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09129800

join:2012-06-27
New York, NY

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What's the BANDWIDTH CAP like?

I'd rather have uncapped 5 Mbps than some piece of shit capped 300 Mbps connection. If Comcap applies their 300 GB bandwidth cap and overage charging scam to this tier then it will be a clear example of a polished turd.

At 300 Mbps speeds you can transfer over 95 terabytes of data in one month. So a 300 GB bandwidth cap on such a speed tier would be beyond ridiculous.

Can you imagine if you actually used this new speed tier to its full potential and Comcap applied their "$10 per 50 GB" bandwidth overage scam to you?

You'd be looking at almost $20,000 in overage fees in just one month. And if you maxed the upload speed as well you'd have a bill for over $25,000.

SCAM!

ArrayList
netbus developer
Premium
join:2005-03-19
Evanston, IL
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·Comcast

Re: What's the BANDWIDTH CAP like?

5% of the max usage is about 5 terabytes. That is well within reasonable use for that tier. There are still some that think usage does not increase with increased speed. But then again, those people also still have a davenport in the den and console tele.

JasonOD

@comcast.net
Look, do you want these higher speeds or not? When the time comes figure out your planned usage with your budget allowance for bandwidth. If Comcast's rates exceed your budget, look elsewhere or plan to reduce your usage.
JTR

join:2012-05-19
Carbondale, IL
Reviews:
·Mediacom

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said by 09129800:

I'd rather have uncapped 5 Mbps than some piece of shit capped 300 Mbps connection. If Comcap applies their 300 GB bandwidth cap and overage charging scam to this tier then it will be a clear example of a polished turd.

At 300 Mbps speeds you can transfer over 95 terabytes of data in one month. So a 300 GB bandwidth cap on such a speed tier would be beyond ridiculous.

Can you imagine if you actually used this new speed tier to its full potential and Comcap applied their "$10 per 50 GB" bandwidth overage scam to you?

You'd be looking at almost $20,000 in overage fees in just one month. And if you maxed the upload speed as well you'd have a bill for over $25,000.

SCAM!

Your irrational posts are beginning to bother me.

Speed != bandwidth. Just because you have a fast speed, doesn't mean you get a lot of bandwidth. I rent a server with a gigabit line, but I have a 1TB cap. Okay, bandwidth prices for me are dirt-cheap compared to a residential ISP ($9/TB, $59/10TB, and these are high compared to the prices from some providers), but I'm making a point here. "Unlimited" doesn't exist. I could run my line full throttle at 1Gbps 24/7, but then I'd have some pretty serious bandwidth charges to pay.

Remind me again, what legal use of a residential line uses 95TB per month? Remember, business lines for Comcast do exist, and have zero caps.

Now, I do agree that 300GB is a little ridiculous for this speed. However, have we confirmed that Comcast will have a 300GB cap for this speed, or is this just speculation based on their in-development caps? It's still not a scam.

ISPs aren't outfitted with the infrastructure to handle everyone going full throttle 24/7, they'd collapse under the load. Yes, 300GB is ridiculous. Unlimited is ridiculous in another way, because it's only offered because of a bet that everyone won't be going full throttle 24/7.

So, don't call this a scam. Comcast will mention the 300GB cap somewhere, you'll have to sign a document stating you agree to it. A scam would be where they don't mention the cap anywhere, but still enforce it.

If your bandwidth needs are so huge that 300GB won't do it for you, then you're in the minority of users, and should invest in a business connection. Otherwise, quit whining, or buy more bandwidth as you use it.
Os

join:2011-01-26
US

Re: What's the BANDWIDTH CAP like?

When Comcast puts it right under their speed tiers, as they do in Canada, then you have a point.

But they and every other capping ISP does their best to try and hide it away in the TOS/AUP and doesn't really disclose it.
JTR

join:2012-05-19
Carbondale, IL
Reviews:
·Mediacom

Re: What's the BANDWIDTH CAP like?

said by Os:

When Comcast puts it right under their speed tiers, as they do in Canada, then you have a point.

