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said by Dude111:

Alex Jones is one of the good guys bud,he is trying to get the word out!!!! (Its unknown if he is an insider who is secretly trying to help or not..

Actually, it IS known whether or not Alex Jones is an "insider". He's not. He's an Austin, TX radio host and filmmaker who has made a buck off of being a conspiracy theorist. He has no more special access to information than you do. I doubt he even believes half of the crap on Infowars. But he's happy to fleece other conspiracy theorists on the Internet and amongst his radio audience to make a buck or two.
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Re: National Weather Service Follows DHS In Huge Ammo Purchase

This Is Why NOAA Supposedly Ordered 46,000 Rounds Of Ammunition

Last night's post mentions that the "NOAA overseas the National Marine Fisheries Service, which is responsible for all U.S. marine resources. The acquisition mentions this agency, NMFS and the OLE — Office of law Enforcement."
The reason for the number of rounds is explained in a follow up question:
Agents and officers are required to have 200 rounds in his or her duty bag, and twice-a-year firearm qualification and training calls for agents to use another 500-600 rounds. In addition, firearms instructors with more than one pistol may need more rounds in a year. In 2011, the guidance was that each agent and officer would need 700 rounds per year to meet these requirements.
Smullen says there are 111 special agents and 23 enforcement officers, bringing the total number of OLE agents to 134. "And here," he says, "is a succinct way of explaining what OLE folks do:"
NOAA officers and agents enforce the nation's ocean and fishing laws to ensure a level playing field for fishermen and to protect marine species like whales, dolphins and turtles.
From the NOAA Office of Law Enforcement website:
NOAA's Office of Law Enforcement is dedicated to enforcing laws that conserve and protect our nation's living marine resources and their natural habitat. Our goal is to assure that the many people who enjoy these resources for recreation or rely on them for business follow the rules that will maintain the species for future generations.
NOAA's Office of Law Enforcement protects fish stocks from depletion and marine mammals from extinction. We also protect the livelihoods of commercial fishers, the hobbies of recreational fishers, and the health of seafood consumers.
Extensive Area of Jurisdiction
NOAA's Office of Law Enforcement is responsible for carrying out more than 35 federal statutes. The agency's jurisdiction spans more than 3 million square miles of open ocean, more than 85,000 miles of U.S. coastline, the country's 13 National Marine Sanctuaries and its Marine National Monuments. It's also responsible for enforcing U.S. treaties and international law governing the high seas and international trade.
»www.businessinsider.com/this-is-···n-2012-8


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But you wouldn't hear any of that from Infowars. It's all about the impending usurpation of the Constitution by DHS.



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DHS in the process of ordering another 750M rounds.
I guess that's one way to increase GDP.
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said by Krisnatharok:

But you wouldn't hear any of that from Infowars. It's all about the impending usurpation of the Constitution by DHS.

True maybe..but infowars also lets people comment on the articles presented and you will find this in the comments.

Bloogooze says:
August 15, 2012 at 9:08 am
As a long timer range officer of a large police academy, I can tell you that the cartridges they bought are MUCH more expensive than the wadcutters normally used in training, and would not be used for practice unless the agency had money to burn…..something I have never seen.

Most bloggers just put the stuff out there and let it live forever in the net without any follow up.
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Time to get ready


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said by EUS:

DHS in the process of ordering another 750M rounds.
I guess that's one way to increase GDP.

Are those longs or shorts ? I think we should watch our Gross domestic product and not share it with just everyone.

»www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08···ke-suit/
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It's the new "be accurate with weather or die" campaign.



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Maybe in response to a "Hey, Weatherman!" *Splat* moment.

Expand your moderator at work


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Re: National Weather Service Follows DHS In Huge Ammo Purchase

said by Name Game:

Are those longs or shorts ? I think we should watch our Gross domestic product and not share it with just everyone.

»www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08···ke-suit/

Hm, I'm no expert, there's quite a few different descriptions: »www.fbo.gov/utils/view?id=82ebb7···10c225b3
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said by Dude111:

Alex Jones is one of the good guys bud,he is trying to get the word out!!!! (Its unknown if he is an insider who is secretly trying to help or not.. (Like Wikileaks.org for example (A CIA frontsite to release info they would not otherwise admit to (It sure seems like it is))))

I have no idea why the weather service needs all this ammo!!!! (Unless they are scared that ppl are getting tired of thier crappy forecasting )

OH NOES!!!!1111
what happened to your caps lock?
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Re: National Weather Service Follows DHS In Huge Ammo Purchase

said by Mike:

It's the new "be accurate with weather or die" campaign.

