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| shrug.. What is Verizon to do with all that cost savings? Dump that into wireless upgrades too?!?!? Where (or to WHO) will this extra cash go when they dump the unions and hire part-time labor.. just in time for the health care law to subsidize millions of low wage earners.. in health care exchanges.. After raising prices across the board, that's one hefty chunk of ROI...
Wait, you didn't see that one coming?
I'm glad I dumped Verizon this year.. If I wasn't distracted with other aspects of my life I'd have done it sooner.
BTW, I bet AT&T dumps their unions first.. Verizon will have one hella fight on their hands, particularly in NY Metro... unions don't die quietly here.. but I predict it will happen by 2015/16.
Maybe a band of union workers can go out into the country and start some 3rd party telco/isps and give Verizon a run for their saved money.. Afterall, small business will be the savior of this economy, not big business. |
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| All Verizon has to do is wait for the next strike and fire them all, its a simple easy way to dump what remains of them after they gut the copper plants and then just hire cheep part time labor to maintain the FiOS plant or sell it off to the cable company's. One way or another the CWA needs to just go ahead and die. |
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·Verizon FiOS
2 edits | Define "the CWA" , youre talking about the workers themselves, not some separate organization.
Your ignorance is amazing. "Cheer cheer Ra ra ra.... Gooo Verrrrrizon ! Fuck the hard working middle class." Schmo. sigh.
The CWA which is completely against this cable deal, supports almost 45,000 FAMILIES working for Verizon. We're talking about food and mortgage payments. You go ahead and keep cheering for their rich CEO and board members. |
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 Woody79_00I run Linux am I still a PC?Premium
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united state | reply to flashcore
How pathetic to be on here cheering for someone to lose their job...
Look im not a union member, never have been...but its makes me sick to see some of the comments on here. These CWA are people with families.....The most Un-American thing someone can do is to wish ill will to another hard working American.
This has nothing to do with Unions...its about general principle and practice. You never want to see anyone lose their job....
Also your forgetting that these CWA people are middle class workers who pay more in taxes then most people on these forums (probably including you)....so if this goes down...the government is going to lose all that income tax money....which will just further this nations financial problems.
But go ahead and keep trumpeting the corporate horn...while they outsource all the jobs (which will then pay taxes to india not america) and will further put this country into financial ruin...makes no sense to me...its like cutting off your head to save your arm...its insane. |
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| Youre not talking about me right? lol. I will edit my post. |
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Woody79_00I run Linux am I still a PC?Premium
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united state | No Italian i wasn't talking about you. Your cool.
My post was more directed at Flashcore. |
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| reply to flashcore
Yes we should outlaw unions and let our corporate overlords rule without any restriction. Part time employees have no benefits and make a lot less money. What about their families?
You're probably paid to post crap or own VZW shares.
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| said by Anonymous:Yes we should outlaw unions and let our corporate overlords rule without any restriction. Without any restriction? Funny, I could have sworn we had labor laws that now protect the vast majority of what unions were originally created to accomplish. |
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| reply to ITALIAN926
said by ITALIAN926:The CWA which is completely against this cable deal, funny, you guys were all FOR the T & Tmo deal.
Aren't the employees of TWC free to organize themselves? |
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skohly
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Township Of Washington, NJ | reply to Woody79_00
said by Woody79_00:How pathetic to be on here cheering for someone to lose their job...
Look im not a union member, never have been...but its makes me sick to see some of the comments on here. These CWA are people with families.....The most Un-American thing someone can do is to wish ill will to another hard working American.
This has nothing to do with Unions...its about general principle and practice. You never want to see anyone lose their job....
Also your forgetting that these CWA people are middle class workers who pay more in taxes then most people on these forums (probably including you)....so if this goes down...the government is going to lose all that income tax money....which will just further this nations financial problems.
But go ahead and keep trumpeting the corporate horn...while they outsource all the jobs (which will then pay taxes to india not america) and will further put this country into financial ruin...makes no sense to me...its like cutting off your head to save your arm...its insane.
Ha, the unions forever have rooted for NON union Americans to lose their jobs. |
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CXM_SplicerLooking at the bigger picturePremium
join:2011-08-11
NYC
kudos:1 | quote:
Ha, the unions forever have rooted for NON union Americans to lose their jobs.
HAHAHA, ridiculous! The only thing the unions wish on non-union WORKERS is to UNIONIZE!! |
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I'll bet the last buggy whip manufacturing company in Detroit had union members screaming about the company not treating their workers fairly because they were switching over to making car horns and they no longer needed buggy whip making union labor.
Companies are not in business so you can have a job. They hire you to help do a job. If the job no longer needs to exist, the need for your help no longer exists.
No, I don't work for Telcom, just a systems engineer in an unrelated industry. But seriously, get over yourself unions. |
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·Verizon FiOS
| reply to flashcore
said by flashcore:All Verizon has to do is wait for the next strike They haven't even settled the last one yet. Geeeesh
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| reply to ITALIAN926
Its funny how some people's minds work We are supposed to accept the pay levels of CEO's and upper management unquestionably, but when our next door neighbor makes more than 30K per year because they are in a union they are suddenly horrible leaches on society that need to be brought down. No wonder why the middle class is disappearing. It has turned against itself. |
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Re: shrug.. I'm cheering to eliminate the CWA and the workers who support the scum union officials by paying dues as they are part of the problem, if they want to work for a reasonable wage and benefits then fine but if they are going to support the scum running the unions then they deserve to go as well.
