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Re: Revolution (NBC, Sept 17)

Wed, 28 Nov 2012 10:10:56 EDT

Octavean posted : LOL, “Charlie Company“,….I like that,... ;)

I was thinking the $fontbg gun was sabotaged by a Georgian spy within the Monroe Militia’s ranks but who knows,….

One thing I think is worth noting is that the power amplifier seems to create a field or area in which devices that require power can operate. If anything within the field is operational this then goes both ways without discrimination with respect to what side is trying to use machinery of war.

Therefore, if the Monroe Militia wishes to attack Georgia and Georgia were privy to the attack plan through a Georgian spy,…the Georgia Militia could amass weapons of war (that require power) and wait for the Monroe Militia to bring the power source to the battlefield.

Monroe has an advantage in controlling the power source but he has limited control over it. The power can be on, off or mobile but it doesn’t work just for his forces. $Fontbg

Re: Revolution (NBC, Sept 17)

Wed, 28 Nov 2012 09:28:25 EDT

rlt2562 posted : Myles' last friend in Philly or possibly an escaped Grace is $fontbg piloting the chopper, and will swoop down to rescue them $Fontbg. ;)

A long-shot for either, but we'll see...
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Re: Revolution (NBC, Sept 17)

Wed, 28 Nov 2012 08:55:03 EDT

Octavean posted : I’m really starting to see Star Wars references all over the place in this show now. Not sure if its my imagination or if they are really there.

Re: Revolution (NBC, Sept 17)

Tue, 27 Nov 2012 23:22:09 EDT

Voxxjin posted : Yeah I had the same feeling after mommy and strausser (I keep wanting to call him schnauzer) fight.

$fontbg and lighting a fuse with flint and steel can't be too easy...also very interesting way to place the pipe bombs. :huh: $Fontbg
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Re: Revolution (NBC, Sept 17)

Tue, 27 Nov 2012 17:24:34 EDT

Spice300 posted : Concerning Revolution s1e10 Nobody's Fault But Mine:

It went pretty much the way I expected except Grace $fontbg did not come to the rescue. Perhaps they are saving energized battles for next year when the series resumes. My guess is that the Gatling gun on the Huey will be unloaded, will jam or the pilot's aim will be atrocious. Naturally Charlie Company stands still in the open field gawking at the helicopter instead of running for the trees. Mommy Mathasen somehow kills Strausser but does not bother to destroy the amplifier nor take the pendant. How stupid are these people! The writers could have at least had the Monroe Militia do something to prevent her from destroying or taking it. $Fontbg Noooo, instead it's predictably Mommy forgets.

Re: Revolution (NBC, Sept 17)

Tue, 20 Nov 2012 21:23:36 EDT

Octavean posted : Led Zeppelin is too good for this show.

Re: Revolution (NBC, Sept 17)

Tue, 20 Nov 2012 18:08:15 EDT

Spice300 posted : S1e09 Kashmir, featured hallucinations instead of flashbacks which was not an improvement. I see that the resistance is just a bunch of expendable buffoons to be predictably killed off in each episode. The writers could have done so much better. $fontbg Charlie Gang "needed" the resistance to get into Philadelphia, but all of them were dead before they got out of the tunnel from their own bullets. The resistance's help was unnecessary. They just used up the oxygen faster. $Fontbg

Monroe does not need Charlie's mom. $fontbg Based on the preview of the next episode, the man she killed already made an amplifier for Monroe. $Fontbg
The overall plot for future episodes is fairly easy to guess. Charlie Gang will rescue the family using some implausible plan, fail to kill Monroe, Grace will probably stop his energized army and the Monroe Militia will unsuccessfully hunt for Charlie Gang while killing members of the resistance. The militia might capture a member of Charlie Gang who they have to rescue again. The hunt for how to turn the power back on will be without end. The writers do not have the creativity to do better.

Re: Revolution (NBC, Sept 17)

Tue, 20 Nov 2012 14:16:42 EDT

Rook008 posted : I was just about to go through the posts for the last 3 weeks or so to see if the show has improved any, and if so, I would catch up on the episodes I missed.