Another blogger suggested it was.."accept Global warming or else".. EPA might not be the only agency to enforce global warming policy, now that the chief is buying up $2Om of catfish.
»washingtonexaminer.com/examiner-···5291lREP
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said by Name Game:

This Is Why NOAA Supposedly Ordered 46,000 Rounds Of Ammunition


NOAA officers and agents enforce the nation's ocean and fishing laws to ensure a level playing field for fishermen and to protect marine species like whales, dolphins and turtles.
From the NOAA Office of Law Enforcement website:
NOAA's Office of Law Enforcement is dedicated to enforcing laws that conserve and protect our nation's living marine resources and their natural habitat. Our goal is to assure that the many people who enjoy these resources for recreation or rely on them for business follow the rules that will maintain the species for future generations.
NOAA's Office of Law Enforcement protects fish stocks from depletion and marine mammals from extinction. We also protect the livelihoods of commercial fishers, the hobbies of recreational fishers, and the health of seafood consumers.
Extensive Area of Jurisdiction
NOAA's Office of Law Enforcement is responsible for carrying out more than 35 federal statutes. The agency's jurisdiction spans more than 3 million square miles of open ocean, more than 85,000 miles of U.S. coastline, the country's 13 National Marine Sanctuaries and its Marine National Monuments. It's also responsible for enforcing U.S. treaties and international law governing the high seas and international trade.
»www.businessinsider.com/this-is-···n-2012-8

so if someone went all "Whale Wars" on US Flagged fishing ships, these are the guys that would "take them out".
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said by Name Game:

Bloogooze says:
August 15, 2012 at 9:08 am
As a long timer range officer of a large police academy, I can tell you that the cartridges they bought are MUCH more expensive than the wadcutters normally used in training, and would not be used for practice unless the agency had money to burn…..something I have never seen.

Most bloggers just put the stuff out there and let it live forever in the net without any follow up.

Perhaps for a local department, but federal agents do things differently. True, likely; relevant, perhaps not.
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Still looking for info when any have ever used weapons and fired rounds to enforce any laws. In Alaska I know they do have a tough road to haul on enforcement.

»www.nmfs.noaa.gov/ole/ak_alaska.html



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quote:
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Ah man!!


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Re: National Weather Service Follows DHS In Huge Ammo Purchase

The Navy?



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I do realize FY12 ends September 30th there is a mad dash in all areas of government to spend unused monies. More ammo being bought up by (DOC) Department of Commerce, (NOAA) National Oceanic and Atmospheric Agency/Western Aquisition Division. It is mind blowing how much ammo is being bought by different divisions across the US.

I also realize that most federal agencies have some type of special agent, including the following:

Central Intelligence Agency (CIA)
Department of Agriculture (USDA)
Department of Commerce (USDOC)
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA)
Office of Export Enforcement (OEE)
Department of Health and Human Services (HHS)
Food and Drug Administration (FDA)
FDA Office of Criminal Investigations (OCI)
Department of Education (ED)
United States Department of Labor (DOL-OIG) –
Office of Labor Racketeering and Fraud Investigations
United States Office of Personnel Management
Federal Investigative Services Division (OPM-FISD)
Department of State
U.S. Diplomatic Security Service (DSS) (FS-2501)
Department of Transportation (DOT)
Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA)
Federal Aviation Administration (FAA)
Department of the Treasury
IRS Criminal Investigation Division (IRS-CID)
United States Mint Police
Bureau of Engraving and Printing Police
Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration (TIGTA)
Postal Service (USPS)
United States Postal Inspection Service (USPIS—not an Inspector General)
United States Environmental Protection Agency (EPA)
All 64 federal Offices of Inspector General (OIG)

Many of these little pockets of specialized law enforcement could be wrapped into the FBI who has the authority to enforce all federal laws.

As pointed out at another forum:

However, as will all federal agencies the quest for influence and ever increasing budgets and "turf wars" result in much more redundancy than is needed. The Director of NOAA doesn’t want to ask for someone to enforce his will he wants to have his own agents that he can hire and fire if they don't play ball. It’s really as simple as that. This gives him power and more authority and more management positions for his buddies and so forth. However, it’s part of the huge burden we enjoy as taxpayers.

