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Name Game
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Re: National Weather Service Follows DHS In Huge Ammo Purchase

Thank you... I have let slip the dogs with spoils of war in your honor. I'll pay the dry cleaning bill


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Awesome. dogs with spoils of war.



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That would help explain why the 'ICE over run' hit the civilian market about this time last year, assuming that was from a one year ID/IQ contract as well.

Interesting that Federal won this one with their LE part number(XM223SP1) as well as the part from Speer LE (CS24450). Both are ATK subsidaries. When DHS starts solicitations from ATK Defense/Armament Systems instead of the ATK Sporting/Law Enforcement Division , then start worrying..........
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said by Name Game:

needs to add women own too.

Many women could fulfill the orders from their own personal ammunition supplies.

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Re: National Weather Service Follows DHS In Huge Ammo Purchase

said by EGeezer:

said by Name Game:

needs to add women own too.

Many women could fulfill the orders from their own personal ammunition supplies.

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my, it looks like she's ready to cock that thing.
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Ya......This whole thing is crazy!



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Re: National Weather Service Follows DHS In Huge Ammo Purchase

Social Security Administration Explains Plan to Buy 174,000 Hollow-Point Bullets

»cnsnews.com/news/article/social-···-bullets

Sounds to me like the more people they process.... the more bullets they need..
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said by Name Game:

Social Security Administration Explains Plan to Buy 174,000 Hollow-Point Bullets

»cnsnews.com/news/article/social-···-bullets

Sounds to me like the more people they process.... the more bullets they need..

Plus... it dovetails nicely with the alleged "death panels"...
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Well a .22 to the back of the head is a lot cheaper... But then gummint isn't known for efficiency.
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said by StuartMW:

... But then gummint isn't known for efficiency.

Nor their proficiency in aiming, if they figure they'll need ~600 rounds per agent next year for training. The .357 provides a much better margin of close-in error. And I think you did state in another post that the larger caliber bullets are more environmentally sound since they tie up more noxious lead...
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Id still like to know when they are going to put back all that SS money back into the fund that for years they plunked in the General Fund..spent it.. and then put IOU's into the SS fund then retired themselves with their double dipping govt employee fund and laughed at us all the way to the bank. One of those out of site out of mind that both parties were famous for.

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.22, .223, what's a few thousandths? Close enough for Gubberment work.

I like the "maximum organ damage" meme though. I guess they're less effective against pianos? Do the churches and ballparks of the US have more to fear now?

As Harry Caray used to say about Wrigley Field's instrument: "When you're out of Hammond you're out of organ!"

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said by Name Game:

Id still like to know when they are going to put back all that SS money back into the fund that for years they plunked in the General Fund..spent it.. and then put IOU's into the SS fund then retired themselves with their double dipping govt employee fund and laughed at us all the way to the bank. One of those out of site out of mind that both parties were famous for. ...

Not to worry. Just like the national debt, we only owe it to ourselves... whatever that means...

How'd that old song go? "Don't worry, just be happy..."
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Law enforcement is much the same for NOAA as for SJPD. Maybe we should take the arms away from all of the police?
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Your words not mine..and that is not really the issue.



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Not the arms, just the bullets.



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said by Name Game:

Your words not mine..and that is not really the issue.

What is the issue? LEA uses hollowpoint ammunition; whether SJPD, SCCSD, CHiP, FBI, or NOAA. Only other rounds which will properly cycle through Glocks, Sig Saurs, and the like is FMJ (Full Metal Jacket). Guess we ought to take away all of the police autoloading arms; require LEA to go back to six-shot revolvers with round nose, or semi-wadcutter lead projectiles.
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said by NormanS:

What is the issue? LEA uses hollowpoint ammunition; whether SJPD, SCCSD, CHiP, FBI, or NOAA. Only other rounds which will properly cycle through Glocks, Sig Saurs, and the like is FMJ (Full Metal Jacket). Guess we ought to take away all of the police autoloading arms; require LEA to go back to six-shot revolvers with round nose, or semi-wadcutter lead projectiles.

Then only the criminal will have automatic weapons and, of course, the general public.
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Then only the criminal will have automatic weapons and, of course, the general public.

I am thinking that is the point of this thread; strip the police of one of the tools of their trade.
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I see you would like to make it that way..and just repeated the same..so will leave you too it..I think there is too much duplication out there in all of these special quasi-special agents and they should fall under a single three letter govt agency so there is consistency across the field. I also think a few of them are not needed and should be combined. Same with buying ammo. We do know most of this is happening so they don't loose end of the year money..that is disconcerting not only for these purchase but other solicitations..and at this late date in the physical year..there is also a tendency for sole source stuff so it all get in on time..that game is played too much and it also usually means higher cost..I have seen this happen were they then pay three time the actual cost or more. I doubt if it is poor planning but rather greed.
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said by Name Game:

I see you would like to make it that way..and just repeated the same..so will leave you too it..I think there is too much duplication out there in all of these special quasi-special agents and they should fall under a single three letter govt agency ...

Yet you focused on ammunition purchase, not the redundant agencies.
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I agree with a bunch of what you are saying about the year end purchasing. Happens every year in my office as well. Many of the departments we support try to husband their funds and only in the 4th quarter do they realize that they have money they probably won't use. Not only do we get a lot of new purchase requests but also a lot of requests to de-obligate funds on contracts that won't be used.

The real sad part of the game is that there is no incentive for an agency to not use all of their budget for the fiscal year. So they try to spend it all. I really wish someone could think of a way that would reward an agency for saving money (not spending it) which would not punish the agency with a small budget the next FY.

