...Microsoft Bashing may still be alive and well after all.

Why? Cause I actually did the research and found out they are a company I would rather not do business with? Cause I tried alternatives and found them to be superior?


jabarnut
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Hey..no problem. What ever floats your boat. I happen to like a lot of Microsoft products (both software and hardware), but if some people don't, that's fine with me.
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reply to mastsethi

I think I'm on the "I don't hate MS, but I don't love MS" bandwagon. They make good products that fit in well in a lot of situations. I'm more of a linux fan myself because I'm the kind of person that likes to tear things about and see how they work. I also write software as a hobby so I do enjoy a linux environment for that reason.

I guess if I were to list the things I do not like about MS:
- They seem to have a "our way or the highway" mentality when it comes to their product development. I personally can't stand the UI/UX of Win 8, but there really isn't a way to get it to feel like Win 7 that I'm aware of.

- They seem to be a bit greedy. They have been getting a little bit better though. If I wanted to upgrade my OS from XP to 7, in the past it would require at least $100 in software upgrades. The $35 to Win 8 program is neat. Who can really complain about the low prce.

- As it's been said before, they seem to want to know a little too much information about their user base in my opinion. If I use core software like an OS, I would rather use something that isn't really information hungry. Windows activation is a perfect example of being information hungry.

So, not a huge fan, but not a hater either.


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reply to mastsethi

Overall, I like MS's products. Their licensing can be arcane, and I have serious questions about some of their design choices, but I have no desire to switch to any other OS or any other productivity software.



jabarnut
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reply to mastsethi

One thing I've always found interesting in the past (with a few exceptions, of course), is that people continue to use a Microsoft OS, in order to constantly rant about Microsoft. Go figure.
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reply to Soho97UK

said by Soho97UK:

Microsoft have had a tendency to play dirty in the past and abuse their virtual monopoly postion - hence the antitrust case amongst other things.

That's my only complaint. They killed Netscape by dragging their feet in court until irreparable damage was already done, despite Internet Explorer NEVER being a better browser. I can't really blame Microsoft though. They do what's in their power to maximize profits just like every other company. It's more a flaw in our slow justice system. The punishment clearly wasn't a deterrent either since they've pulled similar tricks since then.


bitemeboy

join:2005-04-06
Otego, NY
reply to mastsethi

Microsoft does not exist since I have none of their products on my computers.



mastsethi

join:2012-05-26
reply to mastsethi

We may criticize all we like but it makes little sense hating MS cause at the end of the day, we use a windows powered pc. And hopefully a win 8 powered tablet in the coming months.



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reply to thegeek

said by thegeek:

I don't hate Microsoft.

I just think they're much like any other company that's capable of mistakes (ie. Vista). I have yet to see a company that always operates in a flawless manner.


Thaler
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reply to ctggzg

said by ctggzg:

That's my only complaint. They killed Netscape by dragging their feet in court until irreparable damage was already done, despite Internet Explorer NEVER being a better browser. I can't really blame Microsoft though. They do what's in their power to maximize profits just like every other company.

Case in point, Apple vs. Samsung. I'm not saying one makes a better product than another, but using frivolous lawsuits to prevent the free market from doing it's thing is pretty lame.


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reply to bitemeboy

said by bitemeboy:

Microsoft does not exist since I have none of their products on my computers.

I suppose you've also never used any ATMs, arcade games, self-serve terminals (like airport check-in), or looked at any electronic billboards?


Thaler
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Yeah, I know an airport's running Windows when the arrivals/departures monitor is featuring a BSOD.



Cheese
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reply to mastsethi

They are Apple fanbois?



Cheese
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reply to itguy05

said by itguy05:

said by mastsethi:

I find people everywhere bashing Microsoft for no reason or because of irrelevant reasons. Why the hell is that?
It's a shit trend. MS is not Justin Beiber!

Read some of the documents from the Antirust trial about how they forced out competition in the OS, Office, and Internet markets.

Really? I see other OS in the market, not sure what you mean the "internet market" as they are a software company. And Office? They make Office?