The fact is that the unions are part of why this country is going to hell faster and faster, they expect there members to get all these perks and when shit starts hitting the fan they refuse to take any responsibility for the mess that they have caused and expect to be payed the same old salary and pay next to nothing for there premier benefit plans.
Before you start bitching about me being for the CEOs and board members, I am against them too but that is a whole other story that I am not going to start bring up on here.
And before you start bashing the above, the fact is I am stuck in a union paying dues for shit I do not support (Basically any democrat campaign that my money gets funneled into which is most), I want to opt out but there is no option to do so due to who I work for so I am stuck and due to health issues I don't have the luxury of finding another job without a union or decent benefits. Additionally I do not get paid the same kind of salary that a CWA worker or the like get paid, I am underpaid for the work I do but the benefits make up for the screw job on my pay so in the end I make about what an average worker in my field would make. |
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CXM_SplicerLooking at the bigger picturePremium
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·Verizon FiOS
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And before you start bashing the above, the fact is I am stuck in a union paying dues for shit I do not support (Basically any democrat campaign that my money gets funneled into which is most), I want to opt out but there is no option to do so
Haha So you would rather support a people that want to lower your quality of living?
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I am underpaid for the work I do but the benefits make up for the screw job on my pay so in the end I make about what an average worker in my field would make.
Hmmm, 'about'? You mean 'a little more than'? When you say average worker you mean non-union workers?
If you are really against unions then why don't you simply quit and start your own business? After all, that what the republicans would suggest you do... stop stealing from some poor corporation and become a productive member of the business community. |
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| reply to ITALIAN926
and those same CWA "members" are making the same money working at the local University as well answering phones all day eh? I'm sure- another way to screw the state budgets. |
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| reply to CXM_Splicer
for what reason? Non-union employees on average make MORE per hour and get more than a union employee. By the time they take out their "dues" out of a pay check the person makes the same as they did or even LESS and don't even get SHIT.
Unions are NOT worth it and have no place in today's world. The USA has laws and guidelines in place to protect workers. Unions are done, stick a fork in them. Move on and stop bitching. |
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CXM_SplicerLooking at the bigger picturePremium
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·Verizon FiOS
| Thats funny because I very often hear jealous non-union workers complaining that union workers are not worth the extra pay they get. Not all non-union workers are jealous, mind you, just the ones that have an obvious hatred for them. Here is one now:
said by NWOhio :If the Union did NOT exist the Auto makers would NOT have fallen apart. They wouldn't have been paying $45+ to someone to put a sticker on the side of the door, or to put a cover over a screw or even drill a screw in.
»Re: Foxconn?
Sorry, but you can't have it both ways. You come across as a union-hating fanboy for corporate power who will make up whatever he can to make unions look bad. Grow up. If you really do have your own business, then unions shouldn't be a problem for you. Stop whining.
Unions are needed just as much now as they were in the early 20th century. The guidelines that you claim protect workers rights are ignored and broken by corporations all the time. For instance, OSHA recently fined Verizon $140k for a tech that was electrocuted in Brooklyn. Companies ignore worker safety, they discriminate, they union-bust, they shield themselves from illegal activities through contractors, they violate consumer protection laws, child labor laws, tax laws, you name it. You propose that this would all simply go away if unions didn't exist?
So, tell me again corporate fanboy, why are unions outdated? |
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| reply to iceburg
said by iceburg:said by Anonymous:Yes we should outlaw unions and let our corporate overlords rule without any restriction. Without any restriction? Funny, I could have sworn we had labor laws that now protect the vast majority of what unions were originally created to accomplish. Yes, but with deregulation and non-enforcement (remember the RULE OF LAW?!?) of those laws.. you end up with public policies such as TOO BIG TO FAIL? How many big corporations are part of that gravy train?
I don't make these predictions as if I enjoy people losing good paying jobs with benefits, but understand misery loves company.. and those supporting those policies will exploit that to the detriment of the country (and the results of which are going to reach a tipping/boiling point sooner or later). What union leadership fails to understand is just supporting a party is not good enough.. they need to support the right policy ALL THE TIME-- regardless of which party, if any is on-board with that! Supporting AT&T and VERIZON when they made these anti-competitive moves to get bigger and greedier at the expense of consumers is a zero sum game and would inevitably result in the corporations stabbing the union in the back to have an even bigger advantage.. destroy a free market in favor of a monopoly and you have big Ma Bells all over again...
WHO could not foresee that upto 6 years ago when Verizon sold off copper networks? or 5 years ago when AT&T began reneging on commitments to the newly acquired Bell South?
For my two cents worth, until we reach a tipping/boil over point and a few inches past it, nothing serious will get done to fix it..
Not much ever gets done in this country without some blood and struggle that has any consequence..
Consumers should boycott AT&T and Verizon wireless. All things being equal.. the excuse that these companies have a better national voice footprint is moot. The race that's on is for the DATA (4g/LTE footprint) and that's not yet complete. They need elimination of the union labor force to make it happen at the ROI they're planning to deliver to wall street. It would be the BIGGEST slap in the face for them to waste several billion dollars on it and then not have a single customer sign up, knowing full well that it was in exchange for the American worker's dream of a decent honest way to make a living. |
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