But they and every other capping ISP does their best to try and hide it away in the TOS/AUP and doesn't really disclose it.

It's your duty to read the TOS/AUP, like it or not. I do agree that not putting it out in the open is a shitty move, but it's still not an excuse.

(by the way, my ISP, Mediacom, clearly lists bandwidth caps on the order page under each plan - »mediacomcable.com/site/internet.html - they also list it again in a larger table lower on the page, and include detailed fine print on caps on the bottom of the page)

tshirt
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Snohomish, WA
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I agree it shouldn't be hidden. But cable (and telephony and MOST other services) plans are far to complex to fit on a single page flyer, or in a few bullet points on 1 webpage.
ALL consumer have a responsiblity to read, and understand the terms or ask questions about EXACTLY what they are buying. In the case of ComCast residential accounts it is month to month with a 30 day money back guaruntee, thats about as good a free trial is you'll find anywhere.
It also current has no cap, and I'm sure that ComCast will attempt to clearly and loudly disclose what the new cap is, once that is determined.

tshirt
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said by 09129800:

At 300 Mbps speeds you can transfer over 95 terabytes of data in one month. So a 300 GB bandwidth cap on such a speed tier would be beyond ridiculous.

We get it, you hate everyone and their inferior internet.
But have you ever NEEDED to download 95 TeraBytes in a month from your residential account?
Do you even have 95 TeraBytes of storage at home?
When you go out to a resturant do you ALWAYS consume ALL the condiments available on the table? (salt, pepper, sugar, tabaisco, ketchup, chili sauce, soy sauce, etc) after all you paid for them, you are ENTITLED to use them all.
Wilsdom

join:2009-08-06

Re: What's the BANDWIDTH CAP like?

Do you go to the restaurant and eat nothing, because that benefits the shareholders most? There is a middle ground, I'd say 1/3 or 30TB would be fair, though for a shitty company like Comcast you can't expect more than 10TB. Anything in the GBs is joke, and as the OP said, a SCAM.

tshirt
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join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
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Re: What's the BANDWIDTH CAP like?

then choose not to buy there until they do.
This resturant (comcast) offers a generous plate, but is not all-you-can eat. what is included is clearly listed and priced on the menu.

Whine to them not to us who wish to discuss a realistic scenrio which will be in the GB range.
JTR

join:2012-05-19
Carbondale, IL
Reviews:
·Mediacom
said by Wilsdom:

Do you go to the restaurant and eat nothing, because that benefits the shareholders most? There is a middle ground, I'd say 1/3 or 30TB would be fair, though for a shitty company like Comcast you can't expect more than 10TB. Anything in the GBs is joke, and as the OP said, a SCAM.

100mbps 24/7 is fair? Is this a joke?

09129800

join:2012-06-27
New York, NY

Re: What's the BANDWIDTH CAP like?

When it's $120 a month it damn sure is.

These American corporations have got you brainwashed good. It's still laughable that people continue to think bandwidth is some kind of finite resource like gasoline.

UNCAPPED, symmetrical 100 Mbps for under $50 USD a month is very common in Europe and Asia. Symmetrical 1 Gbps for $100 or less is also starting to pick up.

I'm not buying it, and Google is pulling the veil off of everyone's eyes with their fiber rollout too. Americans are finally starting to wake up to the fact that they are getting scammed when it comes to their Internet connectivity thanks to Google rolling out a proper service in their own backyard.

88615298
Premium
join:2004-07-28
West Tenness

Re: What's the BANDWIDTH CAP like?

said by 09129800:

When it's $120 a month it damn sure is.

These American corporations have got you brainwashed good. It's still laughable that people continue to think bandwidth is some kind of finite resource like gasoline.

UNCAPPED, symmetrical 100 Mbps for under $50 USD a month is very common in Europe and Asia. Symmetrical 1 Gbps for $100 or less is also starting to pick up.

I'm not buying it, and Google is pulling the veil off of everyone's eyes with their fiber rollout too. Americans are finally starting to wake up to the fact that they are getting scammed when it comes to their Internet connectivity thanks to Google rolling out a proper service in their own backyard.

