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Maxo
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Re: Stallman on Valve+GNU/Linux

I was actually happy to see him look at the issue from a viewpoint other than staunch opposition of all things not free software.


markofmayhem
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said by Maxo:

I was actually happy to see him look at the issue from a viewpoint other than staunch opposition of all things not free software.

His passive-aggressive undertone still shines through, however.

Thus, in direct practical terms, this development can do both harm and good. It might encourage GNU/Linux users to install these games, and it might encourage users of the games to replace Windows with GNU/Linux. My guess is that the direct good effect will be bigger than the direct harm. But there is also an indirect effect: what does the use of these games teach people in our community?

Any GNU/Linux distro that comes with software to offer these games will teach users that the point is not freedom. Nonfree software in GNU/Linux distros already works against the goal of freedom. Adding these games to a distro would augment that effect.

If you want to promote freedom, please take care not to talk about the availability of these games on GNU/Linux as support for our cause.

Outsiders may bring unwanted influence, speak not of them.

Open source, closed community. I've mentioned this before, it irks me.

Counter point:
These games will come from a closed-off environment, where freedom was stifled. They may be naive to software freedom and a bit hostile due to years of oppression. Be kind and firm accepting them with open arms while displaying what software freedom benefits exist. The human mind is not a container to be filled, rather, it is a fire that requires kindling. An open and accepting community fosters involvement and return.
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said by Maxo:

I was actually happy to see him look at the issue from a viewpoint other than staunch opposition of all things not free software.

He can't ignore all the positive changes supported gaming would bring to Linux... there would be a massive influx of programming resources overnight.
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said by El Quintron:

said by Maxo:

I was actually happy to see him look at the issue from a viewpoint other than staunch opposition of all things not free software.

He can't ignore all the positive changes supported gaming would bring to Linux... there would be a massive influx of programming resources overnight.

And certainly an influx of users, I know of plenty of people who would ditch the high cost of windows and go Linux if Linux would play their games without any BSing around with emulation.

I know if I could play AAA titles like WoW, HLseries, Mass Effect series, etc all natively under linux I would not even have a HD partition with Windows... Because my other hobby(CG modeling in Blender) is completely native in Linux.
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me1212

join:2008-11-20
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said by El Quintron:

said by Maxo:

I was actually happy to see him look at the issue from a viewpoint other than staunch opposition of all things not free software.

He can't ignore all the positive changes supported gaming would bring to Linux... there would be a massive influx of programming resources overnight.

I'm glad hes not ignoring them, only a fool would. I would switch to linux completely IF all my games were on it. But heck the source modders(which make up the majority of valve employees) will love this, granted its hard not to like developing stuff on an open platform as opposed to a closed platform.

And as a cool point of interest it seems valve will be using qt to make their modding tools and steam portal on linux.


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said by me1212:

And as a cool point of interest it seems valve will be using qt to make their modding tools and steam portal on linux.

Thanks for letting me know that, with the recent sale of Nokia it's nice to see that QT may have some other backers in the wings.
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