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Nick D
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reply to Thaler

Re: What makes YOU elite?

I also suspect you don't look at other people's mounts who are showing them off (let's say pre-nerf Firelord mounts) and think "man that guy and his guild have some skills in this game". There are certainly a large number of reasonable people who see that as showboating.

I had a Rag mount during Firelands from being a lucksack in normal mode (I know JB, mount without Firelord is dumb). I got a LOT of whispers about "holy crap where'd you get that mount!? it's awesome!", because a). it is a very awesome mount so I get the personal satisfaction of always seeing it and b). people are wowed by awesome things and its fun to take a small bit of pride in that.

My own accomplishment was minor to get that mount, but imagine if it had only been Firelord accessible. Those people dedicated time (both to work on the encounter and become skilled at the game in general) and proved themselves to be the best at the game by the game's definition.

Maybe it's a character flaw to want recognition and (this is a terrible word for it but) idolatry for your efforts, but its a pretty widespread one People like recognition, and they like the concept that this award/reward can only be obtained by putting forth the same effort as they did.



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said by Nick D:

People like recognition, and they like the concept that this award/reward can only be obtained by putting forth the same effort as they did.

Oh, I see...kind of like being rewarded a disproportionately large circular pendant made of precious metal for you to wear around your neck for being good at jumping on a trampoline?
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Nick D
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Preeeeecisely.

EDIT: Except we hold the ability to jump on trampolines or move our legs really fast to a higher standard (and thus those achievements tend to be viewed as "legitimate" and the limited rewards as justified) than clicking keys in response to visual stimulus from a computer program.

I suppose there's something to be said for active competition, and there is such a thing as being objectively better than the other guy in sport, and that drakes and titles don't have a quantity cutoff (there are only 3 medals per event in the Olympics after all).

But that doesn't mean we should start handing out participation medals for everyone who tries to qualify for the Olympics, no matter how poorly they perform. It's a matter of moving the cutoffs, though.

The hardest Rag ever was was pre-nerf, so that's the gold standard. Everyone who killed Rag then gets Firelord, and I don't think you can argue that.

You can probably also state with agreement that level 90s who do 100,000 DPS average who kill him are probably just lolzing through it and do not deserve the same rewards (if you accept my premises above).

But are the rewards still valid if you killed him after the 15% nerf?

Are they still valid if you killed him at level 85 in Dragon Soul gear?



Thaler
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said by Nick D:

I had a Rag mount during Firelands from being a lucksack in normal mode (I know JB, mount without Firelord is dumb). I got a LOT of whispers about "holy crap where'd you get that mount!? it's awesome!", because a). it is a very awesome mount so I get the personal satisfaction of always seeing it and b). people are wowed by awesome things and its fun to take a small bit of pride in that.

And so someone getting their own Fireland mount in MoP will somehow retroactively take away from the fun you had?

said by Nick D:

You can probably also state with agreement that level 90s who do 100,000 DPS average who kill him are probably just lolzing through it and do not deserve the same rewards (if you accept my premises above).

But are the rewards still valid if you killed him after the 15% nerf?

Are they still valid if you killed him at level 85 in Dragon Soul gear?

I guess I just have other things on my mind than the status of somebody else's pixels. I could give less of a fart about how someone else has fun in a video game (with exception to breaking TOS).


Nick D
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If its still hard to get, it establishes that you have skill, so people will respect your opinion or look up to you. Pecking orders are, in fact, a thing.

And again, yes, timestamps do exist will prove your real mettle. But timestamps are not on display in the middle of Stormwind/Ogrimmar.

I mean, someone getting Savior or Firelord next expac doesn't bother me. I got Light of Dawn for giggles a month ago. But I also think that people are generally rational in the long term (or at least don't have emotional reactions long term), so that there's a good reason why more hardcore players would like their achievements to be exclusive.

I'm just trying to suss that out.



Thaler
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said by Nick D:

And again, yes, timestamps do exist will prove your real mettle. But timestamps are not on display in the middle of Stormwind/Ogrimmar.

True, I just thought Blizz (and the rest of the gaming industry) went the way of the gold sticky star of achievement points. Those comparative "oh, neat" things you can look up if you really want to inspect a player.

I can understand if it's just a matter of epeen - just kind of petty to desire to lock up fun options for others in order to preserve a personal special snowflake status.