I guess I won't bother.
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Re: Revolution (NBC, Sept 17)

Tue, 20 Nov 2012 13:10:37 EDT

Draiman posted : I think I made it to the 4th episode before I quit watching. Judging by the posts it doesn't sound like the show improved any since either.

Re: Revolution (NBC, Sept 17)

Tue, 20 Nov 2012 00:04:08 EDT

Voxxjin posted : An ehh episode for me tonight. Didn't dig the hallucinations,,,even if LZ was playing in the background. For me the best part was the end of the episode with Charlie's mom. $fontbg "now you need me" $Fontbg

Other items: $fontbg is it me or did the air seems to run out of the tunnel pretty fast considering how big the tunnel was?.

Maybe next week we will see what Randall wants Grace to do.

And based upon previews of the next episode, makes me wonder where the show goes from here...assuming they get Ben and get out. $Fontbg
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Re: Pendant Tracking System

Thu, 15 Nov 2012 20:58:33 EDT

Omega posted :

said by Spice300:

A tracking system that covers a continent suggests that it uses a functioning satellite. Maybe the U.S. military made a shielded satellite, or satellites lie outside of the suppression field.

Would GPS function if the receiver on the ground functions?

After 15 years without any replacements being launched, would GPS satellites still be operational?

Yes. Our current GPS constellation is years, if not decades old. The satellites would still work, not all of them though. However they would not be accurate, they need to be maintained on a constant basis.
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Re: Pendant Tracking System

Thu, 15 Nov 2012 17:59:49 EDT

Spice300 posted : A tracking system that covers a continent suggests that it uses a functioning satellite. Maybe the U.S. military made a shielded satellite, or satellites lie outside of the suppression field.

Would GPS function if the receiver on the ground functions?

After 15 years without any replacements being launched, would GPS satellites still be operational?

Re: Pendant Tracking System

Thu, 15 Nov 2012 01:03:47 EDT

TwiztedZero posted :

said by Voxxjin:

Thanks for the pics. I wonder what the icons at the top of the page do?

I highly doubt they do anything, a pseudo GUI for tee vee :p
basically a prop like anything else in sci fi imagery.

Some outputs on programs are taken from hacked together snippets from actual computer programs like in the Matrix for example they used Nmap in a scene with Trinity.

Earlier in Revolution they used a Korn shell on the old MicroATX computer when Grace first showed us the amulet's powering features so she could go online, and later on when she announced "Randall's here." onscreen a few episodes back.
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Re: Pendant Tracking System

Wed, 14 Nov 2012 22:59:27 EDT

Voxxjin posted : Thanks for the pics. I wonder what the icons at the top of the page do?

Hmmm I wonder if Ben's pendant being active and the only one listed as model C mean anything. I also wonder if the creator even put that much thought into it or he just made up something completely random.

And based upon your reasoning the other five pendants are either off the map (another country), in an area where it cannot give off a signal or destroyed.

Hmmm with this computer mapping, makes you wonder why randall didn't get them all back since then.
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Pendant Tracking System

Wed, 14 Nov 2012 22:09:44 EDT

Spice300 posted : Here is a screen capture from Revolution s1e08 Ties that Bind:

[Attachment=1]

Here is a capture with more resolution. The "Usage Data" is different between the images.
[Attachment=2]

There are 7 pendants on the screen, 4 in the Monroe Republic, 1 in Georgia Federation, 1 in Texas and 1 in the Plains Nation. There are none in the California Commonwealth nor in the Wasteland. The identifying numbers in the map are formatted like the Social Security Numbers of the people to whom they were originally assigned.

ID's of the pendants on the map and their approximate locations:
Monroe Republic:
The east side of the Monroe Republic appears to be the Mississippi River.
564.24.7425 Springfield, Illinois
644.74.1784 south of Milwaukee, Wisconsin
755.79.4343 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
995.34.1163 southeast of Saint Louis, Missouri, in Illinois

Georgia Federation:
633.42.1405 west of Charleston, South Carolina

Texas:
192.16.3774 Wichita Falls, Texas

Plains Nation
274.23.8235 near Lusk, Wyoming

We know from the plot that Ben Matheson's pendant is in Philadelphia, so its ID is 755.79.4343. Because Grace Beaumont lived in the area of west of Chicago, her pendant might be the ones in Illinois or Wisconsin and might indicate the present location of Randall and Grace. We do not know how far they traveled from her house to Randall's facility.