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reply to PhoenixDown

said by PhoenixDown:

I like MS but I think they don't always see the larger picture as far as interoperability between their products lines are concerned. And some product lines are awesome (Office) and others are just disappointing.

That's because a huge company actually acts like a whole mess of unrelated companies. You simply can't coordinate an entity that big.

If your job is shipping the next version of Windows, you aren't likely to give a crap about what the developers on MS Trivial Crap v3.5 are up to. And perhaps the developers on MS Trivial Crap don't have a whole lot of expertise. The rest follows from all that.

There is no single "they" there.

itguy05

join:2005-06-17
Carlisle, PA
reply to mastsethi

said by mastsethi:

We may criticize all we like but it makes little sense hating MS cause at the end of the day, we use a windows powered pc. And hopefully a win 8 powered tablet in the coming months.

Nope, not here. By day I'm a Linux admin and run RHEL 6 and by night I use OSX. No interest or care what MS does on the OS side other than they are slowly loosing market share.

itguy05

join:2005-06-17
Carlisle, PA
reply to Thaler

said by Thaler:

Case in point, Apple vs. Samsung. I'm not saying one makes a better product than another, but using frivolous lawsuits to prevent the free market from doing it's thing is pretty lame.

Why is defending what you created a bad thing? When I was shopping for an Android phone back in 2010 to replace my iPhone, I looked at Samsung's offering. Looked like an exact copy of the iPhone. Mthe layout was similar, the icons were pretty much copies, etc. even my wife commented how iPhone like it was. Even Google warned Samsung they were copying Apple.

I cant stand fakes and knock offs. Which is why I'll never own a replica, a pair of Skechers shoes (another company that rips off other designs), etc. I'd rather own the real thing and reward those that take the risks, not the cowards that copy them.

If you don't agree then get them to reform the patent system so you can't patent software or design. But don't be upset at a company who has a valid patent (and uses it) that defends that patent.

itguy05

join:2005-06-17
Carlisle, PA
reply to Cheese

said by Cheese:

said by itguy05:

said by mastsethi:

I find people everywhere bashing Microsoft for no reason or because of irrelevant reasons. Why the hell is that?
It's a shit trend. MS is not Justin Beiber!

Read some of the documents from the Antirust trial about how they forced out competition in the OS, Office, and Internet markets.

Really? I see other OS in the market, not sure what you mean the "internet market" as they are a software company. And Office? They make Office?

You know what I meant. They pretty much killed Netscape because of their illegal tactics, they used illegal tying to get Office to where it is now, and made it impossible for other OSs to get in the door.

Read the antitrust documents and see how MS illegally got to where they are.

IMHO they are a blight on the entire industry and should have been broken up in the 90's.
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Cheese
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reply to itguy05

Re: Why do you hate Microsoft

said by itguy05:

You know what I meant. They pretty much killed Netscape because of their illegal tactics, they used illegal tying to get Office to where it is now, and made it impossible for other OSs to get in the door.

Read the antitrust documents and see how MS illegally got to where they are.

IMHO they are a blight on the entire industry and should have been broken up in the 90's.


Oedipus

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reply to itguy05

said by itguy05:

You know what I meant. They pretty much killed Netscape because of their illegal tactics, they used illegal tying to get Office to where it is now, and made it impossible for other OSs to get in the door.

Read the antitrust documents and see how MS illegally got to where they are.

IMHO they are a blight on the entire industry and should have been broken up in the 90's.

Inexplicably, sour grapes.


Thaler
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reply to itguy05

said by itguy05:

said by Thaler:

Case in point, Apple vs. Samsung. I'm not saying one makes a better product than another, but using frivolous lawsuits to prevent the free market from doing it's thing is pretty lame.

Why is defending what you created a bad thing?

So, when Microsoft encourages a monopolistic market, they're bad guys. When Apple does the exact same thing, they're just defending their product. Yeah, that's not a double standard at all.


Cheese
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reply to itguy05

Except, Apple didn't "create" the phone, the took existing technologies, just like everyone else, and packaged them up, again, just like everyone else.

The lawsuits are a complete joke, they are trying to ban the competition.


