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NefCanuck

join:2007-06-26
Mississauga, ON
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Fanless nVidia video card suggestions?

Wondering if anyone has any suggestions on the above topic.

I recently had built an i7 3770 system and was assured that the built in Intel 4000 HD GPU would be "good enough" for what I was doing (mostly audio editing work so quiet is paramount)

The system consists of a 460W fanless Seasonic PSU, 1 - 120mm fan, an MSI Z77-GD55A, two sticks of Corsair memory for 16GB and the standard Intel HSF. I have a Kingston 120GB SSD as the main drive and a WD 500GB as my data drive.

Running Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit.

The monitor I'm driving is a 21" Dell touchscreen monitor at 1920x1080 resolution.

The issue I'm having is that doing anything more demanding than playing Flash games on the system (and even that can be a chore depending on the game) results in a stuttering jerky mess.

I'm assuming that the integrated GPU is the fault here (I don't have the WEI numbers in front of me but I know that they were pretty bad for the Graphics / Aero performance, worse than the nVidia 8600 GT I had in my old system)

I want to stay nVidia because I've had good luck with their cards & drivers in the past and would rather stay with what I know.

Because of the size of the PSU I know I'm limited anyways and fanless vid card means no extra noise to be dealt with in my audio mixing.

Zotac has announced some fanless 6XX series nVidia cards which would at least keep the video part of the system happy for a good long time but I can't find any firm dates. So does anyone have any suggestions for right now or should I wait out the Zotac offerings?

NefCanuck



Dissembled

join:2008-01-23
Indianapolis, IN

Well, they told you it was good enough because you told them you were going to be doing audio work. Now you go and and try and play a game at 1920X1080......yeah well it's going to suck.

As you said, even your 8600 is better. Do you still have it? Throw it in there and see if it works better.


Chrno

join:2003-12-11
reply to NefCanuck

Try reinstalling the Intel VGA driver. The HD4000 should have a WEI of 6.0-6.5 (I don't remember the exact number but should be above 6. I didn't have any problems playing flash games @ 1080p using the HD4000 graphics but I was only running a single monitor via my laptop's miniDP. Running more than a single monitor may be more taxing.



Gordo74
Premium
join:2003-10-28
Monroeville, PA
reply to NefCanuck

You shouldnt be having ANY issues playing flash games with that system. Check not only your video drivers, but your motherboard drivers as well.


NefCanuck

join:2007-06-26
Mississauga, ON
Reviews:
·voip.ms
reply to Dissembled

said by Dissembled:

Well, they told you it was good enough because you told them you were going to be doing audio work. Now you go and and try and play a game at 1920X1080......yeah well it's going to suck.

As you said, even your 8600 is better. Do you still have it? Throw it in there and see if it works better.

Unfortunately no, that went with the old system that I donated to someone else.

Considering that the system does play Blu Rays fine at that resolution, I would have thought a Flash based game would be even easier, dopey me.

NefCanuck

NefCanuck

join:2007-06-26
Mississauga, ON
Reviews:
·voip.ms
reply to Chrno

said by Chrno:

Try reinstalling the Intel VGA driver. The HD4000 should have a WEI of 6.0-6.5 (I don't remember the exact number but should be above 6. I didn't have any problems playing flash games @ 1080p using the HD4000 graphics but I was only running a single monitor via my laptop's miniDP. Running more than a single monitor may be more taxing.

Ugh, and I actually do that by way of Splashtop XDisplay via my ipad when I'm broadcasting.

I use the Splashtop display for my playlist to give the broadcasting software the full display to play with.

NefCanuck

NefCanuck

join:2007-06-26
Mississauga, ON
Reviews:
·voip.ms
reply to NefCanuck

Here's what I got in terms of the Graphics information regarding my system (Claimed WEI scores for graphics are 6.6)

Graphics
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Display adapter type Intel(R) HD Graphics 4000
Total available graphics memory 1696 MB
Dedicated graphics memory 64 MB
Dedicated system memory 0 MB
Shared system memory 1632 MB
Display adapter driver version 8.15.10.2696
Primary monitor resolution 1920x1080
DirectX version DirectX 10

Does any of this shed any light on my performance issue?

NefCanuck


koitsu
Premium,MVM
join:2002-07-16
Mountain View, CA
kudos:23

Since when has Flash ever been a decent (performance-wise) piece of software? Haha man... what a base comparison to use. :P Flash overall is a piece of crap. I remember when I had a Facebook account how Farmville would take up around 70% of my CPU (and that was on an Intel Q9550) -- just complete and total nonsense.

I would recommend making sure your Flash version is up-to-date (both ActiveX (IE) and non-ActiveX (Firefox) versions), and you might try turning off or turning on the "Use hardware acceleration" checkbox inside Flash (right-click on a running Flash application and mess about in Settings).

A Swedish colleague of mine uses a Core 2 Duo system where he must have hardware acceleration enabled in Flash or else he can't watch a stream above ~720p without his entire system stuttering to hell and back. On my system (Core i7-2600K), I actually disable hardware acceleration in Flash because it has been attributed to system lock-ups (100% nVidia driver bugs, period, no argument/discussion) when doing certain things like watching Youtube videos (for me it's very very rare, but I refuse to accept that kind of instability). Note that the hardware acceleration checkbox, to my knowledge, is only used for things like video playback; stuff like Flash games, to my knowledge, do not benefit from this checkbox. All of that is 2D / CPU-bound, combined with how inefficient Flash is in general (code-wise).