In the lower right corner the status of 7 pendants is displayed, 6 inactive and 1 active. I assume that "active" means that is it making electricity function in its vicinity. The numbers in this status display are not the same as the ones in the map, but the active one is similar to Ben Matheson's pendant with the two middle digits, "79," missing.

#6334547 Model A inactive
#7554343 Model C active
#3534793 Model A inactive
#1425342 Model A inactive
#6634632 Model A inactive
#2346894 Model B inactive
#1204632 Model B inactive

Re: Revolution (NBC, Sept 17)

Wed, 14 Nov 2012 22:06:58 EDT

TwiztedZero posted : Somehow that "machine" where Randall & Grace is kinda resembles a large hadron collider, eh? So maybe this is a sci fi variation on the concept since it deals with electromagnetic force so not a stretch it'd affect electricity. Maybe I'm overthinking this, but thats what came to mind for me when I watched the last episode.
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Re: Revolution (NBC, Sept 17)

Wed, 14 Nov 2012 20:27:53 EDT

Spice300 posted : Yes, I think all of the republics are led by warlords. Monroe described the Georgia one as fighting with sticks and stones.

Randall is the government guy, and I suspect he is responsible for deactivating/suppressing electrical power.

Re: Revolution (NBC, Sept 17)

Wed, 14 Nov 2012 09:30:29 EDT

Voxxjin posted : First regarding the last episode $fontbg where would randall be? Some sort of secret base but who is in control of it? What is it's power(s). So far we have only seen him and Grace there how many others occupy that base. And he said Grace would take care of that, I assume he means by actrivating some sort of weapon that they were looking at? $Fontbg Hopefully we will know more in the near future.

Other items:$fontbg In randall's lair, on the giant map, it appears he can track the location of each pendant. In the lower right, it appeared to list the pendants and most were marked as inactive. $Fontbg

Randall talked about sending the one kid to california on a diplomatic mission but it was mentioned that their people don't always come back alive. Do you think all of these republics are warlord/dictator type countries?
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Re: Revolution (NBC, Sept 17)

Tue, 13 Nov 2012 16:58:21 EDT

Spice300 posted : Concerning s1e08 Ties that Bind.

$fontbg My guess about the function of the machine that Rachel Matheson is constructing is that it turns the power on and keeps it on. The pendant is required to activate it. Rachel will sacrifice anyone and any number of people to get what she wants. How many millions will this evil scientist sacrifice for her microworld? It looks like an energized war is brewing between or among the Monroe Militia, Grace Beaumont and maybe Randall. $Fontbg I want Charlie's mom to die more than Charlie in the upcoming battle.

My guess is that the machine that $fontbg Randall showed Grace turns electrical power on and keeps it on too. Big power activating machine with amateur strategy versus little power activating machine with clever strategy. Monroe does not foresee the battle that awaits him. $Fontbg

Re: Revolution (NBC, Sept 17)

Wed, 07 Nov 2012 03:34:19 EDT

Alpha Phoenix posted : Yeah, the hairless Ewoks comment had me dying.

He did take out 2 guys all by himself tonight, and the drug lord from the week before. So that's something.... Charlie however really need to get killed. I really can't stand her. :uhh:
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Re: Revolution (NBC, Sept 17)

Tue, 06 Nov 2012 12:35:46 EDT

Alcohol posted :

said by Octavean:

I agree but only to a point. I actually lost respect for the guy because he left his Wife.

We'll probably see the Wife again,…

He left his wife for no reason. I still don't get his logic. Why risk being by yourself (you cant protect yourself either) instead of in a protected group of people that you can trust. I couldnt protect you shouldnt translate to fuck off im gonna go die alone.
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Re: Revolution (NBC, Sept 17)

Tue, 06 Nov 2012 12:00:21 EDT

Voxxjin posted : Last night's episode provided some more background on what happened. So it is some sort of device that sucks up or interferes with power.

