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Name Game
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National Weather Service Follows DHS In Huge Ammo Purchase


Hollow point bullets designed to cause maximum organ damage
Paul Joseph Watson

Tuesday, August 14, 2012
Why would the National Weather Service need to purchase large quantities of powerful ammo? That’s the question many are asking after the federal agency followed in the footsteps of the Department of Homeland Security in putting out a solicitation for 46,000 rounds of hollow point bullets.
A solicitation which appears on the FedBizOpps website asks for 16,000 rounds of .40 S&W jacketed hollow point (JHP) bullets, noted for their strength, to be delivered to locations in Ellsworth, Maine, and New Bedford, Mass.
A further 6,000 rounds of S&W JHP will be sent to Wall, New Jersey, with another 24,000 rounds of the same bullets heading to the weather station in St. Petersburg, Florida.
The solicitation also asks for 500 paper targets to be delivered to the same locations in Maine, Massachusetts and New Jersey.
The National Weather Service is is one of six scientific agencies that make up the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA).
The solicitation requires a response by August 21.

»www.infowars.com/national-weathe···urchase/
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IW, really??



Good going giving them thousands of hits and Google page rank thanks to DSLR's Google power.

Why is IW even allowed on here as a source, that isn't news it's FUD. Plus, that's an old story.
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You don't know what your talking about...first of all your IW phobia is out of place..and it is certainly not old news

This is the solication that came out 9 Aug..
»www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&···_cview=0

And this update was done today..

Posted at 12:45 PM ET, 08/14/2012
National Weather Service “ammunition” solicitation triggers confusion
By Jason Samenow
UPDATE, 1:07 p.m.

UPDATE: The Washington Post now reports, via a statement from NOAA spokesman Scott Smullen, that the original solicitation contained a “clerical error” and that the “solicitation for ammunition and targets for the NOAA Fisheries Office of Law Enforcement mistakenly identified NOAA’s National Weather Service as the requesting office.” This still doesn’t explain why hollow point bullets, designed to cause maximum organ damage, are needed for shooting at paper targets. Was the delivery of the bullets to the NWS a cover for them being transferred somewhere else? It’s entirely possible given the sordid history of Fast and Furious, a federal government program under which guns were sent directly to Mexican drug cartels.
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The NOAA Is Shopping For 46,000 Rounds Of Ammunition
»www.businessinsider.com/the-nati···n-2012-8

Guess they have lots of paper targets they want to shred.
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Normally I don't bother with Alex Jones's crap, but the story and posted link to FBO in the article piqued my interest.

After reading the linked FBO solicitation, it became interesting. A few minutes of research to find a current version of the solicitation and a corrected version cleared things up;

Solicitation Number:
DG-1330-12-RQ-1028
Notice Type:
Combined Synopsis/Solicitatio
Synopsis:
Added: Aug 09, 2012 3:43 pm Modified: Aug 14, 2012 1:44 pmTrack Changes
CANCELLATION NOTICE:This is a combined synopsis/solicitation for commercial items prepared ...

Source;
»www.fbo.gov/?s=opportunity&mode=···_cview=1

A corrected solicitation was issued August 14;

Synopsis:
Added: Aug 14, 2012 2:39 pm
COMBINED SYNOPSIS/SOLICITATION

Ammunition and Shooting Targets for National Marine Fisheries Service (NMFS), Office of Law Enforcement (OLE).

This FBO Notice corrects solicitation DG-1330-12-RQ-1028 that was previously posted through FEDBID and incorrectly identified the National Weather Service as the requesting agency. ...

Source:
»www.fbo.gov/?s=opportunity&mode=···_cview=0

So, the ammo and targets are for law enforcement. Big deal.

It doesn't take much of a researcher to do better than Alex and his band of conspiracy clowns. even I found the real story in less than ten minutes.

Edit -
The Marine Fisheries law enforcement is under NOAA which is under the Department of Commerce. See »www.nmfs.noaa.gov/ole/ -

When you're going after illegal fishermen, poachers and other people who often carry weapons and object to being arrested, it's a good idea to be a trained and armed LEO.


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Well done, EG.



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said by EGeezer:

Normally I don't bother with Alex Jones's crap, but the story and posted link to FBO in the article piqued my interest.

After reading the linked FBO solicitation, it became interesting. A few minutes of research to find a current version of the solicitation and a corrected version cleared things up;

Solicitation Number:
DG-1330-12-RQ-1028
Notice Type:
Combined Synopsis/Solicitatio
Synopsis:
Added: Aug 09, 2012 3:43 pm Modified: Aug 14, 2012 1:44 pmTrack Changes
CANCELLATION NOTICE:This is a combined synopsis/solicitation for commercial items prepared ...

