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Gordo74
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Monroeville, PA
reply to Krisnatharok

Re: Gaming build for teenager

The 6870/560Ti are still the best bang for the buck on the market..

Although your AMD chip selection baffles me. The i3 Sandy Bridge keeps up with the FX-8000 series and beats everything else easily while costing less than what you have listed.

See this thread with good links for proof: »www.tomshardware.com/forum/34427···tel-core

I built a gaming PC for a friend who gamed on a single monitor with an i3/6870 and it played everything at near-ultra with 45-50 FPS on the most demanding games (BF3, Skyrim).

As far as cost, yours is ~$250 right now without an added cooler for overclocking to even get it close to the i3 in gaming performance, whereas an i3 and a good Gigabyte mobo (H77-DS3H) is ~$220 and it is good enough to run stock for the most demanding games. Normally, I'd agree that the AMD system may be justifiable, but from a purely gaming perspective, the i3 is a no-brainer. If you keep the same budget, you can actually kick it up to an i5 for the same price as you would pay (~$250) and keep the same motherboard.

Just my 2c.


Krisnatharok
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said by Gordo74:

Although your AMD chip selection baffles me. The i3 Sandy Bridge keeps up with the FX-8000 series and beats everything else easily while costing less than what you have listed.

I hear what you are saying about the 8000 series, but from what I've read from (admittedly user) reviews, the 4000 series performs *much* better on the same die built for 8 cores at a much higher clockspeed. People are getting ridiculous clock speeds out of the 4170 and still keep temps very low on stock/weak coolers (if he needs an aftermarket cooler I have two just sitting around, a Cooler Master V8 and a Prolimatech Megahalems). I'm really curious how well the FX-4170 does in games but cannot find any 'official' reviews out there on that specific chip.
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Gordo74
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said by Krisnatharok:

I'm really curious how well the FX-4170 does in games but cannot find any 'official' reviews out there on that specific chip.

If it comes down to curiosity, I can appreciate that. I certainly don't think it will perform sub-par in games, I just think the i3 would be better bang for your buck personally.


Krisnatharok
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Finally found a review at Ocaholic. It lags in traditional CPU benchmarking, as does the rest of Bulldozer chips, but in gaming it really shines and is pretty much on par with the i5-2500k and i5-3570k at 1080p, the unlocked Ivy Bridge CPU being about half again as much money. I feel vindicated with selecting the FX-4170 as a gaming CPU:

Street Fighter 4 (1920 x 1080 high details, 8x AA, 16x AF)
• Intel Core i7 (sic) 3570K 3.40 GHz DDR3-1600: 99.14 FPS
• Intel Core i5 2500K 3.30 GHz DDR3-1333: 90.76 FPS
• AMD FX-4170 4.2 GHz DDR3-1600: 90.48 FPS

Resident Evil DirectX10 (1920 x 1080 high details, 8x AA)
• Intel Core i7 (sic)3570K 3.40 GHz DDR3-1600: 76.0 FPS
• Intel Core i5 2500K 3.30 GHz DDR3-1333: 75.9 FPS
• AMD FX-4170 4.2 GHz DDR3-1600: 70.5 FPS

Crysis DirectX10 (1920 x 1080 high details, 16x AA)
• AMD FX-4170 4.2 GHz DDR3-1600: 25.02 FPS
• Intel Core i7 (sic) 3570K 3.40 GHz DDR3-1600: 20.16 FPS
• Intel Core i5 2500K 3.30 GHz DDR3-1333: 19.92 FPS

Again, I wish there were more reviews on this chip from a gaming perspective. Even this review baffles me--the GPU used was a GTX 285 and they mistakenly refer to the Ivy Bridge 3570K as an i7 and not an i5. The FX-4170 only has an OK showing where FPS are not an issue (older games or at low resolutions), but it's interesting to see it beat out every single CPU tested in Crysis while under high settings at 1920x1080.
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me1212

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This is very very interesting! A 4.2ghx 4170(whats the difference between that and the 4100, other than the base speed and cpu wattage?) can go toe to toe with stock 2500k and 3570k. While I still love my 4.5ghz 2500k, and would prefer it to that any day of the week(faster compile times ftw), thats pretty freaking amazing.

I have a friend who got a 4100 because micro center had a free mobo deal with the purchase of it(at the time they were out of phenom II), shes been wanting to overclock and get more out of it and this looks promising. I assume that test uses the stock cooler, is is it the same one that comes on the rest of the bulldozers or is it different because of the high clock speed?


Krisnatharok
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Not sure, I think I am going to stick with an Ivy Bridge i5, but I'd assume you can get some good numbers out of the 4170, especially if you get a CM Hyper 212+ ($30). That cooler should allow you to push close to 5 GHz.
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