We know who Randall is now. From the first encounter with him (back when he came for Grace, I thought he would be a big guy (like Jason from the Friday the 13th movies) the way he bashed in the door. I wonder who he works for now and where he and Grace are.
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Re: Revolution (NBC, Sept 17)

Tue, 06 Nov 2012 11:38:52 EDT

Octavean posted : I agree but only to a point. I actually lost respect for the guy because he left his Wife.

We'll probably see the Wife again,…

Re: Revolution (NBC, Sept 17)

Tue, 06 Nov 2012 00:17:40 EDT

Voxxjin posted :

said by Alcohol:

I don't get it. Why didn't he stay with the click and be in the same group? Just cause he couldn't protect her didn't mean he had to leave.

I think he felt like a loser and probably just kept beting himself up with the fact he couldn't do anything. Probably felt it was better for her (and the group) if he left. That's how I see it. Why he didn't try to learn or train from another guy, idk.

While he really bugged me the first few episodes, I find myself liking him more and more. He is growing a spine. And he is making some amusing remarks such as the comment about a pack of hairless ewoks.
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Re: Revolution (NBC, Sept 17)

Mon, 05 Nov 2012 23:53:39 EDT

Alcohol posted :

said by Voxxjin:

said by Packeteers:

this episode does little to move the main story line along

Yeah didn't advance the main story much. But you do learn more about Aaron and his back story and his choices that lead him to this episode.

I don't get it. Why didn't he stay with the click and be in the same group? Just cause he couldn't protect her didn't mean he had to leave.
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Re: Revolution (NBC, Sept 17)

Mon, 05 Nov 2012 14:00:39 EDT

Octavean posted : LOL, he pulled a Lando Calrissian,.... ;)

Re: Revolution (NBC, Sept 17)

Thu, 01 Nov 2012 10:42:02 EDT

Voxxjin posted :

said by Packeteers:

this episode does little to move the main story line along

Yeah didn't advance the main story much. But you do learn more about Aaron and his back story and his choices that lead him to this episode.
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Re: Revolution (NBC, Sept 17)

Tue, 30 Oct 2012 20:30:24 EDT

Packeteers posted : yeah, it's already on torrent and this episode does little to move the main story line along which i found and odd waste for a series that probably won't survive it's first year.

Re: Revolution (NBC, Sept 17)

Tue, 30 Oct 2012 20:17:16 EDT

Light Guy posted : They showed it on NBC NY Nonstop last night and I think it will air this Thursday at 8pm on NBC and is also available On Demand

Re: Revolution (NBC, Sept 17)

Tue, 30 Oct 2012 19:25:02 EDT

Alpha Phoenix posted :

said by Octavean:

Anyway I noticed that a new episode aired on the 29th but I have yet to see it:

"Sex and Drugs" Air Date: 10/29/12

Promising title though,..... :)

It's not what you think. Don't be fooled. Lol
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Re: Revolution (NBC, Sept 17)

Tue, 30 Oct 2012 16:00:48 EDT

Octavean posted : I'm in NYC, so due to Sandy hitting there wasn't much on the local channels other then news coverage. We got lucky though no real problems,........

Anyway I noticed that a new episode aired on the 29th but I have yet to see it:

"Sex and Drugs" Air Date: 10/29/12

Promising title though,..... :)

Re: Revolution (NBC, Sept 17)

Fri, 26 Oct 2012 14:38:38 EDT

Snakeoil posted : I happy that NBC is airing repeats of the show on Saturday. I think that has helped the show. As Saturday is typically a dead day for programming.

Re: Revolution (NBC, Sept 17)

Fri, 26 Oct 2012 14:37:40 EDT

Snakeoil posted : Ted Turner would beg to differ. He has the largest buffalo ranch in the USA.
Theres plenty of Buffalo, heck, there more then enough white tail deer.

So if people didn't have buffalo to hunt, they'd hunt deer.