All these government employees are power hungry. Been there, seen it, and (hides in shame) done it actually. It’s the end game of many years of Empire building.NOAA does have a weather division but also one that enforces fishery laws like lobster quotas and import tags on fish and seafood. Totally useless IMO since the function could be better performed by local fish and wildlife regarding illegal taking out of season etc. or by customs for import issues.

Way too many law enforcement agencies out there - the FBI in theory could handle all of the federal law from the EPA to the FDA assign an agent to the technical experts in the field and when comes time for an arrest you have someone there who can do it. They do a short tour there learn a new area then move on much like Soldiers do throughout their careers. Then when they become a SAIC they have a broad background in federal law enforcement. As I said earlier in this thread I think the problem or reason we have all these little agencies and pockets of law enforcement if primarily the ego and turf wars that run rampant throughout the halls of the government service. At one point presumably the Director of NOAA had to ask someone else for assistance in enforcement and didn’t like having to sell his position rather than just ordering things done so he lobbied and won more money, authority and people to expand his little empire.

After that no subsequent appointee to the position will ever lobby for less of anything, people, money or control than they already have… At no point is any director, leader or project manager in the government going to advocate for a decrease in his own budget or sphere of influence. Imagine going to your boss and saying well, I have too much, authority, responsibility and money and we could reduce the size of the organization to save the taxpayers some money. He’d last about 6 minutes – there is never a reward for the truth in the government service. Loyalty is however, rewarded very well.

No government employee is going to get promoted for overseeing a decrease in spending even if that is a good thing. They are rewarded with larger spheres of influence and larger budgets for increasing their services not reducing them.

A government bureaucrat is a poor steward of the public trust as his/her livelihood and promotion potential are linked directly to increasing sphere of influence his organization has – the more influence the more budget the bigger budget the more people, the more people the more mangers, the more managers the more the director can influence the political agenda.


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FWIW, now the Social Security Administration is joining in the ammo-stockpiling gig... Social Security Administration To Purchase 174 Thousand Rounds Of Hollow Point Bullets. Guess those geezers on Social Security out there are a real civil threat...
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Ok, I think I've figured this all out. Stay with me here.

Lead = toxic heavy metal
Ammunition = uses lead
Save the environment = buy up all the lead
Gummint agencies = purchase a lot of ammunition

QED
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said by StuartMW:

Ok, I think I've figured this all out. Stay with me here.

Lead = toxic heavy metal
Ammunition = uses lead
Save the environment = buy up all the lead
Gummint agencies = purchase a lot of ammunition

QED

One problem: doesn't the use of hollow points undercut the amount of lead used in each bullet?
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One problem: doesn't the use of hollow points undercut the amount of lead used in each bullet?

By a small amount meaning they have to stockpile even more ammo
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said by StuartMW:

... By a small amount meaning they have to stockpile even more ammo

Ahh...! Thanks for clearing that up... I didn't realize it also functions as another stimulus program.
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See, when you use gummint "logic" it all makes sense. Oh wait ...
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said by Blackbird:

FWIW, now the Social Security Administration is joining in the ammo-stockpiling gig... Social Security Administration To Purchase 174 Thousand Rounds Of Hollow Point Bullets. Guess those geezers on Social Security out there are a real civil threat...

Geezer target for use by Social Security (don't call us SS) cops. Coming soon: silhouettes of wheelchair and walker users.
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Have you ever had a senior tell you "get off my lawn!"?

You'd want to be armed too

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Not only has the Social Security Administration purchased multithousands of rounds of hollow point bullets but so have the Department of Homeland Security and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

Sources have further indicated that ammunition and firearms have been delivered to multiple agencies of the federal government, including the Environmental Protection Agency, the Department of Education, the Department of Health and Human Services, and the Internal Revenue Service, among others.

»www.examiner.com/article/more-fe···-of-ammo


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said by Blackbird:

said by StuartMW:

... By a small amount meaning they have to stockpile even more ammo

Ahh...! Thanks for clearing that up... I didn't realize it also functions as another stimulus program.

As I recall all these three letter agency shooters where told this year they could get on board with the stimulus and have real body targets to practice this year.

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuJklDjd···&list=UL


We were going to make a casing mold of Heather's torso so we could make a balistics gel casing to shoot up with all our guns but this is our first time trying to life cast something so it didn't turn out the way we needed it to and will have to try again. But we thought you guys might like to see the video of this atempt!



Close enough for govt work

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said by Name Game:

this is not a political forum

The reality is, people who post links to a political forum (and don't try and tell me inforwars is not political) turn this into a political forum.