BTW: a lot of it that I see, is poor planning by the activity.
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And you focused and seem to get out of the thread "strip the police " and that is so far off base..best to go back to the range and qualify.



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said by Name Game:

And you focused and seem to get out of the thread "strip the police " and that is so far off base..best to go back to the range and qualify.

I just followed another poster's lead. Sorry.
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Understand..but I hope no one who posts starts thinking we not only honor our law enforcement officers..we have a deep respect for what they do out there..but all this is about a rash of ammo now being purchased at unprecedented levels of unverifiable productivity....unless you are really into the conspiracy theories that it is a build up to handle the impending civil unrest.

The presidents have issued some very strange Executive Orders lately leaving many people worried and confused.

EO 10990 allows the Government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.
EO 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels, and minerals.
EO 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision
EO 11002 designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons.
EO 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.
EO 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate and establish new locations for populations.
EO 11005 allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways, and public storage facilities.
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Just have to point out that all of those EO's that you listed have been revoked. Some have been updated into newer EOs. That first one, 10990, created a safety council on workplace safety and has nothing to do with taking over transportation.

The few that have survived as other EOs merely assigns different govt agencies to work and plan with state and local govts as well as private industry on how to recover in the event of a large scale emergency. These types of EOs have been around since the 1950s. The current round of EOs that Obama signed mostly just update the federal agencies since previous versions do not mention DHS (it didn't exist in previous versions.
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said by Name Game:

The presidents have issued some very strange Executive Orders lately leaving many people worried and confused.

EO 10990 allows the Government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.

I did a quick look at EO 10990. From »www.archives.gov/federal-registe···ion.html -

Executive Order 10990
Reestablishing the Federal Safety Council
Signed: February 2, 1962
Federal Register page and date: 27 FR 1065, February 6, 1962
Revokes: EO 10194, December 19, 1950
Superseded by: EO 11612, July 26, 1971

Executive Order 11612
Occupational safety and health programs for Federal employees
Signed: July 26, 1971
Federal Register page and date: 36 FR 13891; July 28, 1971
Supersedes: EO 10990, February 2, 1962
Superseded by: EO 11807, September 28, 1974
See: EO 11654, March 13, 1972; EO 13585, September 30, 2011

Executive Order 11807
Occupational safety and health programs for Federal employees
Signed: September 28, 1974
Federal Register page and date: 39 FR 35559; October 2, 1974
Supersedes: EO 11612, July 26, 1971
Federal Advisory Council on Occupational Safety and Health continued by: EO 11827, January 4, 1975; EO 11948, December 20, 1976; EO 12110, December 28, 1978
Revoked by: EO 12196, February 26, 1980

Executive Order 12196
Occupational safety and health programs for Federal employees
Signed: February 26, 1980
Federal Register page and date: 45 FR 12769; February 27, 1980
Revokes: EO 11807, September 28, 1974
Amended by: EO 12223, June 30, 1980; EO 12258, December 31, 1980; EO 12399, December 12, 1982; EO 12489, September 28, 1984; EO 12534, September 30, 1985; EO 12610, September 30, 1987; EO 12692, September 29, 1989; EO 12774, September 27, 1991; EO 12869, September 30, 1993; EO 12974, September 29, 1995; EO 13062, September 29, 1997; EO 12608, September 9, 1987; EO 13138, September 30, 1999; EO 13225, September 28, 2001; EO 13316, September 17, 2003; EO 13385, September 29, 2005
Continued by: EO 13446, September 28, 2007; EO 13511, September 29, 2009

Executive Order 13511
Continuance of Certain Federal Advisory Committees
Signed: September 29, 2009
Federal Register page and date: 74 FR 50909, October 1, 2009
Continues: EO 11145, March 7, 1964; EO 11183, October 3, 1964; EO 11287, June 28, 1966; EO 12131, May 4, 1979; EO 12196, February 26, 1980; EO 12216, June 18, 1980; EO 12367, February 15, 1982; EO 12382, September 13, 1982; EO 12905, March 25, 1994; EO 12994, March 21, 1996; EO 13226, September 30, 2001; EO 13231, October 16, 2001; EO 13256, February 12, 2002; EO 13265, June 6, 2002; EO 13270, July 3, 2002;
Supersedes in part: EO 13446, September 28, 2007
Superseded by: EO 13585, September 30, 2011

Executive Order 13585
Continuance of Certain Federal Advisory Committees

Signed: September 30, 2011
Federal Register page and date: 76 FR 62281, October 7, 2011
See: EO 11145, March 7, 1964; EO 11183, October 3, 1964; EO 11287, June 28, 1966; EO 11612, July 26, 1971; EO 12131, May 4, 1979; EO 12216, June 18, 1980; EO 12367, June 15, 1982; EO 12382, September 13, 1982; EO 12829, January 6, 1993; EO 12905, March 25, 1994; EO 12994, March 21, 1996; EO 13231, October 16, 2001; EO 13265, June 6, 2002; EO 13270, July 3, 2002; EO 13515, October 14, 2009; EO 13592, December 2, 2011
Supersedes: EO 13511, September 29, 2009
Amends: EO 13515, October 14, 2009

See »www.archives.gov/federal-registe···ion.html

I didn't see anything in the order about empowering the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports, but then I just looked at the cited order 10990, issued by JFK in 1962 and the titles of the superseding orders.

I'm not disputing that such stuff may exist, but based my findings after a brief research of the claims for the first EO, I'm skeptical of the accuracy of the article.

I'm leaving it to others to research the rest of the EOs to check the claims in the list.

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possibly they are gearing up for if this happens »rt.com/news/us-china-sea-war-556/