Failing that they could always breed rabbits and rats. I just finished a book that took place after the world ended. One group of survivors released they were running outta food, and they knew rats breed fast, require little effort. So they caught some wild rats, bred them for a couple of generations [to clean them up, wild rats have a load of pests]. Then they started harvesting and grinding the rats up into rat patties.
They would have used rabbits, but compared to rats, rabbits have a limited specific food requirement. Where as rats seem to thrive off of what ever we humans throw away.
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Re: Revolution (NBC, Sept 17)

Fri, 26 Oct 2012 14:32:16 EDT

Snakeoil posted :

said by SRFireside:

said by Voxxjin:

So do you think the one 'country', Wasteland, is actually a country or just a wasteland now that no one claims. Seems like an odd name for a country.

It seems to me wasteland is what it says it is. A wasteland. No electricity means no air conditioning. A lot of that territory I think I would be unbearable in the warmer months. Maybe the northern area is based on the opposite (too cold or rugged?). Anyway that was my theory.

In regards to rail maintenance there is a good chance that train only went from that city to the Monroe Capitol (and any points in between). Maintaining a single rail line may be a lot easier than a whole network.

When I hear wasteland, I think of a nuclear, biological event that prevents people from living there. Or maybe a thermal event like volcanoes.

No electricity isn't a big deal. Lack of water could be a deal breaker for a large population, but as seen in real life, there are people that live and thrive in the deserts regions, as well as in the cold regions.

Would the sudden loss of electrical power prevent a nuke plant from melting down?
Don't nuke plants run off of the energy they produce? Which begs the question: Just what was "the event" that was able to kill all power production.
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Re: Revolution (NBC, Sept 17)

Thu, 25 Oct 2012 09:11:59 EDT

PX Eliezer posted :

said by Omega:

Nearly every part of North America was occupied by humans well before electricity and air conditioning became common.

The oldtime Native Americans were acclimated to such a life from childhood.

Also, there are no more buffalo herds (etc) to hunt....

Re: Revolution (NBC, Sept 17)

Thu, 25 Oct 2012 01:10:16 EDT

Omega posted :

said by SRFireside:

said by Voxxjin:

So do you think the one 'country', Wasteland, is actually a country or just a wasteland now that no one claims. Seems like an odd name for a country.

Nearly every part of North America was occupied by humans well before electricity and air conditioning became common.
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Re: Revolution (NBC, Sept 17)

Wed, 24 Oct 2012 17:53:58 EDT

Packeteers posted : wasteland coincides with land that is NOT farm-able, or NOT relatively flat with a natural water.
this older map is more accurate in terms of having fewer farms dependent on recent technologies.

[att=1]

Re: Revolution (NBC, Sept 17)

Wed, 24 Oct 2012 17:13:57 EDT

SRFireside posted :

said by Voxxjin:

So do you think the one 'country', Wasteland, is actually a country or just a wasteland now that no one claims. Seems like an odd name for a country.

Re: Revolution (NBC, Sept 17)

Mon, 22 Oct 2012 22:05:57 EDT

Spice300 posted : In the photo with the Goddess of Liberty on the ground, there is a tower behind the capitol building. There is probably another one out of the view of the photo between which cables were stretched. Hoist the statue up to the cables then roll it along the cables until it is over the dome. Attach guy wires to the towers to help them support the weight of the statue. Your attitude about no one knowing how it was installed sounds like an episode of In Search Of: The Castle of Secrets: The Saga of the Coral Castle hosted by Leonard Nimoy in which he was pretending there was some miracle about how a lone man constructed a stone castle. Pulleys and cables are adequate.

It is likely some railroad construction people would survive to relate their knowledge about specifications. It is a matter of getting the manual tools (perhaps making some) and finding some muscle to operate them. The foreman makes sure the work is done properly. Gandy Dancers were typically low paid immigrants. Today they would be minimum wage workers. In Revolution they would probably be prisoners doing slave labor.

