KearnstdElf WizardPremium
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Mullica Hill, NJ | reply to Mele20
Re: Stranded jet-skier saunters through JFK safeguards said by Mele20:He swam three miles and then climbed the fence and walked across two runways and then approached a Delta worker on the tarmac near a gate.
The original article (not the Fox news article) said this:
"The highly touted PIDS system, which was first announced in 2009, has proven to be a boondoggle, having never fully come online after a series of troubling delays.
“The Port Authority PBA has been concerned about the failure of
the PIDS system for quite some time. We have brought this to the attention of former Executive Director Chris Ward, who failed to act,” Robert Egbert, spokesman for the PA PBA."
What is outrageous here is that he was arrested and charged with trespass. His only alternative was to drown along with his jet ski. Of course, he and his friends were acting stupid macho after having drinks at a local watering hole as they decided to race each other. His friends did not realize that his ski broke down and that they had left him behind. He then called his girlfriend who promised to send someone to tow him in who never showed up, thus, he swam the three miles.
If the details in the original article are correct then he had no choice except maybe call his girl friend again as the ski sank deeper? Charging him with trespass is absurd.
I am guessing the arrest is vital to security theater......
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Mele20Premium
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Hilo, HI
kudos:4 | I am wondering why there are only four news articles about this incident: FoxNews, The Daily Mail, Gothamist and the original article in the New York Post.
»news.google.com/news/story?q=str···kQqgIwAA
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KearnstdElf WizardPremium
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Mullica Hill, NJ | they do not want the fact that millions of dollars of tax money was completely wasted on a sensor system defeated by a guy with wet clothing and a leaking jet ski...
$100,000 in equipment could do better than that(ie a bunch of Police Impalas to drive around the perimeter roads with a guy holding a radio to call things in.)
the TSA and DHS could not secure a concrete room with one door.
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davePremium,MVM
join:2000-05-04
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kudos:8 | reply to Mele20
3 out of 4 of those are comic books (I don't know anything about the 'Gothamist'), so maybe it didn't actually happen like that?
The photo on the Gothamist (caption: "Casillo was wearing a bright yellow life jacket like the one above") isn't very inspiring either.
Yeah, yeah, I know: don't shoot the messenger. But surely when no respectable news organ has the story, it tells us something. |
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 SpyPremium
join:2001-09-22
NE | reply to goalieskates
that wasn't me. I was busy watching the bourne supremacy movie that night.  |
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 Name GamePremium
join:2002-07-07
North Myrtle Beach, SC
kudos:7 | reply to Mele20
Because you just let google tell you how many there were instead of you using search terms like jet skier+JFK.. that way you would have found more...then also cause sunday is a slow day...but here is some more.
Call for probe in jet ski JFK breach
The outraged head of the Port Authority police union today demanded an investigation into how a swamped jet skier was able to breach Kennedy Airport’s troubled $100 million security system.
Paul Nunziato, president of the authority’s PBA, will send a letter to PA big Patrick Foye “demanding a PA inspector’s general investigation into the failed Perimeter Intrusion Detection System, the cost over-runs and the relationship between the Port Authority and Raytheon, the vendor,” said Robert Egbert, a PBA spokesman.
The ballyhooed PIDS system, which was first announced in 2009, has proven to be a boondoggle, having never fully come online after a series of delays.
The PA, which runs the airport, says that it has stepped up patrols and is reviewing the incident and that it plans to meet with PIDS maker Raytheon this week about the breach.
a Raytheon rep said, “We are working closely with the Port Authority to determine what happened. “
»www.nypost.com/p/news/local/dema···XlO3UbGM
Last year at JFK there was a huge uproar over that same perimeter fence, when it was knocked out by weather and remained down for days.
New York Port Authority officials tell ABC News this time around they "took immediate action to increase its police presence with round the clock patrols of the facility's perimeter and increased patrols by boat of the surrounding waterway."
"We have called for an expedited review of the incident and a complete investigation to determine how Raytheon's perimeter intrusion detection system-which exceeds federal requirements-could be improved. Our goal is to keep the region's airports safe and secure at all times," the Port Authority said in a statement.
»abcnews.go.com/US/jet-skier-brea···16992190 
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Mele20Premium
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Hilo, HI
kudos:4 | said by Name Game:The way you searched forced google to only look for these terms.."stranded jet skier"
I did a regular Google search. Google doesn't let you search as you want to anymore. It gives you the search results after maybe three keystrokes. I could keep typing but Google has already found the results after three keystrokes and usually its auto suggestions that appear after just a couple of keystrokes are the same or better than what I intended to type. I didn't do a News search but a regular one (although with Google NO search is a "regular" search anymore) and then when it gave only 4 results that were relevant, I clicked on Google News and that is the url I posted...not the original search.
I just did the original search again and Google is now reporting CBS and Wall Street Journal articles too. But they are a joke. The Wall Street Journal should be ashamed of itself...mickey mouse reporting and all they did was repeat what the original NY Post said. No actual reporting by any of the sources. 
What does the weekend have to do with anything? News doesn't wait for Monday morning. This shows we no longer have access to news because no one is reporting.
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said by goalieskates:I wonder if this is the same system in use at Oak Ridge.