Source;
»www.fbo.gov/?s=opportunity&mode=···_cview=1

A corrected solicitation was issued August 14;

Synopsis:
Added: Aug 14, 2012 2:39 pm
COMBINED SYNOPSIS/SOLICITATION

Ammunition and Shooting Targets for National Marine Fisheries Service (NMFS), Office of Law Enforcement (OLE).

This FBO Notice corrects solicitation DG-1330-12-RQ-1028 that was previously posted through FEDBID and incorrectly identified the National Weather Service as the requesting agency. ...

Source:
»www.fbo.gov/?s=opportunity&mode=···_cview=0

So, the ammo and targets are for law enforcement. Big deal.

It doesn't take much of a researcher to do better than Alex and his band of conspiracy clowns. even I found the real story in less than ten minutes.

Edit -
The Marine Fisheries law enforcement is under NOAA which is under the Department of Commerce. See »www.nmfs.noaa.gov/ole/ -

When you're going after illegal fishermen, poachers and other people who often carry weapons and object to being arrested, it's a good idea to be a trained and armed LEO.

yes others did monday morning quarterbacking now that they just corrected it.

»www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/cap···log.html

So do you think the infowars article and the other posts out there is what gave them the wake up call to make the change and realize their mistake ??? I certainly do.

Just like here because of this thread..dslr is given credit for having Microsoft figure out they did a boo boo and they made the change. But it was a bloody headache for many for a long time and people a still posting they are confused. Go figure.
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When you look at the changes from August 9 - 14, it was bouncing back and forth between fisheries and NWS. The delivery addresses in all versions were specified to DOC, NOAA, NMFS, OLE at various geographic divisions. (NED, SED) DOC NMFS OLE is Department of Commerce, National Marine Fisheries Services, Office of Law Enforcement. NED and SED are Northeast and Southeast Divisions.

Those familiar with corporate and governmental infighting may find this theory familiar. I believe this is the most likely explanation;

Some NOAA accounting clerk was trying to figure out the right account for budgeting purposes, and was being whiplashed by dueling directors who wanted the other guy to take the expense charge-back. They finally got it so screwed up they canceled the entire solicitation notice and issued a new one after Fisheries lost the battle.

A google of a 130 Oak Street Ellsworth ME delivery address shows US Customs and Marine Fisheries are there - along with AAA, an accounting office and a massage parlor .

Ah, well - it was fun while it lasted. I'm surprised Alex didn't hop on the massage parlor connection - Game wardens, contraband lobsters, firearms, a travel agent and a masseuse..

Whoa, Nellie, what a porn flick that would make...



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Careful there..you'll give him some ideas for the next news flash.

What you described I ran into also as a beltway bandit..sometimes for the black programs..money went one way..hardware the other..guess it's time to write another white paper and get it funded.



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Bob told me that's how it all went down.



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said by EGeezer:

Game wardens, contraband lobsters, firearms, a travel agent and a masseuse hookers...

fixed.

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good looking hookers I hope...paper bags are in short supply

»www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&···_cview=0



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Just req them from National Supply Services. Done!



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...

Custom Paper Bag, 70/70 double-wall 6000 EA

74" Long X 16" Wide X 10" Gusset

Gusseted 5" each side and sewn at the bottom 16" Seam

Maybe the bags are for giraffes' heads, not hookers -

The porn aspect gets more and more weird. Bob is behind this.


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Ooo! Hookers in paper bags. Take-out!



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Alex Jones is one of the good guys bud,he is trying to get the word out!!!! (Its unknown if he is an insider who is secretly trying to help or not.. (Like Wikileaks.org for example (A CIA frontsite to release info they would not otherwise admit to (It sure seems like it is))))



I have no idea why the weather service needs all this ammo!!!! (Unless they are scared that ppl are getting tired of thier crappy forecasting )



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Re: National Weather Service Follows DHS In Huge Ammo Purchase

Posting a crackpot site sans analysis did is just sad.

Anyone even tangentially familiar with federal LE knows they practice with what they carry. And calling .40 S&W a "powerful" round in this context is FUD--most special agents carry .40 S&W. That Jones even cites paper targets in the same article with a straight face is beyond sad and reveals his goal of delivering half the facts out of context so everyone gets spun up about an all-too-powerful federal government arming every single agency to put down the inevitable Alex Jones-led insurrection.

