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Re: [OS X] NASA's control room flooded with Macs during Mars Cur said by Octavean: I see this more like what kind of sneakers an Olympic athlete endorses ....
More like what sneaker the gold medal winner wore! Serious running requires serious footwear, serious science requires serious computers.
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| said by TamaraB:said by Octavean: I see this more like what kind of sneakers an Olympic athlete endorses ....
serious science requires serious computers. Seems unlikely. I don't see any Unix laptops 
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| said by JohnInSJ:Seems unlikely. I don't see any Unix laptops
Duh..... OSX is bsd unix. |
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| said by TamaraB:said by JohnInSJ:Seems unlikely. I don't see any Unix laptops
Duh..... OSX is bsd unix. No, it's not. It's darwin. I'd say OSX is NExT, but that will just piss off the purists MacZelots.
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3 edits | said by JohnInSJ:No, it's not. It's darwin. I'd say OSX is NExT, but that will just piss off the purists MacZelots.
Without getting into irrelevant semantics, OSX is a "NIX" OS. I have recently moved from more than two decades of using SCO, Solaris, HPUX, Linux, netbsd, and FreeBSD to a couple of Macs running OSX. Every one of my bash scripts run flawlessly, while there are some minor differences between my old BSD boxes and OSX, mainly in file system layout, OSX is essentially identical. Not so much with Linux, but the provenance to BSD is unmistakeable.
I am new to macs, only about 4 months, but the transition from BSD and Linux to OSX was the most seamless transition I have ever experienced; and that includes moving to and from SCO UNIX/Zenix, Solaris, and HPUX (I have almost NO experience with crap Windowz).
These Macs are NIX machines. Call them by whatever name you like, but they are NIX machines with a marvelously working GUI (as compared with every other X-Windows based NIX I have used in the past).
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| said by howardfine:In fact, they are certified Unix.
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS_X
"OS X is based upon the Mach kernel. Certain parts from FreeBSD's and NetBSD's implementation of Unix were incorporated in NeXTSTEP, the core of Mac OS X. NeXTSTEP was the graphical, object-oriented, and UNIX-based operating system developed by Steve Jobs' company NeXT after he left Apple in 1985.[12] While Jobs was away from Apple, Apple tried to create a "next-generation" OS through the Taligent, Copland and Gershwin projects, with little success.[13]
Eventually, NeXT's OS, then called OPENSTEP, was selected to be the basis for Apple's next OS, and Apple purchased NeXT outright."
So, as I said, it's NExT. But that mach kernel is horrible, compared to a decent unix kernel.
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| So was NExTStep. I'm guessing most of those folks don't spend much time in the shell though. So it's as Unix as Android is Linux, I guess.
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| Don't know who you mean but I run FreeBSD and most of the FreeBSD folks I hang with use Macs as their machines and rarely venture outside the shell. |
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said by JohnInSJ:So was NExTStep. I'm guessing most of those folks don't spend much time in the shell though.
You guess wrong. I spend most of my computer time at the shell. I manage a dozen or so NIX boxes (mostly Linux servers, which run most of the Internet) remotely. Methinks you know not of what you speak.
Software I wrote decades ago in Pascal, ran under Linux, and now, re-compiled under FreePascal, runs under OSX. You obviously don't know what you are yammering about.
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Why would it piss them off? It's well known that OS X was originally Rhapsody which was based on OpenStep which was started from NeXTStep.
OS X is certified UNIX. It doesn't matter one bit whether people login with >console and never use the GUI or if they use the GUI 24/7. It's still a UNIX OS.
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said by Thinkdiff:Why would it piss them off? It's well known that OS X was originally Rhapsody which was based on OpenStep which was started from NeXTStep.
OS X is certified UNIX. It doesn't matter one bit whether people login with >console and never use the GUI or if they use the GUI 24/7. It's still a UNIX OS.
Ok, it's a unix os, and all the cool kids have them. Everyone knows OS X is unix based, that's why they choose Macs in the first place. And clearly, it makes for awesome Mars landings.
Forgive me. I shall go buy another Mac right now
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kudos:1 | said by JohnInSJ:Forgive me. I shall go buy another Mac right now
LOL,…me too.
I’ll buy another Mac mini, iPhone 4s and some accessories. Then say 10 hail mary's,…..errrr I mean hail Steve’s and go sit in the corner,…..  |
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Whatever. You were wrong, people called you out on it. You just don't want to own up to it. It's ok to be wrong.
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| said by Thinkdiff:Whatever. You were wrong, people called you out on it. You just don't want to own up to it. It's ok to be wrong.
I'm not wrong. I said from the start it was based on NExT. I've used MacOS X for years, have a couple MBPs, and have used macports to install several *nix packages to attempt to do *nix development on MacOS. It just isn't very good as a *nix box, mostly because of the macification of it. But if that's all you have, then yay, macports.
I seriously doubt any of the macbook pros in the control room were anything other than productivity laptops. NASA, I hope, uses real computers running real OSes to do the real science. Not consumer laptops.
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I'm not wrong. I said from the start it was based on NExT. I've used MacOS X for years, have a couple MBPs, and have used macports to install several *nix packages to attempt to do *nix development on MacOS. It just isn't very good as a *nix box, mostly because of the macification of it. But if that's all you have, then yay, macports. I seriously doubt any of the macbook pros in the control room were anything other than productivity laptops. NASA, I hope, uses real computers running real OSes to do the real science. Not consumer laptops. According to a source for this electronica article (»www.electronista.com/articles/12···riosity/), they're all U.S. Government property.
The article also states that "none of the computers with visible displays appeared to be running Windows or Linux."
In a related story, TUAW ran a Mars/Curiosity article, mentioning that Macs had "became almost standard issue at JPL [Jet Propulsion Laboratory], where they were popular in imaging work, especially creating large mosaics, and when OS X came out there was the added advantage of an OS that was UNIX based."
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said by JohnInSJ:I seriously doubt any of the macbook pros in the control room were anything other than productivity laptops. NASA, I hope, uses real computers running real OSes to do the real science. Not consumer laptops.
Unix, and therefore OSX, is a real operating system. The long-haired guy in the control room is a Linux admin which implies they use Linux for something in there but Linux is not certified Unix.
What hardware the software runs on does not detract from how professional and well run Unix is. Those scientists, and the ones at CERN I linked to, obviously aren't using them to surf the web during all this. |
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said by JohnInSJ:I seriously doubt any of the macbook pros in the control room were anything other than productivity laptops. NASA, I hope, uses real computers running real OSes to do the real science. Not consumer laptops.
They use Solaris.
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