Re: Revolution (NBC, Sept 17)

Mon, 22 Oct 2012 10:06:15 EDT

Voxxjin posted : Some stories about the statue:
»www.texasescapes.com/AustinTexas···erty.htm
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Re: Revolution (NBC, Sept 17)

Mon, 22 Oct 2012 08:25:00 EDT

PX Eliezer posted :

said by Sinbad Sam:

Here take a look at the photos here look down towards the bottom of the web page...the image of the 3000 pound statue and in the background the almost finished Texas Capital Building.
»www.texasescapes.com/MikeCoxTexa···Dome.htm

That story itself is worth a look, too!

Re: Revolution (NBC, Sept 17)

Mon, 22 Oct 2012 00:47:30 EDT

Sinbad Sam posted : Here take a look at the photos here look down towards the bottom of the web page...the image of the 3000 pound statue and in the background the almost finished Texas Capital Building.
»www.texasescapes.com/MikeCoxTexa···Dome.htm
During the restoration many highly competent engineers/architects looked at some of what you said what could have been done and ruled it out.

The job of Gandy Dancer was more than just exhausting labor but also technical in several aspects. To me your are over simplifying, or are unfamiliar with the expertise of Gandy Dancers.

Merely because I pick up a brick masons tools does not mean I can construct a brick multistory building.

Again the Monroe Army could eventually learn to be a passable group of Gandy Dancers but only after many years of failures and train wrecks due to the lack of knowledge/experience in doing track maintenance.

Re: Revolution (NBC, Sept 17)

Sun, 21 Oct 2012 22:27:39 EDT

Spice300 posted : Construct a fixed tower crane to lift the statute over the dome. The building was probably constructed using a crane. Another option is two fixed towers with a steel cable between them. The skycrane was probably the less expensive option for Texas' renovation. Even the Romans had cranes hundreds of years ago.

As for Gandy Dancers it is exhausting labor but not technically difficult to repair rail tracks. A rail track is constructed from creosoted wooded railroad ties embedded in gravel with steel tracks nailed to them. They would need some manual tools, but certainly some could be found in a rail depot or farmer's barn. It is certainly within the capability of the Monroe Militia to maintain rail tracks.

said by PX Eliezer:

Why would these militia states spend so much energy fighting the concept, rather than using it to their own advantage?

Both Miles and Monroe are $fontbg deserters from the U.S. Army or Marines. Neither of them have any respect for their base commander who waited and waited for orders that never arrived while civilization fell apart. Miles originally wanted to help people while Monroe was being loyal to his best friend by accompanying him. Monroe is obviously a megalomaniac who has been victorious over the opposition whether they were American loyalists or otherwise. $Fontbg He is not going to accept elections when there is no one compelling him. He is the top warlord in the northeast. Consider that the U.S. government might not be popular because its police and soldiers did not help when its citizens were starving or stole food and tools. So far the viewers have only been shown the state-of-affairs within the Monroe Republic. Attitudes might be different in other regions.

Re: Revolution (NBC, Sept 17)

Sun, 21 Oct 2012 21:35:24 EDT

capecoddah posted :

said by Octavean:

said by capecoddah:

said by Octavean:

But when it comes down to it, sometimes you have to just suspend disbelief in order to enjoy the hot chick with the bow and arrow,….. ;)

She has become exponentially annoying.

Just sayin'...

While I don’t totally disagree with your assessment. I’m not sure about the math here. For example ones point of view with respect to this subject could depend where you are on the graph. I suspect there is an inflection point further ahead at which point the annoying to hotness dynamic does indeed increase exponentially with hotness effectively being an asymptote. In other words hotness undergoes no significant change for a very large increase in annoyance.

However, some can ignore the annoying factor in favor of hotness because to some its something of an art form,….. ;)

This also applies to bat $#!t crazy vs. hotness,….. ;)

And a whole host of others such as bad spending habits vs. hotness, massive debt vs. hotness, annoying voice vs. hotness, bad temper vs. hotness, paranoia vs. hotness and so on,…. ;)

But you know,…

Just saying,… :)

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Re: Revolution (NBC, Sept 17)

Sun, 21 Oct 2012 14:55:01 EDT

PX Eliezer posted :

said by Sinbad Sam:

On the Texas State Capital Building was a 3000 pound cast metal statue, that during this century's renovations required a heavy left helicopter to remove the statue. No one has been able to "figure" out how it was placed there in the first place. aka knowledge lost.