Performance on Windows 7 when using multiple physical monitors tends to greatly diminish, so your performance problems with 3D software may be attributed to that. Getting a dedicated video card with dual DVI or DP output would be a wise choice.

Regarding fanless video cards:

I would strongly recommend you stay away from them unless all you're doing is 2D work. I've tried a fanless 9800GT, and unless you think 110C is a legitimate temperature for a video card to run at (and idle around 90C), I would say picking a card that uses decent fans would be a better choice.

I can personally attest to the MSI N560GTX-TI Twin Frozr II being a very quiet card (it has two fans), even when playing games like Diablo 3 -- and I'm very, very sensitive to electronic + background noise thus do not tolerate cards with fans that sound like jet engines or whine.

If you wanted a multi-display fanless card that wasn't for decent 3D, I'd refer you to nVidia's Quadro NVS series, which run cool, are fanless, and are quite excellent cards. But they're also very expensive and intended to do things like drive 4 monitors @ 1920x1200 @ 32-bit, not Flash or 3D things.
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Making life hard for others since 1977.
I speak for myself and not my employer/affiliates of my employer.


NefCanuck

join:2007-06-26
Mississauga, ON
Reviews:
·voip.ms

Already did check that my Flash was updated when I noticed the performance drop vs. my old system.

What was the wattage draw for the N560GTX-TI? I'm also constrained by the PSU which is only good for 460W according to Seasonic. The store that sold it to me claimed it could take a 600W load "all day long" but I don't trust that statement a damn, since they aren't the ones handling the warranty claim if the PSU blows up.

The 640 Zotac card lists only needing a 350W PSU, if I needed to throw in a second fan to deal with heat from a fanless card I could do that.

NefCanuck



koitsu
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join:2002-07-16
Mountain View, CA
kudos:23

I don't have wattage numbers (during idle and during load) for the GTX 560 Ti. I'm sure you can go find review sites which provide this. Make sure you pay very close attention to the numbers and the descriptions of the load; do not simply look at the graphs and go "oh my god, 350W!" since many review sites simply show you what the entire system draws under load vs. idle, not just the video card. Getting the load of *just the card* is somewhat difficult.

This thread is slowly becoming a nightmare because more and more pre-requisites or limits keep being appended to the list. I think Dissembled See Profile put it best in his initial reply.
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Making life hard for others since 1977.
I speak for myself and not my employer/affiliates of my employer.



Jan Janowski
Premium
join:2000-06-18
Skokie, IL
reply to NefCanuck

My $.02:

If you EVER do Cuda Processing, you'll need a fan.

End of Story...
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asdfdfdfdfdf
Premium
join:2012-05-09
kudos:3
reply to NefCanuck

I doubt that you need anything as beefy as what you are looking at.

What games are you wanting to run and what specific game triggered this thread?


NefCanuck

join:2007-06-26
Mississauga, ON
Reviews:
·voip.ms

said by asdfdfdfdfdf:

I doubt that you need anything as beefy as what you are looking at.

What games are you wanting to run and what specific game triggered this thread?

Honestly it was the fact that I could with my old system running an Nvidia 8600 GT could run a flash game or use my extended screen display software (xDisplay) on my iPad without stuttering.

I can't say the same for the Intel 4000 HD graphics that the i7-3770 comes with

I realize that there are 5xx series cards from nVidia out now that would do what I want but basically these are going to be EOL'ed soon and according to Zotac, the manufacturer of the fanless cards I'm looking at, they have 6xx series cards that consume even less power (and therefore in corollary, produce less heat)

NefCanuck


AMDUSER
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Earth,
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There maybe.. I saw this on Newegg.:

»www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a···-125-407

[If you subscribe to the newsletter / email... there is a coupon code that will take it down to about $20 after rebate.]


JoelC707
Premium
join:2002-07-09
Lanett, AL
kudos:5
reply to koitsu

said by koitsu:

Regarding fanless video cards:

I would strongly recommend you stay away from them unless all you're doing is 2D work. I've tried a fanless 9800GT, and unless you think 110C is a legitimate temperature for a video card to run at (and idle around 90C), I would say picking a card that uses decent fans would be a better choice.

I've got three reference 9800GT cards that seem to run at nearly the same temps. Decent fans is right. I've read so many reviews/reports saying it's "OK" at those temps but then one of mine has all kinds of artifacts and corruption that I have a hard time believing that.


Octavean
Premium,MVM
join:2001-03-31
New York, NY
kudos:1
reply to NefCanuck

At the low end of the video card spectrum I don't know how much of an improvement you'll receive going from a fan-less 5xx series card to a fan-less 6xx series card.

AMDUSER's suggestion is probably all you would need.

Unless perhaps you come up with a new use case not previously mentioned,.....after buying,....


NefCanuck

join:2007-06-26
Mississauga, ON
Reviews:
·voip.ms

said by Octavean:

At the low end of the video card spectrum I don't know how much of an improvement you'll receive going from a fan-less 5xx series card to a fan-less 6xx series card.

AMDUSER's suggestion is probably all you would need.

Unless perhaps you come up with a new use case not previously mentioned,.....after buying,....

Well, the thing is right now I'm only using the Intel 4000 HD graphics on board the CPU, and from what I can tell, it appears that the 6xx series fanless card would be an improvement (the 5xx series not so much after further research)

As to other uses once I buy the card, who knows? I might actually get back into PC gaming again (using a PS3 and several iDevices for my fix now )

NefCanuck