Then move to Europe or Asia.

09129800

join:2012-06-27
New York, NY

Re: What's the BANDWIDTH CAP like?

What a very unpatriotic stance to take.

"This guy wants to improve our country? NOT IN MY 'MERRICA!! YOU CAN ACCEPT OUR SHITTY INFRASTRUCTURE OR GIIIIT OUT! WE DON'T NEED NONE OF THAT THERE FANCY FOREIGN INTERNETS"

88615298
Premium
join:2004-07-28
West Tenness

Re: What's the BANDWIDTH CAP like?

I didn't say that. The fact is you here whining on a messageboard isn't going to get EU or Asian style broadband here anytime soon. You know how the system works in the US. So my point is if you want those speeds and prices you have no choice but to move
JTR

join:2012-05-19
Carbondale, IL
Reviews:
·Mediacom

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said by 09129800:

When it's $120 a month it damn sure is.

These American corporations have got you brainwashed good. It's still laughable that people continue to think bandwidth is some kind of finite resource like gasoline.

UNCAPPED, symmetrical 100 Mbps for under $50 USD a month is very common in Europe and Asia. Symmetrical 1 Gbps for $100 or less is also starting to pick up.

I'm not buying it, and Google is pulling the veil off of everyone's eyes with their fiber rollout too. Americans are finally starting to wake up to the fact that they are getting scammed when it comes to their Internet connectivity thanks to Google rolling out a proper service in their own backyard.

I think you need some more experience before comparing the US's network to foreign countries. Want to know why those countries have gigabit/100mbps for ridiculously low prices? It's because the ISP is essentially a country-wide LAN. Connections to the outside internet are horribly slow. I've seen countless posts by people from those countries (Korea, Japan, etc) with "gigabit" lines, who have said the same thing - foreign connections are a tiny fraction of their advertised speed. This is an even bigger issue because most of the world's server are located in the United States and the EU.

Ah yeah, and there's the whole deal with those cheap fiber speeds being only available in the big cities (good luck if you're in a rural area!), and of course the fact that those countries have a small land mass and government-subsidised infrastructure buildout.

Calling me brainwashed? This just shows the depth of your ignorance.

Google's pulling the veil off of everyone's eyes? Ah yes, it's totally not a PR move and a money-looser, which is only sustainable by selling all their subscriber data. What they're doing is possibly illegal. Selling a service below market cost is unsustainable and anti-competitive behavior.
Wilsdom

join:2009-08-06

Re: What's the BANDWIDTH CAP like?

Ha, can't ever accuse Comcast of being anti-competitive, because they don't compete. They sit on their fat monopoly just steal
JTR

join:2012-05-19
Carbondale, IL
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Re: What's the BANDWIDTH CAP like?

said by Wilsdom:

Ha, can't ever accuse Comcast of being anti-competitive, because they don't compete. They sit on their fat monopoly just steal

Comcast is competing with FiOS. Want to talk about non-competing behavior? Try looking at Frontier.

09129800

join:2012-06-27
New York, NY
said by JTR:

I think you need some more experience before comparing the US's network to foreign countries. Want to know why those countries have gigabit/100mbps for ridiculously low prices? It's because the ISP is essentially a country-wide LAN. Connections to the outside internet are horribly slow. I've seen countless posts by people from those countries (Korea, Japan, etc) with "gigabit" lines, who have said the same thing - foreign connections are a tiny fraction of their advertised speed. This is an even bigger issue because most of the world's server are located in the United States and the EU.

Then why is it that South Korean and Swedish seeders are always able to max out my 150 Mbps download if their connections outside of their countries are so awful?

You are so full of shit it's not even funny.

tshirt
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join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
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Re: What's the BANDWIDTH CAP like?

Awesome reason for everyone else to spend billions on broadband improvements, so YOU cansteal misapproriate the IP of others even faster. (sorry, was it 45 TB of "linux distros" again?)
Why do you have a pathetic 150Mbps line anyway? be a man and pay for a dedicated fiber line! You unamerican bastard!