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reply to mastsethi

I hate on anything that seems to never fully deliver quality.

I am not an Apple fan they are too expensive and not a Linux fan, as they are took geeky.

I use MS, but I don't 'like' them just because I am using them. Necessary evil is all MS is to me.

It's like hating the Dems or Reps or for Canadians the Libs or PCs.

Its like hating Bell Canada AND the cable operations out there.

It's like hating big box and made in China.

I will hate MS until they finally realize every other software maker calls them 'patches' that are free when all they have done is fix a screw up. They release Vista, and a buggered mess it is. They have some nerve selling it as 7 and pretending it isn't a patch.

Yes we have heard how ole Bill is such a stupenduously generous man donating all that money, money took from people over and over and over and over and over instead of just releasing patches like everyone else has to.
He didn't donate his money, he donated OUR money.

If Bill wants to truely impress me, he will consider his Windows program a free download, and settle for employing people in service. It's alas a vital program, one we really can barely avoid. I'm tired though of him walking around the mega billionaire charity all because he's screwed us out of so much money for so many years.


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reply to mastsethi

I don't hate Microsoft. I recognize that it's a plague on the industry - sort of a giant parasite retarding human progress.

Microsoft buys, steals or imitates all its software. The only thing it's good at is lock-in tricks. Because of lock-in and OEM deals, it's always easier to buy more Microsoft products than switch to something else.

Software shouldn't be copyrightable. Then it would be a profession instead of a product. Everyone would build on a common pool of software and it would improve like other arts and sciences.



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reply to Dude111

Re:  

said by Dude111:

1) They have become VERY INTRUSIVE into peoples lives....

It's true. I read on a Microsoft forum that they rolled out an update to Windows Live Mail, the spiritual successor to Outlook Express, that forces people to sign up for Windows Live Mail if they use attachments despite the fact they're using the program with their own pop/smtp service.

That coupled with a new OS that's terrible with touch + mouse + keyboard, compared to the way people have been using Windows for the past 17 years.

Their new Microsoft Office focuses on the following four major points:

- Office at Its Best on Windows 8
- Office Is in the Cloud
- Office Is Social
- Office Unlocks New Scenarios

Wow. None of those points mean anything to me...

No improvements to any of the programs, it just looks better on Windows 8, your files are automatically synchronized with programs you can already download, Skype is integrated and you 'unlock new scenarios' with touch.

That and they've eliminated Microsoft Windows Small Business Server, so if any service providers have had their clients on an upgrade path since 1999 that included Exchange and SQL, "sorry clients, what you've been doing for years has been discontinued and you need to spend a few thousand more to do it".

Since Gates left the company, they've been on a downward spiral that seems to be more about monetizing on fads rather than receiving fair compensation for producing software that improves our lives.

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reply to mastsethi

Re: Why do you hate Microsoft

Personally, I get upset with them from time to time, but wouldn't call it hate.

The whole anti-trust thing from "back in the day" was a mess.

Funny how the Europeans eventually got a special version of Windows 7 without IE, (well, I think it's technically "a browser choice") but nobody else can get this "special" edition of Windows.

Internet Explorer becoming "integrated" (not simply "included") with the OS was probably the single biggest issue I have had with Microsoft. It was a terrible idea, and all they got was a slap on the wrist - nothing changed.

"...the two were now the same product and were inextricably linked together..."
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Sta···icrosoft

The worst part is that so many people misunderstand and underestimate the impact of the integration, and the methods by which they did this. Nobody cares, or cared, that they included IE. The problem was with how they went about tying it so closely to the operating system, which was not needed.

Just for the sake of argument - how many security issues have been related to IE/ActiveX over the years, that also affect or relate directly to the OS itself???

Couple other things that've irked me over the years...
-DRM integration with the OS (Vista/7/8). Though, to be fair, it isn't entirely their fault; pressure came from elsewhere..
-"Stealth update" fiasco back in about 2007 was also very shady. Even with updates set to "never," it (a background service) went ahead and nearly rebooted a machine I was trusting to run without interruption for a project. Not at all cool, but I got over it eventually.