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elray

join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA

reply to DataRiker

Re: Protesting too much?

said by DataRiker:

ADSL2+ pair bonding is on the way here.

Our new JDSU test units already have the port and testing tools for 2 pair ADSL2+

But what LEC or ISP will offer it?

What performance gains will a customer actually realize other than slightly increased upload speed?

(Referencing Sonic's product, which is rather underwhelming.)


DataRiker
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said by elray:

said by DataRiker:

ADSL2+ pair bonding is on the way here.

Our new JDSU test units already have the port and testing tools for 2 pair ADSL2+

But what LEC or ISP will offer it?

What performance gains will a customer actually realize other than slightly increased upload speed?

(Referencing Sonic's product, which is rather underwhelming.)

For customers less than 18,000ft bandwidth would be doubled ( minus a bit )

And people beyond 18K to about 25K could now get service.

Do you currently have sonic.net's bonded ADSL2+ service?

elray

join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA

We don't have Fusion yet, though it is promised "soon".

We're at ~15k feet - the line varies, sometimes will qualify for 1.5M, but historically maxes at about 650kbps, with typical speeds of 480kbps.

I'd like to think that Fusion / ADSL2+ can deliver more than 3mbps, but I'm not optimistic.



DataRiker
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Are you on ADSL? Or ADSL2+?

ADSL2+ typically performs better than 650k at 15K.


elray

join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA

said by DataRiker:

Are you on ADSL? Or ADSL2+?

ADSL2+ typically performs better than 650k at 15K.

We have ADSL.

My concern is that despite all the hoopla, their ADSL2+ product doesn't perform at anywhere near the advertised speeds for many, but those of us coming late to the party DO enjoy the privilege of paying an even higher price for less-than-mediocre bitrates and dialtone we don't necessarily want.


DataRiker
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I can tell you ADSL2+ outperforms ADSL in 2 ways.

Firstly, it mitigates noise better. Secondly instead of using 1.1Mhz it doubles bandwidth to 2.2 Mhz. (VDSL is 12Mhz)

Now at 15K all bets are off as to whether or not you see any of the additional bandwidth


elray

join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA

said by DataRiker:

I can tell you ADSL2+ outperforms ADSL in 2 ways.

Firstly, it mitigates noise better. Secondly instead of using 1.1Mhz it doubles bandwidth to 2.2 Mhz. (VDSL is 12Mhz)

Now at 15K all bets are off as to whether or not you see any of the additional bandwidth

Unfortunately, the "upgrade" is a roll of the dice, pair-wise, so the improved protocol doesn't necessarily yield anything, and none of the king's horses or men are interested in coordinating a fix if you draw the short straw.

We'll still give it a roll at a few sites, those that still use hardwired dialtone, providing it comes available real soon. $55/month for ~1-3mbit and voice isn't anything to write home about, but I'd still rather give Sonic a shot at it before yielding to U-Verse or cable.

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