LightS
Premium
join:2005-12-17
Greenville, TX

Re: What's the BANDWIDTH CAP like?

What does it matter what he uses his connection for?

Stop looking at short term, and look at long term. Some people (obviously not you) actually look forward to the best route to provide for the future.

tshirt
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join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
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Re: What's the BANDWIDTH CAP like?

That's exactly the point! People who steal rather then pay, or jump back and forth to find the lowest price of the moment, don't encourage the long term investment need to build the needed infrustructure.
Quite the opposite, investors NEED to target a long term, stable customer base BEFORE they invest in even the best product.
and the people here that profess the desire for higher speeds are frequently the same one saying they'll jump to something else in a instant, because even the best available sucks, cost too much, resticts them somehow.

I see no reason to invest in theives, whiners, and deadbeats.
maybe you do
sonicmerlin

join:2009-05-24
Cleveland, OH
kudos:1

Re: What's the BANDWIDTH CAP like?

said by tshirt:

That's exactly the point! People who steal rather then pay, or jump back and forth to find the lowest price of the moment, don't encourage the long term investment need to build the needed infrustructure.
Quite the opposite, investors NEED to target a long term, stable customer base BEFORE they invest in even the best product.
and the people here that profess the desire for higher speeds are frequently the same one saying they'll jump to something else in a instant, because even the best available sucks, cost too much, resticts them somehow.

I see no reason to invest in theives, whiners, and deadbeats.
maybe you do

So what you're saying is customers who switch back and forth between competitors are thieves, and it's a bad thing when corporations compete on price in a competitive market.

So the decade+ years of duopoly profits telcos have enjoyed are still not enough to invest in long-term projects? Or is Verizon and AT&T abandoning copper and refusing to roll out fiber a "long-term" project?

Are you serious?

tshirt
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join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
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Re: What's the BANDWIDTH CAP like?

That's not what I said.
I said they need to see stablity going forward, previous years profits don't nessesarily pay for new investments with new longterm payoff windows.
Some people here have complain over the last few years that copper has reach end of life and should die, now the big bells agree, but don't see a pay off in replacing it with fiber.
So you will get your wish, the DUOPOLY will abandon local wireline and hundreds of little competitors will pick up the pieces and compete...or not.
The term Redlining doesn't begin to cover what will really happen, many will fight over the best medium density and growing areas, rural areas (which is still the vast majority of area, even if it's not population wise) will suffer greatly OR be even more HIGHLY subsidized be USF type programs.

One of the links in an article Karl posted last week lead to another (the actual, twice extrapolated conclusions were somewhat different )where FCC personal admitted that universal broadband could NOT happen as the cost per home for a fair number of rural homes for FTTH could reach $50,000.
even at $5000 it would be unaffordable to many and an unlikely investment target for any telco.
JTR

join:2012-05-19
Carbondale, IL
Reviews:
·Mediacom
said by 09129800:

said by JTR:

I think you need some more experience before comparing the US's network to foreign countries. Want to know why those countries have gigabit/100mbps for ridiculously low prices? It's because the ISP is essentially a country-wide LAN. Connections to the outside internet are horribly slow. I've seen countless posts by people from those countries (Korea, Japan, etc) with "gigabit" lines, who have said the same thing - foreign connections are a tiny fraction of their advertised speed. This is an even bigger issue because most of the world's server are located in the United States and the EU.

Then why is it that South Korean and Swedish seeders are always able to max out my 150 Mbps download if their connections outside of their countries are so awful?

You are so full of shit it's not even funny.

((citation needed))

LightS
Premium
join:2005-12-17
Greenville, TX

Re: What's the BANDWIDTH CAP like?

I would love to see your "citation" regarding entire countries not being able to pull their speeds. Show me a citation that shows that large percentage of users do not pull anywhere close to their advertised speeds. Please.

LightS
Premium
join:2005-12-17
Greenville, TX
You are so full of shit.
Country-wide LAN my ass. Foreign fiber connections can pull gigabit speeds from outside the country.