And did anyone stop and consider the time of year? Not only is this summer heat getting to Mr. Jones, but the end of the Fiscal Year is coming up and nearly every federal agency is receiving huge cuts (or at least having their budget frozen) come October 1. Hence all the large, rushed RFQs and bids.
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No but did search for the last time or anytime that the agency that is really getting all these rounds..actually fired off any shots or used their weapon against people of interest..did not find any..how about you ?

Guess they are all just for practice ?



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Yes, they are mostly "just for practice" (not sure what you are implying with the "just"). You don't need to find the last time a special agent put 16,000 rounds into a bad guy--they will burn through that ammo regardless: I'm not sure what the allotment is now, but in the past, agencies issued, to each firearm user, 1000-2000 rounds a year for practice and qualification (and they may have to qualify each month or quarter).

16,000 rounds sounds like a lot, but is really only enough for ~8 agents. You're really killing me here. Please don't ask why federal special agents need to shoot 1000-2000 rounds a year...
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said by Krisnatharok:

... Please don't ask why federal special agents need to shoot 1000-2000 rounds a year...

It's a good reason to get out of the office and onto the range when the weather's nice... and you can always pretend that target circle's the jerk in upper management who's holding up your ammo requisition.
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Alex Jones is one of the good guys bud,he is trying to get the word out!!!! (Its unknown if he is an insider who is secretly trying to help or not..

Actually, it IS known whether or not Alex Jones is an "insider". He's not. He's an Austin, TX radio host and filmmaker who has made a buck off of being a conspiracy theorist. He has no more special access to information than you do. I doubt he even believes half of the crap on Infowars. But he's happy to fleece other conspiracy theorists on the Internet and amongst his radio audience to make a buck or two.
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Re: National Weather Service Follows DHS In Huge Ammo Purchase

This Is Why NOAA Supposedly Ordered 46,000 Rounds Of Ammunition

Last night's post mentions that the "NOAA overseas the National Marine Fisheries Service, which is responsible for all U.S. marine resources. The acquisition mentions this agency, NMFS and the OLE — Office of law Enforcement."
The reason for the number of rounds is explained in a follow up question:
Agents and officers are required to have 200 rounds in his or her duty bag, and twice-a-year firearm qualification and training calls for agents to use another 500-600 rounds. In addition, firearms instructors with more than one pistol may need more rounds in a year. In 2011, the guidance was that each agent and officer would need 700 rounds per year to meet these requirements.
Smullen says there are 111 special agents and 23 enforcement officers, bringing the total number of OLE agents to 134. "And here," he says, "is a succinct way of explaining what OLE folks do:"
NOAA officers and agents enforce the nation's ocean and fishing laws to ensure a level playing field for fishermen and to protect marine species like whales, dolphins and turtles.
From the NOAA Office of Law Enforcement website:
NOAA's Office of Law Enforcement is dedicated to enforcing laws that conserve and protect our nation's living marine resources and their natural habitat. Our goal is to assure that the many people who enjoy these resources for recreation or rely on them for business follow the rules that will maintain the species for future generations.
NOAA's Office of Law Enforcement protects fish stocks from depletion and marine mammals from extinction. We also protect the livelihoods of commercial fishers, the hobbies of recreational fishers, and the health of seafood consumers.
Extensive Area of Jurisdiction
NOAA's Office of Law Enforcement is responsible for carrying out more than 35 federal statutes. The agency's jurisdiction spans more than 3 million square miles of open ocean, more than 85,000 miles of U.S. coastline, the country's 13 National Marine Sanctuaries and its Marine National Monuments. It's also responsible for enforcing U.S. treaties and international law governing the high seas and international trade.
»www.businessinsider.com/this-is-···n-2012-8


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But you wouldn't hear any of that from Infowars. It's all about the impending usurpation of the Constitution by DHS.



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DHS in the process of ordering another 750M rounds.
I guess that's one way to increase GDP.
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said by Krisnatharok:

But you wouldn't hear any of that from Infowars. It's all about the impending usurpation of the Constitution by DHS.

True maybe..but infowars also lets people comment on the articles presented and you will find this in the comments.

Bloogooze says:
August 15, 2012 at 9:08 am
As a long timer range officer of a large police academy, I can tell you that the cartridges they bought are MUCH more expensive than the wadcutters normally used in training, and would not be used for practice unless the agency had money to burn…..something I have never seen.

Most bloggers just put the stuff out there and let it live forever in the net without any follow up.
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Time to get ready


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said by EUS:

DHS in the process of ordering another 750M rounds.
I guess that's one way to increase GDP.

Are those longs or shorts ? I think we should watch our Gross domestic product and not share it with just everyone.

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It's the new "be accurate with weather or die" campaign.



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Maybe in response to a "Hey, Weatherman!" *Splat* moment.

Expand your moderator at work