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Nick D
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join:2010-02-04
Orange, CA

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Re: Classes/Specs You're Terrible At

Or if you as a person do less DPS as Surv than Marks.

Which is the case that Cael noted.



Caelharrad

join:2012-04-13
Fenton, MO

said by Nick D:

Or if you as a person do less DPS as Surv than Marks.

Which is the case that Cael noted.

Correct. I am aware that simulations/theory as well as raid logs have established that survival is currently the optimal DPS spec for hunters. (Keep in mind that this has not always been the case; as recently as 4.1 marksman was the leading raid spec. I am not aware what optimal hunter DPS spec is in MoP beta.)
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I started off playing a hunter as BM, then switched to MM after about 6 weeks. I tried switching my offspec to SV when 4.2 hit, but I just could not get the hang of it. My brain was stuck in "MM mode". Also keep in mind that I am in a casual guild (family/friends) that very rarely raids, so I'm not feeling any pressure to switch to SV and spend hours training on dummies to squeeze out that last little bit of DPS.


Nick D
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My hunter skills are entirely limited to Surv, currently (I leveled as surv during 4.2 when it was terrible and was pleasantly surprised to find it useful in DS), and I'm curious what you find the hold back to be. It's one of the easiest specs I've played, once I got the hang of staring at my focus bar.

Do you have a hard time not Cobraing at least twice every time?

Does it feel weird to react to Lock n' Loads and fire off 3xExplosives?

Are you just not comfortable with the amount of Arcanes you can do while allowing you to Explosive on CD?

I'm basically using you as a case study here. It's one thing when you're bad at disparate classes (melee v ranged v dot v nuke v cooldown). But since the hunter specs are all pretty close in standard gameplay (build and dump focus being the primary mechanism), it's interesting that you're good at one and bad at another.



Caelharrad

join:2012-04-13
Fenton, MO

Cobra shotting isn't the issue, it's mainly reacting to LnL properly. Not many unexpected procs in MM, other than the occasional instant Aimed Shot. And, as you said, "staring at the focus bar"... with MM, I pretty much know what my focus is instinctively; I can do (chimera - 2x SS - ArcS - 2x SS - chimera) as my "maintenance rotation", and if I get a haste proc (or using rapid fire, obviously) I pay more attention to my focus bar to fit aimed shots in. Occasionally I'll end up with a bit more focus then normal, so a couple of extra arcane shots when needed. When I've tried SV, I end up watching my focus bar so much I end up losing situational awareness. "Hunter, don't stand in the bad. Purple shadow goo = ouch." I don't doubt that with more practice I could get to be at least passable with SV, there just isn't any need for it right now with my guild situation.



Suniojii

join:2009-10-31
Lakeside, CA

said by Caelharrad:

Cobra shotting isn't the issue, it's mainly reacting to LnL properly. Not many unexpected procs in MM, other than the occasional instant Aimed Shot. And, as you said, "staring at the focus bar"... with MM, I pretty much know what my focus is instinctively; I can do (chimera - 2x SS - ArcS - 2x SS - chimera) as my "maintenance rotation", and if I get a haste proc (or using rapid fire, obviously) I pay more attention to my focus bar to fit aimed shots in. Occasionally I'll end up with a bit more focus then normal, so a couple of extra arcane shots when needed. When I've tried SV, I end up watching my focus bar so much I end up losing situational awareness. "Hunter, don't stand in the bad. Purple shadow goo = ouch." I don't doubt that with more practice I could get to be at least passable with SV, there just isn't any need for it right now with my guild situation.

I rarely play my hunter, but last night during LFR i was 3rd in dps on ultraxion as Survival. It is hands down the easiest spec next to combat rogue. I was 3rd dps btw wielding a fishing pole on accident. What is hard about the LNL procs? It glows yellow, you hit it once, hit arcane shot once, then hit it again. Thats it...


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To be fair, I highly doubt Cael is saying, "zomg I can't break 20k as survival". He probably just can't squeeze out the dmg/dps to make in the same ball park as he does MM. There is good dps... and then there is masterful dps. When I play my wife's Surv Hunter, I can crank out up to 38k dps... she can do that while feeding our baby, clicking and mouse moving. Unfettered, she pulls 44k. Btw, I'm the one who researched and explained to her the shot priority, stat priority, gems/enchants... she just does it better than I do.
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