I'm still not sure if Oak Ridge's was a Raytheon product, although Raytheon is definitely in OR. But more light reading on their break-in:
Did PIDAS work? Conflicting reports (KNS / Munger)
quote:
National Nuclear Security Administration spokesman Steven Wyatt today said the federal agency stands by previous statements that a sensor on the PIDAS (perimeter intrusion detection and assessment system) triggered the response to Saturday's morning intrusion by peace protesters into the highest-security area at the Y-12 nuclear weapons plant.
There have been multiple reports from members of the Y-12 protective force indicating that there was no alarm triggered by the PIDAS, saying the initial response by security police was prompted by noise from the protesters -- who draped banners and painted messages on the exterior of the Highly Enriched Uranium Materials Facility.
Where's the Oversight at Nuclear Labs? (Project on Government Oversight) (picked up later by HuffPo) (contains multiple links)
quote:
Earlier in 2012, Independent Oversight reviewed the known problem with cameras, sensors, alarms and coordination with the central alarm station and the PIDAS (Perimeter Intrusion Detection and Assessment System) at Y-12. They found serious malfunctions in the system including some alarm systems, cameras and sensors that had been inoperable for nine months.
So both systems had known problems that didn't get fixed. We know now of 2 PIDAS systems bypassed by a nun and a jet-skier. Not bad guys looking to kill thousands by any stretch of the imagination.
DHS=boondoggle. |
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Name GamePremium
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2 edits | reply to Mele20
Baloney..this link you posted » news.google.com/news/story?q=str···kQqgIwAA it only searched for "stranded jet skier" as I stated, since all you did was hit the button for more stories..slow sunday had to do with the obvious..and they were all into the closing olympic thingie. ht tps://news.google.com/news/story?q= stranded+jet+skier&hl=en&lr=&prmd=imvnsu&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&biw=1169&bih=895&noj=1&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ncl=dIR2k-Ssm-2VVpMPhcKAyBgPPgojM&sa=X&ei=9Z8oUMjNIdDy2gWU8IBA&ved=0CBkQqgIwAA And google certainly does let you search for what one wants..I do it all the time so how many do you get here » www.google.com/search?q=Daniel+C···&bih=746(Page 10 of about 2,880 results (0.27 seconds))  --
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Mechanicsville, VA
1 edit | reply to dave
said by dave:3 out of 4 of those are comic books (I don't know anything about the 'Gothamist'), so maybe it didn't actually happen like that?
Just like ABC, NBC, and CBS too.
It is more like the three mentioned above don't want to bring light to the current administrations waste of tax payer money since they seem to be in bed with the current administration. |
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KearnstdElf WizardPremium
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ | reply to goalieskates
though to be fair, Perimeter motion sensing systems are a complete farce anyway. I bet they will find the one at JFK was shut off due to birds or other wildlife constantly triggering it.
Guessing this is why the government facilities that are in theory super secure(which it seems they arent in the case of Oak Ridge) are likely in the middle of no where... if backed against a sub-division the neighborhood kids would be throwing crap over the fence just to see how many guards come running when the motion alarms went off.
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Name GamePremium
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North Myrtle Beach, SC
kudos:7 | Alarms like that are more sophisticated now days..they can be adjusted to ignore by size and weight and other signatures /features that minimize false alarms and things like that. |
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This story (and discussion) reminds me of Mathias Rust who back in 1987 landed his small plane in Red Square (Moscow). The Soviets were not amused that all their air defenses were breached by an amateur.
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Name GamePremium
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North Myrtle Beach, SC
kudos:7 | reply to goalieskates
But this wasn’t just any ordinary fence. It was part of the Port Authority’s Perimeter Intrusion Detection System, or PIDS, backed up by motion sensors and closed-circuit cameras. None of the fancy gadgets managed to pick up the image of a lone figure scaling the fence, dripping wet and clad in a bright-yellow life jacket. Nor was Casillo detected when he crossed Runway 4L, where it intersects a second runway. In fact, he made it all the way to Terminal 3 without anyone noticing him. If he hadn’t flagged down a Delta worker on the tarmac outside the terminal, he might well have made it clear inside the building and out the other side to the taxi line. Instead, he was arrested by Port Authority police and charged with criminal trespass.» hotair.com/greenroom/archives/20···etected/--
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Greenwich, CT | reply to goalieskates
Did they not care that he could of died? Where else could he have gone? Sounds like they are trying to save face here. |
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kudos:7 | reply to MaynardKrebs
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kudos:1 | reply to Subaru
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ropeguruPremium
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Mechanicsville, VA
1 edit | reply to Mele20
said by Mele20:If the details in the original article are correct then he had no choice except maybe call his girl friend again as the ski sank deeper? Charging him with trespass is absurd.
Uh.. Last time I checked, cell phones could call 911 where he could have gotten help. No need for jumping a chain link fence, into a secure area to get help. |
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join:2000-10-05
Seaside, CA
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| Not knowing the details of the fence line, why couldn't he have just walked along the fence line until he got somewhere he could be noticed?
Even if he does get charged, public outrage over the incident will hopefully get them dropped. But of course, the officials in charge of security have to have some time to beat their chests first...
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