OK, my misunderstanding. PSU fan here, not gonna roll over and die because of this horrible situation. Wrongs, serious wrongs, were committed at many levels, Joe included. The offenders are gone now. That doesn't take away from the good the university, its staff, and students have done in the world. My siblings are graduates of PSU, I took classes there but ultimately graduated elsewhere. Its a lot more than a football program. Will be rooting for PSU as loyally as always, because its my state university and I believe in higher education. Excited about the level of commitment being shown by Bill O'Brien and the kids on the team, none of whom had anything to do with this nightmare.

It will take a long time for that to fade from the public memory and it won't start fading until long after all the dust settles from the continuing lawsuits.

I'm not disagreeing that the public will see it that way. It will, and that sucks a lot because the public has no god damn idea. They know what the media spoon fed them.

I bet if you asked a random person on the street what "THON" is at Penn State they'd have no idea. :uhh:

I frankly don't care what ignorant people think. I still wear my Penn State stuff proudly and any ignorant asshole that wants to think the entire university is "corrupt" or "bad" because of one pedophile and a handful of people covering it up can think whatever they want. I know the real Penn State.

. . It will take a long time for that to fade from the public memory and it won't start fading until long after all the dust settles from the continuing lawsuits.

Sorry, but the actions of a few corrupt assholes do not define the University nor its alumni nor does it take away the great education I received. I'm still proud to be a Penn State graduate and other people can believe what they want but the actions of a sick pervert and some corrupt upper level figures cannot speak for the entire University.

Sorry, but the actions of a few corrupt assholes do not define the University nor its alumni nor does it take away the great education I received. I'm still proud to be a Penn State graduate and other people can believe what they want but the actions of a sick pervert and some corrupt upper level figures cannot speak for the entire University.

Checkmate! I win.

I really take offense at that last comment.

The entire point is that Penn State cannot and should not be held liable for 1998. That is on somebody else's conscience.

. . you keep making assumptions about what you think occurred and not working simply from the fact.

In 1998, there was an external investigation in to what occurred between Sandusky and the boy. It included the DA, Police, CYS and DPW. No abuse occurred. How gosh darn hard is that to understand. No crime occurred. No charges were filed.

Had anyone taken any action against Sandusky with no charges even being filed, then they were at risk of lawsuits themselves.

Read the facts and only the facts. They are very clear.

Nothing's going to be undone based on nitpicking things McQueary said.

Re: 2001: To which story do you subscribe to that makes it clear that McQueary saw what has been reported?

Fact: In 1998, no charges were filed, hence no crime was committed.

Re: 1998: Therefore, since no crime was committed according to the professional investigating the incident, one cannot and should not be punished. You had better hope that you are never punished for something that never occurred.

Wrong, wrong wrong.

The problem goes back to 1998. Police, CYS, DPW and DA all investigated anf found no evidence of a crime.

I think less of an emphasis needed to be put on Penn State as a whole. As I said before, to which no one has been able to debate me on, this crime was perpetuated by 4 people. Curly, Schultz, Paterno, and Sandusky. These 4 people were the only ones with knowledge of the situation according to the Freeh report. It was these 4 people that are going to be incarcerated or fired for good reason. I would be inclined to agree with you if part of the team knew this was going on, but as it stands, that didn't happen.

Penn State hired Gene Marsh to negotiate the settlement with the NCAA. If they hadn't done that they would have lost their football program entirely for 1-4 years.

Just root for the right team.

GO BLUE!

Paterno family claims rush to judgement for PR reasons.
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At least they are allowing all the current players to transfer without penalty.

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University spokesman David La Torre said Monday that president Rodney Erickson made a choice he felt would allow the program to survive.

"It was clear Penn State faced an alternative - a long-term death penalty and additional sanctions for the program, university and whole community," La Torre said. "Given the situation, Dr. Erickson believed the sanctions offered and accepted was the appropriate course of action."

The threat was no football for several years, a punishment far harsher than the unprecedented one-year ban imposed on Southern Methodist University in 1987, Erickson told ESPN.

"Various numbers were tossed around, four being the highest," Erickson told the cable sports network's John Barr, calling such a fate "traumatic for everyone. It's traumatic for the student-athletes involved. It's traumatic for the university."

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I'm fine with the ruling. The players can play this year and find a new school next year or stay at Penn State. What is difficult about that? Nothing. I didn't tap dance around anything. You don't like my opinion, which is fine, just don't assume what I'm thinking.

Innocent people are affected everyday because of the actions of people they have no control of. I don't like to see it, just that it happens. In my opinion, there is no injustice being done to college students who play football for Penn State. They can stay in school and not play, stay in school and play, or transfer. They have choices. They don't have a right to have a fully funded football program that goes to post season play. Their participation is a privilege. The fans are not being short changed either. The fans pay good money to watch football. Their choice is to keep paying to see games or stop paying. If a student athlete or fan feels like they have had an injustice done to them, they have their priorities wrong.

So, why don't you tell me why Penn State, as a whole, needed emphasis on being taught a lesson in this specific case? Especially considering there were only 4 people involved at the university level that knew ANYTHING about this situation?