Don't spew garbage you know nothing about. Cheap fiber speeds when it's available in the big city, when the majority of the population lives in urban areas, is perfectly fine. Of course when you live in a rural area you are not going to have the same options/prices as you do in the city. That's a moot point, so don't even bring it up as it wasn't even mentioned here.
JTR

join:2012-05-19
Carbondale, IL
Reviews:
·Mediacom

Re: What's the BANDWIDTH CAP like?

said by LightS:

You are so full of shit.
Country-wide LAN my ass. Foreign fiber connections can pull gigabit speeds from outside the country.

Don't spew garbage you know nothing about. Cheap fiber speeds when it's available in the big city, when the majority of the population lives in urban areas, is perfectly fine. Of course when you live in a rural area you are not going to have the same options/prices as you do in the city. That's a moot point, so don't even bring it up as it wasn't even mentioned here.

»About super speeds

»www.reddit.com/r/technology/comm···/c5sfc3i

I found an entire forum thread discussing it a few weeks ago, but some quick Googling failed to turn up anything, and I never bookmarked it. I've seen a lot of people saying that international connections are painfully slow, people located in places like Korea, Japan, Asia, etc.
Wilsdom

join:2009-08-06
Don't see why it wouldn't be, unless hard numbers on what Comcast pays to its suppliers for that kind of bandwidth makes it unaffordable for $120. "It sounds like a lot" is no argument, 1KB/s sounded like a lot at one point too. Rationing for no reason like an anorexic is sick, as is Stockholm Syndrome acceptance of price gouging.

tshirt
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join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
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Reviews:
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Re: What's the BANDWIDTH CAP like?

said by Wilsdom:

...unless hard numbers on what Comcast pays to its suppliers for that kind of bandwidth makes it unaffordable for $120.

Knowing what ComCast pays is irrelevent to how affordable it is or not.
Either you have $120 to spend for what you recieve or you do not.

88615298
Premium
join:2004-07-28
West Tenness
said by 09129800:

I'd rather have uncapped 5 Mbps than some piece of shit capped 300 Mbps connection. If Comcap applies their 300 GB bandwidth cap and overage charging scam to this tier then it will be a clear example of a polished turd.

At 300 Mbps speeds you can transfer over 95 terabytes of data in one month. So a 300 GB bandwidth cap on such a speed tier would be beyond ridiculous.

Can you imagine if you actually used this new speed tier to its full potential and Comcap applied their "$10 per 50 GB" bandwidth overage scam to you?

You'd be looking at almost $20,000 in overage fees in just one month. And if you maxed the upload speed as well you'd have a bill for over $25,000.

SCAM!

No one is going to transfer 95 TB a month. Every movie that has been released on blu-ray combined doesn't equal 95 TB.

aaronwt
Premium
join:2004-11-07
Woodbridge, VA

Re: What's the BANDWIDTH CAP like?

said by 88615298:

said by 09129800:

I'd rather have uncapped 5 Mbps than some piece of shit capped 300 Mbps connection. If Comcap applies their 300 GB bandwidth cap and overage charging scam to this tier then it will be a clear example of a polished turd.

At 300 Mbps speeds you can transfer over 95 terabytes of data in one month. So a 300 GB bandwidth cap on such a speed tier would be beyond ridiculous.

Can you imagine if you actually used this new speed tier to its full potential and Comcap applied their "$10 per 50 GB" bandwidth overage scam to you?

You'd be looking at almost $20,000 in overage fees in just one month. And if you maxed the upload speed as well you'd have a bill for over $25,000.

SCAM!

No one is going to transfer 95 TB a month. Every movie that has been released on blu-ray combined doesn't equal 95 TB.

it should be past 95 TB for the thousands of BD releases. The average BD size is over 31 GB.

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Os

join:2011-01-26
US
And as things become more bandwidth-intensive, as they are, video streaming will be of higher resolutions, etc., and as always, files grow in size.

It's one thing to argue that 95TB of usage is ridiculous. It is. But it's another to act like 300GB is ridiculous. That is less than 1% of that.

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