Fascinating story. You'd think there would be a young construction worker from the time who passed the story down through his family to a grandchild or great-grandchild....

And as a general principle, yes, knowledge is lost.

Even basic things today are being lost---people skilled in Morse code (no longer required by the FCC for amateur radio licenses aka ham radio), how to drive manual transmission cars, etc....

Re: Revolution (NBC, Sept 17)

Sun, 21 Oct 2012 14:41:43 EDT

Sinbad Sam posted : Yes there may be locomotives in easy to get at locations....but since today there are no Gandy Dancers still alive, that mean the Monroe Army/"Volunteers" would have to learn the "hard way" about working the rails and road bed, that means lots of train wrecks reducing the number of locomotives intact/accessible.

How many Locomotive Boilermakers were alive at the "event" , so again learning how to be one, again the "hard way" means less intact locomotive engines.

Merely because it was done in the last century does not mean current century persons can just go and build it.

On the Texas State Capital Building was a 3000 pound cast metal statue, that during this century's renovations required a heavy left helicopter to remove the statue. No one has been able to "figure" out how it was placed there in the first place. aka knowledge lost.

I worked with a modern day blacksmith, his prize possession is a large anvil of cast iron with a 4 inch thick plate of steel forge welded into the cast iron from the last century. The company that made it is still in business but the knowledge to make such a piece is gone.

Re: Revolution (NBC, Sept 17)

Sun, 21 Oct 2012 13:55:26 EDT

PX Eliezer posted :

said by Packeteers:

PX, you forget that....

You raise very good points.

Still, we have such a strong identity as Americans.

That in large part was what the Civil War was about: Were we a hodgepodge of states, or a country.

Robert E. Lee was on the wrong side of history for thinking he was primarily a Virginian rather than primarily an American. Although a great man in many ways, he could not overcome his belief in that regard despite his long service in the [United States] Army.

But with rare exception (Texas) today we think of ourselves as Americans, not as Pennsylvanians or Californians.

My point is that the militias created much more work for themselves by wanting to destroy the concept of America, instead of embracing it (however falsely and hypocritically).

I think of David Brin's fine book "The Postman" which unfortunately lost something in translation to a Hollywood movie.... Still, the people desperately wanted to believe.

We are in it together. Civilization means something. IAAMOAC

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Re: Revolution (NBC, Sept 17)

Sun, 21 Oct 2012 13:41:35 EDT

Packeteers posted : PX, you forget that the USA evolved out of 13 pre-electricity colonies who united to fight a foreign power, and later continued to cooperate for economic reasons where the slavery and later the industrial revolution helps solidify such ties. in "revolution" the USA devolved when without electricity it's organization and laws and vast industry became meaningless, most of the urban population starved and murdered each other, and animosity towards any USA coherency grew as people sought the security and cooperation of a militia. it's makes sense that such militias would rather try to take each others human talents and natural resources then cooperate in any meaningful way. people also are probably suspicious of anything USA as an event such as electricity unable to function at all world wide means some unknown science and organization is preventing it from working and the USA was unable to stop it or years later restore it.

Re: Revolution (NBC, Sept 17)

Sun, 21 Oct 2012 13:32:24 EDT

Omega posted : This thread has made me glad I decided to not watch this show.
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What smells like blue?

Re: Revolution (NBC, Sept 17)

Sun, 21 Oct 2012 10:40:45 EDT

PX Eliezer posted : Being an American is a powerful, powerful thing.

Why would these militia states spend so much energy fighting the concept, rather than using it to their own advantage?

What point to shooting someone who has a US flag?

Why not instead [use] the flag to support your own legitimacy?

THIS is a demonstration that the show is dumbed down for a Joe Sixpack audience, rather than an intelligent audience that could understand such subtle points.

Example:

In Robert Heinlein's important short story "Coventry" (part of the "Revolt in 2100" collection), the United States is divided into several separate political entities. But each of them claim to be the TRUE American government.